User talk:Izzygold93

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If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page. Adam (Wiki Ed) (talk) 23:05, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

your edits at Kathoey

Welcome to Wikipedia, Izzygold93, and hope you enjoy your experience as a student editor in your class, and stay on past it to remain as an editor at Wikipedia. I noticed your recent edit at Kathoey. Thanks for working on the article, and adding material, along with a reference, which as you know is one of the core principles of Wikipedia. Unfortunately, I don't think the material quite holds up in this form, and I've added a section to the Kathoey Talk page here about it. But don't fret, feel free to go to the Talk page and comment on why you think that section is relevant, or what can be done to improve it. Article Talk pages are where you go, to discuss with other editors about how to improve an article. Please have a look at the Talk page guidelines to learn how to use them. User talk pages, (like this one), are a little different, and can be a place to leave a specific user (you) a message, like I'm doing now. You can read more about this at the Wikipedia:User pages guideline. Good luck in your course, and once again, welcome! Mathglot (talk) 23:55, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

unexplained removal of source ref

Hi Izzygold93,

Please don't remove citations from articles like you did here at Kathoey without a good reason, which should be given in the edit summary if it fits, or on the talk page if it requires longer explanation. Normally, I would just revert your change, but since you simultaneously added a different source, reverting it would remove your source, and I don't want to do that.

If the reason you removed the source was because you saw that the link was dead (it was, when I tried it), the appropriate procedure is not to remove it, but to follow the procedure here: WP:DEADLINK. If you're not sure what to do in a case like that, then just keep the dead link, don't remove the source, and mark the link dead by tagging it with {{deadlink}} right after the ref in which it appears.

As for what to do now, I think the deleted ref should be restored, unless you have a good reason not to. Rather than do that for you, it would be better if you did it. I'm giving you a jump-start, by reformatting the reference for you, here:

<ref name="Jackson-1996">{{Cite web |last=Jackson |first=Peter A. |title=Non-normative Sex/Gender Categories in the Theravada Buddhist Scriptures |publisher= |date=April 1996 |url=http://rspas.anu.edu.au/papers/pah/theravada.html |deadurl=yes |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20080725115630/rspas.anu.edu.au/papers/pah/theravada.html |archive-date=2008-07-25 |accessdate=5 December 2009}}</ref>

All you have to do, is find the spot where it used to be (see the "here" link in the first sentence above) and put it in there, right before the other Peter Jackson reference that you added (so you'll end up with two Jackson refs, back-to-back, which is fine). As this ref now contains an archive link that works, you don't need to tag this ref with {{dead link}}. (The 'deadurl=yes' inside the ref serves a similar purpose, but only when used in combination with an 'archive-url'.)

By the way, you're doing great with your edits, keep doing what you're doing. Wikipedia is full of policies and guidelines and conventions and habit, and it takes a while to get the hang of it. Don't be afraid of making mistakes, one of WP's policies is to be bold, and there's nothing wrong with trying something and having someone else come around and change it to something else; that's the way it works around here.

Oh, and if you ever have any questions, just add a new section to your talk page, explain what your question is, and add {{HelpMe}} and someone will come around pretty quickly and answer your question. Try to make your question as brief and as specific as possible, and if it's about a particular article, always provide a link to the article. If it's about a particular change someone else made, the optimal link to add is a "{{diff}}" like the one at the top of this section, otherwise just give the article name, Username, and timestamp of their change.

Hope this helps, and perhaps you could share with your classmates the use of {{deadlink}} and {{HelpMe}}. Cordially, Mathglot (talk) 20:53, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

April 2017

Hello, I'm Jim1138. I noticed that in this edit to Kathoey, you removed content without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, the removed content has been restored. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Jim1138 (talk) 02:43, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

@Izzygold93: It looks like this edit of yours was an attempt to fix up the missing <ref> that we were discussing in the "#unexplained removal of source ref" section just above this one, as I can see that you placed the jackson-1996 ref in the right place, so good job on that! Had you stopped at that point and saved the page, that would've been great. But instead, what ended up happening was that two sections and most of a third got deleted: (#Requirements to confirm eligibility for Sex Reassignment Surgery, #Activism—the one which we had talked about moving, and #In popular culture).

I'm not quite sure if you intended to delete three sections, or if it was a mixup, as your edit summary merely said "citation". If it was intentional, that is too big a change to make all at once and without consensus, and Jim1138 was right to revert the edit. Any time you want to remove content from an article, especially if it's a lot of text or sourced content, at the very least you need to carefully explain it in the edit summary, and better would be to add a section to the article's talk page first and discuss it with other editors, to gain a consensus. Most seasoned editors probably would place a notice on the talk page first, saying something like, "About to delete the Blah-blah section" and give a reason, and then wait a few days at to see if anyone objected, before actually removing the material. If you want to remove three sections, I would do it in three different edits, using three different edit summaries and only after discussing each removal on the Talk page first.

If you only intended to add the missing ref, then just try it again. Don't forget to provide an edit summary saying what you are doing; I'd suggest something like, "Restoring ref inadvertently removed in rev 771843374 of 12:54, 23 March 2017." Even if you intended to do more than that, I would just do that much in your first edit, save it, and then proceed to your other edits piecemeal, adding a separate edit summary for each one.

If you indeed intended to remove all these sections, then you should probably open a discussion section at the talk page of the article, since that is the appropriate place to discuss content and how to improve an article. I haven't seen you respond here on your talk page yet, and I'm not sure if it's because you didn't wish to, or didn't know how to. Feel free to contact your teacher, or reach out to User:Adam (Wiki Ed), or use {{HelpMe}}, or email contact@wikiedu.org. Cordially, Mathglot (talk) 04:49, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

@Jim1138: I have only attempted to delete "Activism" because I agreed it should be placed somewhere else. I am not recalling some of these changes being referred to. I do not remember deleting that one citation and when I went to replace it, it was an old version of the page. I am wondering maybe this is why those other sections appeared deleted. Izzygold93 (talk) 16:50, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

You removed the Activism section here with an wp:edit summary (ES) of Activism: moving to another section. thanks. But on your next edit here, you didn't appear to move the section anywhere that I could see and removed still more content. This time without an ES. Please remember to keep your actions consistent with your ESs. Probably best not to do too much with one edit so the edit can be described with one ES. If it is too complicated to describe, start a new section on the talk page: talk:Kathoey in this case describing what you are doing and a brief ES including "See talk". BTW: you changed Kathoeys to Kathoey's - the latter is the possessive of one kathoey. Kathoeys would appear to be correct in this case. Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 17:57, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

@Jim1138: I did not mean to do anything other than deleting the "Activism" section and replacing a citation. I want to work on the "Activism" section more before I place it. Is there something I am possibly doing in the format? Thanks.

Hi Izzygold, we're talking about doing (at least) two different things here, which should be done in separate edits:

1. Replacing a <ref> you inadvertently deleted
2. Moving the #Activism section (possibly updated) to a more appropriate article, as discussed at Talk:Kathoey

Probably #1 is the easier of the two, and should come first. You managed to get it right the first time, although that edit was tainted by some inadvertent deletes which caused it to get reverted. You could just try doing that one over again, exactly as you did before: just replace that one ref, click "Show preview" to make sure you got it right and that nothing else is missing, add an Edit summary like we discussed before, and then click "Save".

Once that's done, you can move on to the move of the #Activism section to another article, which is a bit more complicated as it involves a delete on one article, and an add of the same material on another, but it's not that hard and if you need help with it you can certainly ask.

In your last sentence above, you asked a question which I did not understand. If it's important, please rephrase, or perhaps Jim1138 will understand what you meant and can respond to you. Mathglot (talk) 20:18, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Izzygold, I didn't look for or notice anything about your formatting. That wasn't a factor with my undoing your edit. I undid it as you removed stuff with a edit summary which didn't make sense for the edit.

If you want to experiment with formatting on a page, you can use wp:Show preview instead of "Save changes". Then you can see what it will look like without the danger of taking the page down. Another option is to copy the entire page (or part of it) to your sandbox. You can then copy back the part(s) you want to update. This may make for a complex change all at once which is usually a bad idea.

I would generally interpret "moving a section" as removing it from the article, saving, then adding it to the new location and saving. All within a few minutes. Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 22:36, 7 April 2017 (UTC)