User talk:Jbrashears

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September 2022

Welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your contributions, but in one of your recent edits to After Like (song), it appears that you have added original research, which is against Wikipedia's policies. Original research refers to material—such as facts, allegations, ideas, and personal experiences—for which no reliable, published sources exist; it also encompasses combining published sources in a way to imply something that none of them explicitly say. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. Thank you. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 04:30, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

My edit has nothing to do with my original research. My personal analysis would be that "After Like" is a disco song. However, I believe my edit to the Wikipedia article for "After Like" provides a very accurate summary of verifiable sources which categorize the song's genre.

I believe that the anonymous edits (which you have reinstated) are taking the sources out of context. If you read the citation I provided, the source does not say that "After Like" is an EDM song. It rather states that it *draws* from EDM music: house music, in particular. I believe that the anonymous edits are taking the sources out of context.

According to Wikipedia, EDM is not a single genre, but rather a "broad range of percussive electronic music genres" The Wikipedia article for EDM goes on to emphasize this even further: "the initialism [EDM] remains in use as an umbrella term for multiple genres, including dance-pop, house, techno, electro and trance".

As I outlined in my reply, there is an "official term" that Wikipedia uses for the concept identified in the cited sources. That word is dance-pop.

You may notice that the genre of the album "After Like" is listed on Wikipedia as "nu-disco" with none of these qualifiers. If I was using "original research", I would've just put "disco" or "nu-disco". But I wanted to stick with something I could directly support through verifiable sources.

I strongly believe that my categorization was an accurate representation of accurate sources. I am very confident about this, and I have invested significant effort, all the way back to the day this song was released, in order to make sure the genre tag on this Wikipedia article is accurate.

What do I need to do in order to get this edit approved? Jbrashears (talk) 06:25, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

My 2 claims are: (1) In this context, "EDM" is both ambiguous and redundant. "EDM" should not be listed in the genre tags for this song. (2) Dance-pop is the most neutral and encyclopedic way to accurately represent the various sources which categorize this song. Therefore, "Dance-pop, disco, house" is the most accurate representation of the available sources.

I agree that (2) is subjective... it doesn't even match my personal opinion (since I personally believe this is a disco song)!

But (1) is not really a matter of opinion. The sources do not concur that "EDM" is a good way to describe this song.

I understand I don't make as many Wikipedia edits as you do. But as you may have noticed, I _created a Wikipedia account_ in order to make this change. I am willing to do whatever it takes to convince you that "Dance-pop, disco, house" is the most accurate representation of available sources. Jbrashears (talk) 06:47, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

@Jbrashears To start off, welcome to English Wikipedia. So firstly, I believe you're unaware that we write according to what the sources reported as, as stated clearly in WP:VERIFY, quote "Wikipedia does not publish original research. Its content is determined by previously published information rather than the beliefs or experiences of editors. Even if you are sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it". Hence back to your concern for "After Like", the genres is fully complying with WP:VERIFY. Adding "Dance-pop" would means failed verification, and as stated clearly on WP:VERIFY. As per WP:BURDEN, quote "All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution" and "The cited source must clearly support the material as presented in the article". You did provide a Nylon source however it doesn't states the word/term "dance-pop" and/or "dance pop" and/or "pop dance" and/or "pop-dance". So lastly, unless you can provide a reliable source as per WP:VERIFY, the word/term "dance-pop" and/or "dance pop" and/or "pop dance" and/or "pop-dance" isn't going back anytime soon or at all until you're able to WP:PROVEIT.

I have also added a Welcome menu with plenty of helpful links about policies, guidelines, etc, for you to get started on English Wikipedia. And also, when replying remember to WP:PING whoever you're replying to if you want them to reply to you, by adding "@[[User:Example|Example]]" without the quotes (for example, @[[User:Jbrashears|Jbrashears]]) to the start. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 03:46, 19 September 2022 (UTC)