User talk:Iry-Hor/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Archive 3

Archive 4

Archive 5

Request II.

Hi! Hey, hey hey!^^ Who´s busy as a bee!^^ But one thing bothers me: shouldn´t the serekh name of all kings from dynasty 0 to dynasty 4 be placed on top of the box? I´m just saying, cuz these kings are known in egyptology by their serekh names in the first way. Best regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 21:18, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Well pharaohs are sometimes also known through their throne name. Anyway, the presentation of the names in this order is a standard practise in egyptology. The order is : Prenomen, Nome, Horus Name, Nebty Name, Golden Name. I believe egyptologists chose to do so based on the order of the names found in complete inscriptions, where pharaoh's names are given in this order. So, ancient egyptians choose it this way, though I don't know why. Iry-Hor (talk) 21:24, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Ancient Egyptians of early times were of the believe, that their kings were born and crowned by Horus, raised and protected by Seth and being the terrestrial herolds of the pantheon. From the Old Kingdom onward (especially from King Radjedef onward) they thought that the kings were born by Ra, crowned by Horus and protected by Seth. And that the kings were deityfied incarnations of the pantheon (we can see some kind of "level up" here ;-)). This is layed out in their name and title sequence: Serekh name → throne name → nebty name → gold name (the last one was in early times seldom used, most possibly it was some kinda "title of immortality", awarded when a king had reached a special length of reign). Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 21:35, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the info ! Iry-Hor (talk) 21:44, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

No problem. The Palermo Stone and many contemporary artefacts reveals the phenomenon of the gold name: while the kings Djer, Den, Nynetjer, possibly Peribsen, Khasekhemwy, Djoser and Khaba are well known by their gold names, other kings (such as Anedjib, Raneb and Sanakht for example) seem to not have had any gold title. It might point out that their rulership did not last long enough to make these kings deserve a golden title. The gold names of the mentioned kings above are: Ni-nub → Iaret-nub → Ren-nub → ? → Nub-chet-sen → Ra-nub → Netjer-nub. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 22:03, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

But Raneb had a reign of a least 10 years, more than Khaba ?! Could it be simply that we have not discovered their golden names yet ? Iry-Hor (talk) 22:09, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

The reign of Khaba is in fact unknown. Some Egyptologists identify him with king Huni, who, at least, ruled for over 26 years, whilst the duration of the reigns of Sanakht for example lasted for only 19 years, should he be identical to Nebka. The archaeological evidences are of no great help. To make you understand that problem I give you the case of king Sekhemkhet. He owned two impressive rock reliefs at Sinai, despite his rulership lasted only around 7 - 9 years. Therefore artifacts such as rock inscriptions, reliefs and/or seal inscriptions do not really help finding out the correct length of reign.

But back to the gold name. Should it be true, that the gold name was given to a king after a special length of reign, we must ask ourself, how many years it had to be? 20? 22? Or even 30? Fact is, that the gold name of early kings (up to king Snefru) only appear in connection with impressive durations of rulerships. A enlighting hint is the memento of king Semerkhet on the Palermo Stone: His full title bandarole is listed there, but no gold name. And he ruled relatively short (8 years only). But his predecessor Djer has a gold name and that king ruled for 54(!) years.

As you see, it´s not easy to find a pleasing explanation. In addition, we should wonder, how it comes that some kings (such as Den, Nynetjer and Khasekhemwy) litterally flirt with their gold names so that you can find them easily on contemporary artifacts, and other kings don´t. ;-) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 22:35, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Fascinating, I did not know the goldname could be related to the reign length. If so, it would be crucial in estimating the length of reigns of badly known kings. Like the hebsed I guess. Do you know of any reference where this issue is discussed ? Iry-Hor (talk) 07:52, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

The thematic of the titles can be read in books from Toby A. Wilkinson, Wolfgang Helck and Steven Quirke. They explain the function and developement of the gold name. The thoughts about a possible connection to the length of a reign are that of mine. The mentioned egyptologists point to the missing of Semerkhet's gold name and that some early kings also seem to miss their gold names. I can study my books closer, if you like and give you texts from them. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 16:30, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Wilkinson writes, that the early Egyptians thought that the bodies of the celestial gods were made of gold, so they bedighted the king with the gold name, since the kings were thought to be born by Horus and -in some manners- the sun (but let´s be careful! the sun wasn´t a independent deity before the time of king Djoser and Khaba!). And because gold never tarnishes, it was also thought to be some sign of eternity. Quirke and Helck point out, that the yellowish shimmering of gold might have reminded the Egyptian to the glow of the sun. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 16:54, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Wilkinson and Schäfer point out, that many festivals, such as the Hebsed (a rejuvenation feast that was celebrated the first time after 30 years, after that every third year), were celebrated only after a very long time of reign. So, the Hebsed is actually one of the less clues to reconstruct the length of a rulership. Unfortunately, some kings had the habit to confiscate Hebsed-vessels and -reliefs which once belonged to predecessors. In earlier times Egyptologists often gave wrong numbers for some kings because of this. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 20:55, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for all of this ! Iry-Hor (talk) 21:17, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Meanwhile I watched your great work with the new box. Super! Would you mind to do the Khufu as next? I could continue my work for an candidate then. Best regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 21:21, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks ! Ok I will work on the Khufu box then the one of Khafra. Also I noticed that the article on Djedefre had two sections titled "Family" and talking about the same stuff... If, at some point, you feel like working on Djedefre, don't hesitate ! Iry-Hor (talk) 21:24, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

By the way, did you know this head : Cheops head ?? Is it really Khufu ? I always thought the small seated statue was the only surviving representation of him. Iry-Hor (talk) 21:32, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Actually there are many heads and statue fragments which are thought to be possible remains of Khufu-portraits. I wrote a lot within the article about that. ;-) Regards; --Nephiliskos (talk) 21:35, 13 November 2012 (UTC) Btw: I edited Djedefre.

Meep? --Nephiliskos (talk) 20:55, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

I am having troubles finding the translation of Medjedu in Khufu's titulary. I don't know this word. Do you know where I could find it ? Also, if you feel like doing of your drawings, what about the ivory comb of djet (see google image) ? Iry-Hor (talk) 21:04, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Oh, excuse me - I started worrying when I received no reply. ;o) The ivory comb of Djet? Isn´t there a pic at commons...? If not, don´t worry, I gonna draw it then. ;-) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 21:18, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks about Djedefre !! No I did not find this beautiful object on commons. Iry-Hor (talk) 21:38, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Hmmmm... well, then: I shall draw this artifact and present it to Wikipedia!^^ --Nephiliskos (talk) 21:47, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Khufu´s Horus name is: Medjed-u (sometimes with the u-chick, sometimes without), meaning litterally "I crush (the enemies) for/of Horus" (see Michael Haase) or, alternatively, "He who strikes (the enemies) of/for Horus" (see I. E. S. Edwards). Many Egyptologists admonish us to keep in mind that the translation of this name is totally conjectural. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 22:19, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I will write that down tomorrow ! For the moment I need a good sleeeeeep.... Iry-Hor (talk) 22:23, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Hmmmmm... how strange... my browsers do not show the "hide" option in the boxes anymore... and the usual toolbar is gone. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 22:51, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Actually it happened to me two days ago as well. I think it is a wiki bug. It went away as it came, and now everything is back to normal. I have no idea why this happened. Iry-Hor (talk) 09:03, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Ah, thx. Then I´m not alone with that.^^ I thought my computer was bitching around again and I turned its systems upside-down, but found nothing. :D Yes, sometimes the Wiki-servers are a bit nutty, too.^^ Your working on the boxes is fantastic. Really good, indeed. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 10:12, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Besides: I edited Khufu´s infobox a little and replaced the website (reference #4) by Thomas Schneider: Lexikon der Pharaonen. Albatros, Düsseldorf 2002, ISBN 3-491-96053-3, S. 100–102.. Hope, that is ok. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 13:04, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

No problem this is a better reference ! Iry-Hor (talk) 14:08, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Double Falcon

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 07:43, 29 November 2012 (UTC) 08:03, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Khafra

I tried myself. ;-) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 00:57, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Great ! I will add a few titles from the german and french wikis if you don't mind. Iry-Hor (talk) 18:45, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi there. We shall keep our eyes peeled on Khufu. Some IP.s are fiddling around there. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 23:29, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Wow you're right, I don't why but the Khufu page is consistently vandalized. I will check regularly that nothing weird happened to it. Iry-Hor (talk) 10:06, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

(*smiling*) In de.Wikipedia we also have to keep our eyes peeled to Khufu, but yet more to his tomb, the Khufu-pyramid. ;) Always a honeypot for those who deny archaeological reports and facts...^^ regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 11:16, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Did you know? Diodor and Herodotus were not the only roman historians riddiculing Khufu and his pyramid. I added some interesting stuff to the section "Evaluations of the traditions". ;-) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 15:56, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Umm... you ok? --Nephiliskos (talk) 14:52, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I am moving home these days so I am not so often on wikipedia. I read the Khufu article and it's great ! I think you should nominate it for "good article" status Iry-Hor (talk) 20:08, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Khufu figurine

Hi. Did you notice this one? I wrote it some time ago and won a "worth-to-read" award. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 16:27, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Welcome back!^^ --Nephiliskos (talk) 19:40, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks ! I just got my internet connection working and I am already on the look out for things to do. Iry-Hor (talk) 20:08, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Meanwhile I enriched Khufu a little and wait for your evaluations of Khufu and the figurine article. --Nephiliskos (talk) 20:14, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Ok I will read the section, if I have suggestions I will write them there. Iry-Hor (talk) 20:17, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Where can I see the statue of the lion goddess with Khufu as a child ????! I want to see Khufu with my eyes! If there is a photo of the statue on the web, it could be good to put a link to the photo in the references of the article. Iry-Hor (talk) 20:28, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Believe me, I always wanted to see it, too. ;) I can try to consult the source, but I somehow doubt, that we gonna get a picture. In extremo I gonna paint the pics as I did with Djoser. ;) --Nephiliskos (talk) 20:32, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

We can simply put a link to the photo in the references. The photo won't be on wikipedia and would not be hosted by wikicommons, but rather by the website on which the photo is. Iry-Hor (talk) 20:42, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

JACKPOT!!! --Nephiliskos (talk) 20:42, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Well that's a nice reference to pu tin the article. Is Khufu the little pharaoh on the left of the photo (right of the goddess foot) ? Iry-Hor (talk) 20:52, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

I have put it in the article. After studying the photograph I´d say it´s the one left to her feet (from the godess´ view, the one whose mere feet are preserved). This figurine is clearly in one line with the back hold of the lion goddess. The figurine right to her feet (the completely preserved one) is visibly at distance from her. That shall be Pepy I.. --Nephiliskos (talk) 21:01, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot

SuggestBot predicts that you will enjoy editing some of these articles. Have fun!

Stubs Neheb Tiy-Merenese Mastabet el-Fara'un Yaqub-Har Semenre Bebiankh Sekhemre Shedwast Nectanebo I Khayu Neferhotep III Tenth Dynasty of Egypt Pyramid of Unas Sheshonk III

Cleanup Atenism List of ancient Egyptian statuary with amulet necklaces Merge Ramesses III Ghosts in ancient Egyptian culture Add Sources Naqada III Fifth Dynasty of Egypt Wikify Royal Women Titulary in Ancient Egypt Expand Ancient Egypt in the Western imagination Hieratic

SuggestBot picks articles in a number of ways based on other articles you've edited, including straight text similarity, following wikilinks, and matching your editing patterns against those of other Wikipedians. It tries to recommend only articles that other Wikipedians have marked as needing work. Your contributions make Wikipedia better — thanks for helping.

If you have feedback on how to make SuggestBot better, please tell me on SuggestBot's talk page. Thanks from Nettrom (talk), SuggestBot's caretaker. -- SuggestBot (talk) 20:13, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Sahure's pyramid complex

Sorry, I never uploaded any old drawings or images by Borchardt. If anyone did this, it may have been Tedmek. I don't scan old books from my University. I just upload photographs. Best Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 00:27, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Alright, thank you ! I will to get these beautiful pictures back on wikipedia. Iry-Hor (talk) 10:03, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Khufu

I´m starting to think that we should ask some admin for semi-protection. The number of vandalism increases... Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 00:25, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Snow White

I edited this fairy tale article using my precious fairy tale book that contains the original versions. What do you think? ;) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 02:31, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Wow its the first time I read this ending! When my parents told me the story the queen does not die dancing! That's a great end for adults anyway. Iry-Hor (talk) 07:24, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Lol, most of the Grimm-tales end up not so good... ;D the problem is, that most peoples of nowaday know only the sappy and overly tacky Disney-versions. The original versions are mostly unknown! About the end of the Snow White queen: that bitch got what it deserved... ;P regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 12:01, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Festive Greetings

Hi. I wish you and your familiy a blessful christmas feast. Joy! Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 11:26, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks man, I wish it to you too ! And also I hope next years will be full of wikipedia ! Iry-Hor (talk) 13:52, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK promotions

Iry-Hor, I'm not sure how aware you are of DYK rules, but one of the stronger ones is that a person should not both approve and promote a hook. I'm very glad to see you reviewing hooks, but you should not also be promoting them to a prep area. The reason we have different people reviewing and promoting is to maintain extra layers of checking in the process. If you have any questions, feel free to let me know. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:09, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

I am really sorry, I thought I had to promote after reviewing. It was my first review, I apologize for the mistake. Iry-Hor (talk) 16:18, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

That's quite all right. I just wanted to be sure you knew how DYK was supposed to work, and knew why your promotion had to be undone. I imagine someone will be promoting that hook in the next couple of days. Thanks again for contributing! BlueMoonset (talk) 14:14, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

..

Seasons greetings to you and yours
Dougweller (talk) 14:19, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Request

Hi. Could you take a look here? I wonder if it's somehow possible to replace the horus bird by the seth animal? Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 21:56, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Done !! Iry-Hor (talk) 10:30, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! I replaced the pharao box at the article of Peribsen now!^^ Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 13:11, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Wow ! The drawing is cool ! And the article is great too, I had not read it since quite a while. Iry-Hor (talk) 21:36, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Meanwhile I expanded the article in the section "religious motivations". It might be a surprise to you. ;-) But I also want to ask you, if you could take a look to my grammar. My horrible, horrible grammar...^^ Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 00:19, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

I corrected a few typos and grammar problems but overall it was pretty good. Iry-Hor (talk) 14:09, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Horus Sa

Please revisit {{Did you know nominations/Horus Sa}} and address the issues that I've raised with the sourcing. Nyttend (talk) 00:31, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your review, I have responded accordingly. I hope this answers the issues you raised. Iry-Hor (talk) 11:11, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Hy there, I wrote something at the discussion page. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 18:52, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

I agree with what you wrote and i removed references to F. Raffaele's article from the article. Iry-Hor (talk) 19:27, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Isn't Horus Za just another name for Horus Wneg, as described HERE? --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 21:39, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

No it is only an hypothesis and this hypothesis is in conflict with identifying Weneg with Raneb as J. Kahl does or with Wersakhnum as does Kaplony. These hypotheses are discussed and referenced in the article. Also note that the website you cite is precisely the one debated in the review of the article and I had to remove references to it as F. Raffaele is not a professional egyptologist. Iry-Hor (talk) 22:31, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Talkback at the DYK nomination. Nyttend (talk) 19:09, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Inykhnum

Hi there!^^ In German Wiki we have an small article about Inykhnum: Inichnum. ;-) Interesting fact: Not only Inykhnum worked for a Ka-House of Horus Za, there was a priest named Ma'a-aper(y)-Min (or Min-ma'a-apery), who also served the Ka-House of Za... ;-)) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 15:46, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

I also expanded the article of Za a little, using a very good source. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 17:42, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

This is great but how do we know that Inykhnum lived during or worked for Sekhemib as well ? Iry-Hor (talk) 20:38, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

I´m still studying. It's not easy to understand, who says what. I'm still "unknotting" the whole "yarn"... -.- Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 20:57, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Meanwhile I wrote an article about Inykhnum: Here. Before I release it, I please you to read over it and help me with grammar and spellings. It would be a great help to me. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 22:50, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

I am not sure about the meaning of iry-pat. Doesn't that mean hereditary prince, a title held by the first in line during the 18th dynasty (e.g. Horemheb held the title) or has the meaning changed over time, so that during the 2nd dynasty it only meant member of the elite ? Iry-Hor (talk) 12:02, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

No! Stop!^^ The spelling and informative-symbolic meaning of those titles differed MASSIVELY from Early Period and New Kingdom! For early dynastic titles please read Toby Wilkinson, Wolfgang Helck, L. D. Morenz and D. Jones. It is correct, that many titles were exclusively reseved for princes and princesses, only directly to the king related family members were allowed to come close to the ruler. This permission was granted by the titles. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 16:57, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

No problem, I did not change that, I only checked the grammar and phrasing.

I know, I know.^^ Thank you for your great work! Behold!!! ;) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 17:05, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

I wrote a new hook at the DYK-template. ;) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 01:02, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Nice ! I hope it goes through ! Iry-Hor (talk) 12:04, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Horus Sa

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:03, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Peribsen

Hi. I have expanded the article again and want to ask you, if you like to present it at the good-article-nomination site together with me. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 09:29, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello, it would be great ! Do you want me to nominate the article ? (I do not know how two people can nominate one article, tell me how to do it if you know). Today I went to the Louvre Museum where I saw a few amazing pieces. I just uploaded a photo to the article which I took today, it is a Mehen game board from Peribsen's tomb at Abydos. I hope to upload more amazing pieces in the next few days if my photos are good enough (like a clay seal of Sekhemib). Iry-Hor (talk) 21:24, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Oh my god, you were at the Louvre!? Iry, look after the stela of Qahedjet!!! And for as many dynasty 1-3 objects as possible! About your photo: Wowie!^^ A bit bright, but pretty good! cool! Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 21:42, 31 December 2012 (UTC) PS: New articles like that of Peribsen are placed here: good article nomination.

I did not see the stele of Qahedjet, I suspect it was not on display as I spend the whole day in the egyptian section and did not see it. I just uploaded a nice clay seal from the great pyramid of Gizah bearing the name of Khufu, see here. Feel free to add it to the article on Khufu if you wish. Please forgive the quality of the pictures: I took them with my phone, the flash was forbidden, the light was quite dim in the rooms and on my computer I only know how to increase the contrast. Iry-Hor (talk) 22:20, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Oh, dear, you mustn't excuse! The pics are just great! Meanwhile I expanded the section "tomb" in Peribsen, like to review it? ;) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 22:43, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

DEAR IRY-HOR!!! RIGHT THIS MOMENT GERMANY WELCOMES 2013!!!! HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!--Nephiliskos (talk) 23:02, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Happy new year !!!!! Iry-Hor (talk) 23:41, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Two new serekhs of king Semerkhet here and there Iry-Hor (talk) 00:05, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Cool! I responded at my discussion page. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 19:38, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

These were the last minor edits, I think. Now, look at that article and tell me what you think. ;-) Just a little expansion of the introduction and it would be perfect!^^ Believe me, Iry-Hor, beside the German version this one is the ultimate collection of scientific proofed informations about king Peribsen! And thank you for correcting my typos and grammars! Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 06:31, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Oh my god, these fotos are THE ring-a-dong!!!! WOW!!!! The Peribsen-vessel shows the addendum "Tribute of the people of Sethroe". The Semerkhet-vessel says "Nisut-bitj Iry visits the house-of-the-pleased-king, oil jars for it". Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 14:26, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Man you're good at reading these things !!!! Also check out the article of Hotepsekhemwy, I added a photo... Iry-Hor (talk) 14:27, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Ooohhhh... you didn't load it up on commons.... -.-' I wanted to add that cool pic at our Wiki, too... Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 14:33, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

In fact I did but there has been a very very strange problem going on. The file has the same name as another file and therefore never shows up when called in wikipedia. Here is the file on commons, but let me tell you, you won't be able to use it because of the bug. (You can download it and reupload it on the German wiki). Also here is a reproduction of the inscription on Hotepsekhemwy's vase. And here is a vase of Djer. Iry-Hor (talk) 14:36, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

A possibility would be upload it anew under a new name. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 14:48, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Nah I tried but there is a detector for multi upload and it says a duplicate of the file already exists.... Iry-Hor (talk) 14:53, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Why don't you ask User:GDK in de.Wiki? ;-) He always knows what to do. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 14:59, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

And Khasekhemwy Iry-Hor (talk) 15:12, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Awsome! Besides: the Peribsen vase also shows the notation "Seti, scribe of the deserts/mountains" (below the serekh). Looks like Seti was responsible for the transport of those vessels. If we can read "mountains", it would imply that the vase was incised at Elephantine and destinated to be stored in Peribsen's tomb. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 15:22, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

This is amazing, this will be a great addition to the article on Peribsen. Could you put up the picture in the article and explain what the inscription says in the caption ? In the mean time, here is a vase of Sekhemib. The inscription was not readable (badly scratched) so I put up the reproduction of the inscription on the right. Iry-Hor (talk) 15:24, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

I will. ;-) The Sekhemib-inscription says:

• Left side: "The priest of Cherty offers at the house-of-copper."
• Right side: "King of Upper- and Lower Egypt, Sekhemib-Perenmaat."

This is awesome, Cherty (god of the shepherds) is extremely seldomly mentioned! Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 15:30, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Man your are really good at reading these inscriptions ! I know some Middle Egyptian and it is quite different from this. As for the inscription of Sekhemib, the inscription itself was sadly unreadable with the naked eye. Iry-Hor (talk) 15:32, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Here:

Inscription of the Sekhemib vase in hieroglyphs
King Sekhemib-Perenmaat
The priest of 'Cherty' offers at the house-of-copper

Hehehe... ;)) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 15:44, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Here is a vase of Hemaka, earliest known vizier of Egypt, reign of Den. You sure that it is the House of Copper ? Cause this writing is also use for a voice offering, at least in middle egyptian, in particular on Middle Kingdom coffins. Iry-Hor (talk) 15:46, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

I gonna draw you a list of houses that were most important at this time and send it as a png or pdf to your e-mail address, ok? Might be interesting for you. Just to show you that this kinda writing was usual for simple houses. ;-) --Nephiliskos (talk) 15:50, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes sounds good!!! Do you have my email address ? Iry-Hor (talk) 15:56, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Did you ever write me an e-mail? :D Gonna do it via Wikipedia.--Nephiliskos (talk) 15:58, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

How do you do that ? Iry-Hor (talk) 16:03, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Simple: just click on my home page, then search for the option "e-mail this user" at the most left toolbox. Click on it and you can write a head line in the small window and the main mail in the bigger window below. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 16:20, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Mail informer

Hey, hey, heyy!^^ Congrats, your mail has arrived! You are the first user from en.Wikipedia sending me a mail! Please note that it gonna take some days to compile the list. With best wishes;--Nephiliskos (talk) 16:32, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Great ! I am looking forward to read the email ! Iry-Hor (talk) 16:47, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Meanwhile I studied the title "scribe of the deserts/foreign lands". Hmmm, interesting: Morenz, Schulz and Wilkinson say that this title describes a royal inspector and scribe responsible for any delivery from asian border provinces - stuff that came from asia (i.e. from Sinai and the Red Sea) got sealed and inscribed at Elephantine and was then delivered to the royal palace at Naqada and Thinis. Looks like Peribsen liked asian food. :D Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 15:22, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

New article!

Hi. I wrote Mortuary cult using good sources. Your thoughts? Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 19:51, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Looks good but I think the correct English term is funerary cult. I am working on Peribsen now, I will tell you soon about something I think should be modified in the article. Iry-Hor (talk) 20:14, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Ok, tell me if you need me. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 20:21, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Sure I will tell you what I think we should do tomorrow (I wanted to do it tonight but have not time). Good night ! Iry-Hor (talk) 22:16, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Yay, I finished the graphics for you!^^ Three files (png-files), the first page begins with a short explanation, the third page is still incomplete, because it´s really hard to find closer informations. I hope you enjoy - I am SO curious about your respond! Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 15:54, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

What what ?? What graphics ?? where ? About Peribsen, I don't understand the 3rd paragraph of the section Main Burial. How come New Kingdom artifacts indicate that "during the Middle Kingdom, Peribsen's tomb was restored at least twice together with the tomb of Djer, which was thought to be that of Osiris, and the many other royal burials at Abydos" ? This is not clear in the article and even confusing. Could you explain it to me ? Also the section Rulers of Lower and Upper Egypt and most of the section Reign are not really about Peribsen but rather about the situation during the second half of the second dynasty. Therefore I propose to briefly summarize these sections, focusing on Peribsen's time on the throne while moving them verbatim to the article on the Second Dynasty of Egypt which lacks such explanations. Iry-Hor (talk) 20:31, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Amazing files ! Who is Sethka ? Never heard of him. Iry-Hor (talk) 20:51, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Lol... Hope you enjoy my lists.^^ Set(h)ka was in fact the crown prince of king Khufu. Some Egyptologists believe, that the unfinished Baka-pyramid was once planned as a tomb for Setka and that he actually ruled for some month and then died suddenly. See the article Bikheris. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 20:57, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I might remind you, that the line of Sethka is a reconstruction of mine. Aidan Dodson and others believe of Sethka, and I personally could imagine that this guy actually ruled an extremely short while. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 21:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Right of course that sounds plausible after all I sometimes forget that we are about 4600 years removed from this period and a very short reigning ruler would necessarily be shadowy to us. Iry-Hor (talk) 21:06, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I found out something interesting: there was a ceremony called "surrounding of the walls of the two lands", which was celebrated as some kinda "final ceremony" at the end of the coronation year. This event legitimized a pharaoh to be the king. But what if a king died before he could participate that feast??? He would have ruled, but he never got blessed by Horus and Seth! I think such a phenomena might have struck several kings in Early Egypt and the Old Kingdom. This might also also explain the confusing sum of obscure pharaoh names no one can assign correctly: Because these kings never recieved he holy blessing, they were not allowed to be mentioned in later royal ancestor lists! Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 21:17, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I can image these poor guys: they actually accessed to the most awesome position possible: being a pharaoh of ancient Egypt, and died before being recognized as such ! It would be interesting to mention this somewhere on wiki. Do you have a reference ? Also is there enough known material to produce an article on pharaohs ceremonies of accession to the throne ? Iry-Hor (talk) 21:23, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

What about this: I will plunder my sources for literatur, you'll receive the english one, I gonna study the german one. Short list will follow. ;-) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 08:13, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Okay, here some literature:

German

• Winfried Barta: Thronbesteigung und Krönungsfeier als unterschiedliche Zeugnisse königlicher Herrschaftsübernahme. In: Studien zur altägyptischen Kultur (SAK). 8, 1980, ISSN 0340-2215, p. 33–53.
• Siegfried Schott: Altägyptische Festdaten (= Akademie der Wissenschaften und der Literatur. Abhandlungen der Geistes- und Sozialwissenschaftlichen Klasse. Bd. 10, 1950, ISSN 0002-2977). Verlag der Akademie der Wissenschaften und der Literatur, Mainz u. a. 1950.
• Silke Roth: Die Königsmütter des Alten Ägypten von der Frühzeit bis zum Ende der 12. Dynastie. Harrassowitz, Wiesbaden 2001, ISBN 3447043687.
• Rolf Gundlach, Andrea Klug: “Der” ägyptische Hof des Neuen Reiches: seine Gesellschaft und Kultur im Spannungsfeld zwischen Innen- und Außenpolitik (= Akten des internationalen Kolloquiums vom 27. - 29. Mai 2002 an der Johannes Gutenberg-Universität Mainz; Vol. 2 of: Königtum, Staat und Gesellschaft früher Hochkulturen). Harrassowitz, Wiesbaden 2006, ISBN 3447053240.

English

• Richard A. Parker: The calendars of ancient Egypt (= Studies in ancient Oriental Civilization. Vol. 26, ISSN 0081-7554). University of Chicago Press, Chicago IL 1950.
• Margaret Bunson: Encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt. Infobase Publishing, 2009, ISBN 1438109970, p. 87 - ?.
• Micheal Rice: Egypt's Making: The Origins of Ancient Egypt, 5000-2000 Bc. Psychology Press, 2003, ISBN 0415268753, p. 97 - ?.
• Toby A. H. Wilkinson: Early Dynastic Egypt: Strategies, Society and Security. Routledge, London 2001, ISBN 0415260116, p. 209 - ?.

Like this? ;-) The lemma to choose should be "Coronation feast (Egypt)". Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 08:45, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Ok ! I will start with the last book which I own and then will go through online ressources (I can access all scholar articles). Iry-Hor (talk) 09:20, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Meanwhile I expanded the German version for "coronation feast (egypt)": de:Thronbesteigung. regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 12:42, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Wow this needs to be translated in english ! I put that on my list of things to do, second place (1st place is the Gebel el-Arak Knife which I just started expanding as I own a book on this artefact). Iry-Hor (talk) 12:48, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

I can also write the article. if you don't mind. Now that I got all books and pages... Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 13:06, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Of course, go ahead ! I will correct the phrasing and grammar if needed. Iry-Hor (talk) 13:08, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

I'd be glad if you would do that. I´m done!^^ Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 14:53, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for editing the new article, hope you liked it! I have brought the pictures into one size, so it would look more tidy. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 21:17, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes good one, now we need to put links to it from other wikipedia articles. Iry-Hor (talk) 22:01, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

I got ideas for further, important articles: the "circumambulation of the white walls", "cattle count" and "sokar feast" (the latter one was also extremely important for the coronation!). Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 09:54, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes but do you have enough referenced material for these articles ? Also note that the correct English term is "Circumambulation of the White Walls" Iry-Hor (talk) 09:58, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Don't worry, the books we used for the coronation article are likewise useful to write the articles I proposed. ;-) On the other side I wonder if we really need these article now, the feasts are enough described already. :D There is not much more known about these.^^ Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 10:19, 13 January 2013 (UTC) PS: except the article "cattle count", that is...

Yes the thing about the cattle count is that it is so important in counting the time of a king on the throne. It would be nice to know when was it biennal and when not ? Iry-Hor (talk) 10:23, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Maybe our German versions contain informations? no matter if so or not, I can write a short, but well referenced article about that, if ye like. ;) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 10:51, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

cattle count

Lol... you never gonna believe that: de.Wiki did NOT have any article about that economic event!!! So I had to write one. :D Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 19:01, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Man the german wiki is really badass in egyptology with tons and tons of stuffs ! Here is a picture to illustrate the article. Iry-Hor (talk) 19:24, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

...and you are badass in finding cool pics!^^ Thx! I´ll write the english version soon!^^ Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 19:32, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks ! At some point I will visit the Petrie museum, home of the largest collection of artefacts dating to the Early Dynastic and Predynastic periods. If photos are allowed, I will come back with the motherload of pictures. Iry-Hor (talk) 19:58, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

That would be simply bitchin'...^^ Besides: BEHOLD!. ;) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 20:54, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Nice !!! Iry-Hor (talk) 21:43, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Thx!^^ And thank you for proofreading! Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 16:43, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

I meant to go back to that after seeing that the other edit he/she did was reverting vandalism. Removing text with no explanation is usually a red flag though. Dougweller (talk) 17:23, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Of course, I am also carefull when I see anonyous edits with no explanations ! Iry-Hor (talk) 17:25, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Utsuro-bune

Hi. What do you think about this one? One of mine, too. ;) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 23:06, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Wow, nice one ! And the English is pretty good too. Did you also wrote the german version ? Man you're the expert on this weird sphere (I am still not sure what the heck this was). Also could you put some pictures in the English articles ? Iry-Hor (talk) 08:55, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Oh, thanks. Yes, the German version is from me either. A good buddy helped me with the candidacy and it received a "worth to read"-award. About the pictures: Hmmmm, I dunno if the good picture can be moved to Commons just like that, but I gonna ask a befriended administrator. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 16:00, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

I think there is a program to transfer images from a wikpedia site to commons, although I am not sure how to do it. Alternatively you can redownload the picture and upload it directly on wiki commons using the upload wizard. Iry-Hor (talk) 16:12, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

I have finished the article and put two pics into it. Hope, you enjoy. ;) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 20:26, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Man this stuff is really weird. If it's a legend then how did they come up with the ovoid shape and all ? That's very interesting. Iry-Hor (talk) 20:30, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Read the most lower part about the fear of the mid-age japanese against western influence. ;) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 20:54, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

I have put the article in a good article nomination. I would highly appreciate a review. You can find the article in the section Culture, sociology and psychology. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 22:55, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Gosh I have never reviewed any article so far ! Iry-Hor (talk) 16:28, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

It's easy: Just compare the informations in the article with the books you can read. If anything is correct, give a green hook at GAN. Don't forget to mark the review in the candidacy section. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 16:43, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Iry-Hor. You have new messages at Talk:Pyramid of Userkaf/GA3.
Message added 06:22, 31 January 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

ON HOLD. Ping me when you are done with the comments. Redtigerxyz ^Talk 06:22, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Award

Hi. Look, a buddy and me got an award for de:Mandarin (Titel). Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 22:09, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for April 18

Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Harsiese A, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Medinet Habu (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 11:39, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for May 7

Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that you've added some links pointing to disambiguation pages. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

Gebel el-Arak Knife (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver)

added a link pointing to Abydos

Sobekhotep I (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver)

added a link pointing to Abydos

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 13:20, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Khaemwaset and Naneferkaptah

The story in Setne I about Setne Khamwas includes another story within it, in which the spirit of Naneferkaptah's wife Ahwere (whose name is apparently rendered Ahura on the webpage you linked to) tells Setne Khamwas how her husband stole the Book of Thoth, provoking the gods to kill Naneferkaptah and his family. That's the part of the story that the webpage translates. Note that it ends by saying "I have now told you the sorrow which has come upon us because of this book." Her remark is addressed to Setne Khamwas as a warning. Setne Khamwas' story goes on after that: he ignores her warning, seizes the book, and nearly causes a similar disaster for his family. See the short summary I wrote at Book of Thoth. A full translation of Setne I and Setne II is contained in Miriam Lichtheim's Ancient Egyptian Literature, Volume III; I don't know of a translation in French.

Lichtheim writes that Naneferkaptah and his wife are supposed to have lived long before Setne Khamwas and were "the only children of a Pharaoh named Mernebtah". She doesn't explicitly say that this pharaoh is based on the historical Merneptah, even though she points out that Setne Khamwas is based on Khaemwaset and his father is "Pharaoh Usermare" (which I assume is a Demotic version of Ramesses II's prenomen Usermaatre). Setne I was written in the Ptolemaic period, when both Ramesses II and Merneptah were names from the legendary past. I would guess that the author of Setne I used their names without being aware, or caring, that Merneptah reigned after Ramesses II did. But I don't know of a source that says so.

Like I say, we should have an article about the Setne stories, and it should explain the meager historical basis for them. But I don't have sources that provide those details, and my efforts are concentrated elsewhere right now. A. Parrot (talk) 17:29, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Uploading flickr images/image files at Wikicommons

Dear Iry-Hor,

It may be better if you tell Juan Lazaro which images that you wish to use and then tell him to "edit" and change the flickr license from "All Rights Reserved" as in this image by Juan to either "Attribution-ShareAlike Creative Commons" (ie. cc by sa generic) as you can see in this flickr Image OR "Attribution Creative Commons" (cc by generic) as in this Image (see the license) I used the second image for king Siamun's article. So, the flickr image must be licensed copyright free for Commons and Wikipedia--and they can also be used by other web sites such as facebook, etc. I have seen some of my own images on my Commons account used in online travel magazines.

Why do I say this? Because Juan might not be familiar with how to upload images at Commons whereas you have already done so. So, Juan has to sign into his flickr account and change the flickr license by hitting the "edit" option next to the flickr license on each flickr photo that you select, then choose any one of the two licenses I mentioned and then hit "save" to save his new license option.

Flickr images that are licensed as 'All Rights Reserved' (ARR), or have a Non-Commercial or Non-Derivative use restriction at the time of upload will fail flickr review and be deleted. See this Notice for someone who made a mistake uploading an image with this restriction. (I don't use a bot to upload images as I don't upload hundreds of images from flickr like a bot. I just make sure the flickr license is correct when I upload a file at Commons.) The flickr image must have 1 or the 2 licenses that I mentioned above. Just contact Juan concerning which images you wish to use and tell him to change the flickr license to one of the two options I mentioned. Once it is done, you can upload it at WikiCommons. This is one Image I uploaded at Commons after Mary Harrsch changed the license to 'Attribution-ShareAlike Creative Commons' on flickr....and it passed flickr review in January 2009 (you can check the flickr source for the license). PS: Once an image passes flickr review, it is considered passed for life...even if the flickr account owner later changes the license and makes it more restrictive. Best Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 01:24, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much ! I shall tell Juan to change the copyright of the pictures I would like to use on wikipedia. These will make great additions to many articles. Iry-Hor (talk) 09:05, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

• You're welcome. Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 18:21, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

In case you are interested, I just realized that all the pictures of the catalog of the Petrie Museum are copyright-free here: http://petriecat.museums.ucl.ac.uk/search.aspx I will soon use these pictures to illustrate kings of the SIP. Iry-Hor (talk) 20:12, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

• No. Images from the Petrie Museum that are taken by UCL or Petrie Museum staff have a NC (Non-Commercial) restriction. I saw this after I checked for an item in their search box and saw the license notice at the bottom of the search page. They are not free for Commons. Anyway, I was just saying that Yahoo has made a whole bunch of changes to flickr on Monday May 20 see here and here If you want to send a flickrmail to Juan Lazaro concerning changing the license of an image taken by him on his flickr account, 1. you must now go to Juan's icon and click on the 'down arrow' option next to the icon to see the flickrmail option that you can select. Then when you flickrmail Juan and give him the url link of the picture that you wish him to change the license to (either "Attribution-ShareAlike Creative Commons" (ie. cc by sa generic) OR "Attribution Creative Commons" (cc by generic)), you must first 2. tell him to look at the "Additional info (show more)" link near the flickr license and CLICK on "(show more)" before the option for editing the license of his flickr image appears. Only then, can he edit the photo license from All Rights Reserved to one of the two licenses I mentioned. Only, Juan can change the license when he signs into his flickr account

Before Monday, May 20, everyone could easily see the 'edit' button for the flickr license on a picture but Yahoo now hid the license edit option. I only learned this after I logged into my own flickr account and saw that I could not esily change the license on my photos...until I saw "Additional info (show more)" near the flickr license and clicked on (show more) myself. Flickr is all about money now, I think, to Yahoo. Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 01:21, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

• I think Juan licensed at least an image of this Karnak statue of Neferhotep II here (see its license on flickr) and this cosmetic box of Queen Mentuhotep, the wife of king Djehuty/Djehuti here freely under a CC BY 2.0 Attribution license...like this Image is licensed. Perhaps, there are more images that Juan changed the license on for you? Anyway, you can now upload these image files on WikiCommons. Just give the flickr link for the image...as you can see in the Commons image I uploaded. --Leoboudv (talk) 08:30, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
• PS: Here are some WikiCommons Categories/Subcategories for 13th dynasty photos, stelas, statues, etc. Good luck and Goodnight from Canada, --Leoboudv (talk) 09:13, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello and thank you again for your help. These are indeed some of the images I requested from him. The complete list includes many more things so soon we will have plenty of images to illustrate the SIP ! Do you know how long we should wait, after uploading to wikicommons, before he can change the license back to what it was ? Also for the Petrie Museum images, here is what theyr say: "All images and text in the Petrie Museum online catalogue can be used under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported license. You may share and remix these items provided that you do not do so for commercial purposes, that you attribute The Petrie Museum of Egyptian Archaeology UCL, and that if you distribute these items you do so under the same or a similar license. For additional information and full license text see http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/". I believe this fits the bill for wikicommons. Iry-Hor (talk) 09:27, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

• Dear Iry-hor,

WikiCommons cannot accept images with a Non-Commercial (NC) or No-Derivative use restriction at upload which is what the Petrie Museum has. Remember this Notice It does not matter if the image is from flickr, panoramio or an institution like a Museum. That is why Commons cannot use images from the Petrie Museum because it has a NonCommercial restriction on their photos. You can upload those images which Juan changed the flickr license on because there is no such restrictions on them. They are free for Commons. Once an image passes flickrreview on Commons from Juan's account, it is considered free for life. Juan can change then back the license if he wishes then...but not before. Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 18:19, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Well that s... I will have to go to the Petrie Museum at some point then. In contrast, the Brooklyn Museum has his whole egyptian colleciton online (http://www.brooklynmuseum.org/opencollection/egyptian/objects/index/) under the following license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/. If I am not mistaken, this means the images can be uploaded on commons, right ? Iry-Hor (talk) 20:51, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

• Dear Iry-hor,

There is lots of images from the Brooklyn Museum on Commons already and the license of images from this institution's web site also prohibits Non-Commercial use as you can clearly see here Put your mouse over the license and it says "cc by NC 3.0" Also see the statement: "Non-commercial use of text and images in which Brooklyn Museum holds the copyright is permitted." So, Commercial use is prohibited. The institutions/museums will not freely license colour images of their own pictures. Anyway, I am just telling you that your images from the Petrie Museum at WikiCommons have been deleted because of the NC restriction. If I were you, I would concentrate on uploading those images that Juan licensed freely for you at flickr at WikiCommons now under an "Attribution Creation Commons 2.0" license...such as the cosmetic box of Queen Mentuhotep which could even be used for king Djehuti's article and the pyramidion of Merneferre Ay Once the images pass flickrreview, they will remain on WikiCommons and Wikipedia forever. You will never get images of objects for every king or queen of Ancient Egypt--but if you can images for a bit more of them, that is good. Juan has helped you now on some of his images so why delay uploading them at Commons? Good luck. --Leoboudv (talk) 02:45, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Dear Leoboudv, I uploaded to wikicommons all 67 pictures of Juan I selected. See here. The photos include kings of the SIP and more ! The task now is to put them in place in wikipedia, which I shall do together with new infos on the kings of the SIP I got from my new book "The Encyclopedia of the Pharaohs". Thank you again for you help ! Iry-Hor (talk) 16:03, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

• Congratulations. Juan does have many rare images as you said including the Khyan lion, the pyramidion of Merneferre Ay and the cosmetic box of Queen Mentuhotep, Djehuti's wife. I have to work today but you are familiar with flickr licenses, it is good to know. Best Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 17:31, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
• You are right. Ryholt's book does say Mentuhotepti. I've reverted my edit now. I guess I was confused with Mentuhotep. Its a minor mistake. Regards and Goodnight as its 1:20 AM here in Canada, --Leoboudv (talk) 08:20, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Ivory label of king Djesertetj (Sekhemkhet)

Hi. Look at this beautiful picture of Djesertetj's ivory label! Leoboudv did the upload. What superb quality! It's a list of delivered linen for the king's afterlife. The inscription in the lower section describes different types of clothes such as bed sheets, shirts, nightgowns, vestments and even underwear. The central section names them or describes their size and colour. The upper section bears the reading "the king lives!", at the right several horus falcons are depicted, the line on which they sit ends in a ostrich feather (a symbol of light and harmony). And at the very right we read: "Djeser-tj-Nebty, Ankh", meaning either "Sublime ruler of the Two Ladies, he lives." or "The living sublime of the Two Ladies". Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 09:06, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello, I known I did the upload. I uploaded a total of 67 photos after I convinced a guy with an amazing FlickR account to change the licence to a free one. The photos include rarely seen kings of the second intermediate period, an amazing vase of Khasekhemwy, a vase of Sekhemib Perenmaat, an ivory label of Neithhotep, a detail of the stela of Qahedjet, a label of Narmer and more ! All photos HERE Iry-Hor (talk) 09:55, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Oooohhh, excuse me! I thought it was Leoboudv since he presented the pics to us in German Wikipedia! I'm sorry. Wow, thank you for convincing the photographer! These are bombastic pics! Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 10:39, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!! The total blow!!!! Shall I write something about their inscriptions? And can I upload them in German Wiki, too? My co-authors and portal members will totally freak out! ^_^ Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 11:33, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes write about the inscriptions that would be awesome ! You can of course upload to german wiki but to put pictures on the german wiki you do not need to do so. You can take the picture directly from wikicommons. Iry-Hor (talk) 12:50, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

My first emendation. I have also started to edit the photo files. Hope you enjoy. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 17:54, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Following files were completed and edited: Semerkhet, Nymaathap (I used the most up-to-date translation by Silke Roth, who professionally studies early egyptian queens) and Khasekhem 1. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 18:25, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean ? where did you write the translations ? Iry-Hor (talk) 07:55, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

• I think Nephiliskos just said that he expanded the text on the meaning of the photos as in this edit Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 08:49, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Wow that's great ! Dear Leoboudv did you see the picture of Sankhptahi Sehehenre I uploaded to commons. He was an obscur king of the 13th dynasty. He is mentioned on wiki article on the 13th dynasty but does not have an article for himself yet. I will probably write something on him shortly. Iry-Hor (talk) 09:23, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Umm... Ok, my fault: I should have set some links. ;-)) Here: Nymaathap, Semerkhet, Djer 1 and Khasekhem 1. Just compare the versions to each other. ;-) There are my edits. ;-)) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 10:03, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Very good ! This makes an essential addition for the understanding of these objects. I wish we had more inscriptions. Iry-Hor (talk) 17:53, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

• I haven't seen the photo of Sankhptahi Sehehenre but that's OK. He's an obscure king. One day I will I suppose but the wiki article on him will, of course, be very short. Kind Regards and Thanks for the new photos, --Leoboudv (talk) 18:24, 30 May 2013 (UTC)