User talk:Jbhays11019

Your submission at Articles for creation: sandbox (October 17)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by In veritas was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to User:Jbhays11019/sandbox and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you need any assistance, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk or on the reviewer's talk page.
• You can also use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

In veritas (talk) 04:10, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Hello! Jbhays11019, I noticed your article was declined at Articles for Creation, and that can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! In veritas (talk) 04:10, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

How to make lasting changes

How do I make lasting changes to Wikipedia? I think it's ok to type here. I would like to introduce myself to someone in the class. Jbhays11019 (talk) 00:22, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Jbhays11019 (talk) 05:37, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Racism

Hi! I noticed your recent additions to this article. I removed "History teachers in the United States may have a tendency to emphasize the cognitive aspects of World War II, rather than the affective implications of racism leading to genocide (Brown & Davies)." and gave a reason in the edit summary. All citations within each Wikipedia article should conform to the same style; in addition, for this article, no section exists that gives more specific information about any work by (Brown & Davis), so the bare names are not sufficient. if you do have a source, and if the proper source is the same a you used just prior to the sentence, you should follow repeated sources to reuse the same citation to avoid entering the long form. (The blue links above will take you to relevant sections of Wikipedia guidelines and policies.)

Also, please consider different placement of the material you added: creating a new section like 'Teaching about racism', finding an article that already exists on the topic, or creating a new article if necessary. Wikipedia is a collaborative project; working well together also includes closely reading an entire article to find if new material fits and then, if it does, the best location and way of adding that material. — Neonorange (talk) 02:24, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Neonorange,

I agree with everything you've written. Question: Can you give me a little more help on how to follow your directions on how to cite a repeated source? I've got the directions: but am a little rusty on the coding. "Text of the citation"? Do I just copy the original citation in between the two <>>

Jbhays11019 (talk) 03:41, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Jbhays. The teaching about racism you added seems to only deal with the U.S. so that would be relevant to the U.S. racism page.— RichardHarris22 (talk) 05:15, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of The Teaching Tolerance Initiative

If this is the first article that you have created, you may want to read the guide to writing your first article.

You may want to consider using the Article Wizard to help you create articles.

A tag has been placed on The Teaching Tolerance Initiative, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:56, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Richard: I was told to add a section for topics about teaching. Why is an organization that teaches about racism considered advertising? They are a source of educational materials about racism. Is THAT not encyclopedic? Jbhays11019 (talk) 05:19, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Please assume any criticisms here are made in good faith (one of the five pillars of Wikipedia)—this is a collaborative process, without the five pillars requirements and other polices building the largest, most consulted encyclopedia would be impossible. Your user page indicates you are the instructor for a course and recent contributions to Wikipedia indicates tha students in curse are contributing to Wikipedia. If you in fact are the instructor, I am sure that you think it important to follow directions, if not then please correct the ambiguity on your user page and ask your instructor for aid. As it is, the article you submitted has many problems—the most glaring of which being that all the citations are from a single source, a source that is the web page of the organization that sponsors the initiate. Wikipedia requires multiple verifiable citations from independent reliable sources without conflict of intersect. I'm sure you understand that necessity, but just in case, please read WP:Pillars of Wikipedia and the additional articles like WP:Reliable sources that are listed there. Without cites to WP:RS Wikipedia cannot be reliable or even used as a starting point for research. In addition, a search here reveals that Teaching Tolerence already exists as a redirect to the very same program as the article you submitted. Encyclopedic articles we want, but these articles must be free of advocacy, just as they must be free of any other type of advocacy. Writing is not easy, the requirements here are at least as high as your educational institution requires. Your user page indicates you are the instructor for a course and recent contributions to Wikipedia indicates tha students in curse are contributing to Wikipedia. If you in fact are the instructor, I am sure that you think it important to follow directions, if not then please correct the ambiguity on your user page and' ask your instructor for aid. As it is, the article you submitted has many problems—the most glaring of which being that all the citations are from a single source, a source that is the web page of the organization that sponsors the initiate. Wikipedia requires multiple verifiable citations from independent reliable sources without conflict of intersect. I'm sure you understand that necessity, but just in case, please read WP:Pillars of Wikipedia and the additional articles like WP:Reliable sources that are listed there. Without cites to WP:RS Wikipedia cannot be reliable or even used as a starting point for research. In addition, a search here reveals that Teaching tolerance already exists as a redirect to the very same program as the article you submitted. Encyclopedic articles we want, but these articles must be free of advocacy", just as the must be free of any other type of advocacy. Writing is not easy, the requirements here are at least as high as your educational institution requires. The Southern Poverty Law Center Wikipedia article is rated B-class, see [1]; please read that article, especially section [[Southern Poverty Law Center#3. Education|3 Education]. Writing a Wikipedia article is not an easy task (or an easy assignment). I notice other students in this class are each writing an assessment of an article—this seems like a more suitable task if you have not yet written an article that was accepted.

ps Please preface any replies you make with one more colons than used in the just prior message in the same section; this causes an indentation of your new message (each new paragraph in that message must be prefaced with the same number of colons to maintain the same indentation); this aids following the conversation. — Neonorange (talk) 07:34, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your response, Richard. Yes, I am the instructor of the course and as such I may have an ego that is a bit sensitive. The reason the "article" has only one source is that I just started it. I guess I should have kept it in my sandbox while I worked on it rather than publishing it as incomplete. I still take issue with this advocacy idea. I'm merely stating the fact that this organization makes these free materials available to teachers which can aid said teachers in creating a classroom culture free of racial, gender etc. bias. Are you saying that if I add more and cite other sources I may be able to use what I've written? Or is it all completely unacceptable? Jbhays11019 (talk) 16:46, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

One more preceding colon to further indent (I have added a colon to your just previous post). Before you do further work, please read Southern Poverty Law Center, especially the section 3 Education, both as an example and as a check to see what already exists. I also suggest reading Wikipedia:Student assignments—it contains pointers to many resources and norms for teaching Wikipedia in the classroom. Of course you may keep working on 'The Teaching Tolerance Initiative', but it seems your starting point is one of advocacy for using this particular set of educational materials. Perhaps it would be best to get an understanding of why that can not be acceptable in Wikipedia, a collaborative project that depends on consensus. — Neonorange (talk) 18:02, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Okay. I'll do that. I appreciate your taking the time to give me some pointers. I didn't mean to create a new page but it was created when I referred to the initiative so I just started working on it. I do appreciate collaboration; I'll do some work before I write anything else. I'm just concerned that if collaborators get too critical about each other's work, then new people like myself might just give up and stop participating. It's a bit shocking to see reasonably coherent text deleted by a stranger but I guess that's just the way of the wikipedians. I'm still working on this genre and it's challenging because everything I wrote is written with at least some persuasive intent. I need to get a better feel for purely informative writing. Any ideas on where to go to read about the genre of encyclopedia? Jbhays11019 (talk) 19:59, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

I suggest you read articles that are rated as featured articles, the highest rating in Wikipedia. This will give you a good idea of what Wikipedia aims toward. You can access the list of all featured articles (only five thousand out of five million) by clicking on this link or searching for Category:Featured articles. Ernest Hemingway, W.E.B. Dubois, and Elizabeth I of England, and Smith Act trials of Communist Party leaders are a few to get you started. Keep in mind that Wikipedia content is provided by unpaid volunteers. Our administrators are unpaid volunteers. Any editor may nominate a Wikipedia article for speedy deletion, but only an administrator my delete such an article. Since you have challenged the speedy deletion for the article you submitted, if you have followed the direction, the article will not be speedily deleted, it two other methods of deletion remain. My guess is that without major improvements the final result will be a redirect to the section in Southern Poverty Law Center as I mentioned. As for resources for writing encyclopedic articles, start with Encyclopedia and the sources cited there. Good luck. — Neonorange (talk) 22:06, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

ENG 110-27 Talk Page

Hi everyone. Please check in here and let me know how your wikipedia experience is going. Jbhays11019 (talk) 05:24, 22 January 2017 (UTC)