User talk:Jbmurray/Advice

To be or not to be (a slave to the process)

GA and FA are somewhat outside the ethos of Wikipedia - the encyclopedia that anyone can edit - and their processes are not necessary to add great content to Wikipedia. Quite a few - maybe most - editors who add content do so without ever visiting either GAN or FAC. If you take a look at the 42 policies - Wikipedia:List of policies - of Wikipedia, you'll notice Manual of Style and citation formats/templates do not appear. The closest is Wikipedia:Verifiability. As long as a professor and his /her students follow those policies, which outline behaviour most learn in kindergarten (plays well with classmates, etc.), they are free to write articles as they please. In other words, the tone should be in the style of an encyclopedia and the sources should be explicitly given. For university people, the Wikipedia:No original research policy is probably the biggest hurdle. In short, I think a university class would actually do better outside of GA and FA. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 13:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

On the other hand, I think some of the finer points of GAN & FAC (MoS for references, dates, etc.) will actually come in handy outside of wikipedia. The knowledge on Citation format I've gleaned from Wikipedia has been an immense help in all manner of classes (everything from Physics to Chemistry to History). I'd love for my high-school to do something like this (it might convince the morons down at the Calgary Board of Education that Wikipedia IS SO better than Britannica!). JbMurray, you've proven every academic critic of wikipedia wrong with this one. I give you a highly-nerdy-virtual-salute! Cheers! Cam (Chat) 05:48, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Journalism

Thank you jbmurray for your many contributions. As you write, verifiability and citations are the substance of the wikis. College students should learn to express themselves in full voice without the type of restraints found in WP. Advanced students can cope with the need for backup, beginners just have to learn to get their voice out and will find the requirements of wiki authorship stifling. WP Users are like journalists with responsibility. Still, with human attention ever more scarce, involvement in the encyclopedia project give youth the chance to find response, so use of this space is attractive, just challenging.

Thank you also for your comments quoted at www.insidehighered.com/2011/07/11. The academic ties of our encyclopedia are undeniable though controversial.Rgdboer (talk) 22:46, 21 July 2011 (UTC)