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ThumMusic System

The article ThumMusic System has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group or service and which would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. NawlinWiki (talk) 03:14, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

• The whole thing was not written as a description of a notable product ("notable" per WP:N, having been recognized as such by reliable independent sources), but as a "here's a problem, and here's how my product is best at solving it" article. Just deleting the links to the website doesn't keep it from being advertising. This is why it's not a good idea to write about your own product or company; see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. What seems to you like neutral description seems to other people like promotion. NawlinWiki (talk) 03:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

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Please grant to permission for the use of File:Thummer.jpg on Wikimedia Commons

Hello, JumPlamondon

Recently, I found your uploaded image on English Wikipedia is nominated for deletion.

File:Thummer.jpg

The reason for deletion may be "copyright infringement".

But, on Wikimedia Commons, if you send permission mail to Wikimedia Foundation,
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(underline part is modified by me) --Shoulder-synth (talk) 03:23, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

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Ways to improve Tony Seba

Hello, JimPlamondon,

Thank you for creating Tony Seba.

I have tagged the page as having some issues to fix, as a part of our page curation process and note that:

Links to books on Amazon, while worthy, do not satisfy Wikipedia requirements for notability. Please find more references, and get them onto the article before somebody puts it up for deletion. The article resides at this level of risk. Thank you.

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Whiteguru (talk) 03:22, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

@Whiteguru: Re the article on Tony Seba

The Tony Seba article is not unambiguously promotional, because:

1. It cites literally dozens of secondary sources which prove that his books (especially his recent ones) have sparked international discussion.
2. It cites a list of specific predictions, made in his books, that were highly controversial when published, which have since proven to have been accurate -- citing secondary sources accordingly.

I cannot help but wonder:

• What factual statements in the article are considered to be promotional?
• What sources of evidence would render those factual claims "non-promotional"?

Respectfully,

--JimPlamondon (talk) 07:39, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

• JimPlamondon A lot of editors have looked at this article today, and it has gone from New Page Review to Articles for Deletion (edit conflict) Draftspace, and then formally moved back to draft by an uninvolved editor. You have the grace, and the opportunity to find what we call reliable sources for this article. It's hard yakka, and I know you have been pushed and shoved around today; but it is all a learning experience. Please treat this like so. --Whiteguru (talk) 08:26, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Tony Seba moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Tony Seba, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Yeeno (talk) 🍁 03:33, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

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AfC notification: Draft:Tony Seba has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Tony Seba. Thanks! Robert McClenon (talk) 06:46, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Using Wikipedia for personal promotion

Please do not use WP for personal promotion as you have done here. I reverted your edits so that a neutral editor who is not the subject of the article can have a chance to improve the article. They might even use the sources you contributed. I encourage you to read WP:COI carefully. With that in mind, do you have a conflict of interest on Draft:Tony Seba? That would include having a financial interest in the subject's work, knowing them, or being paid to create the article. --- Possibly ☎ 07:48, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

@Possibly:,

I did not use the article on the Thummer for personal promotion.

Given that an previous editor threatened to delete the article on the Thummer due to its claimed lack of notability, I added content and references to the article that demonstrated that the Thummer, the company that created it, and I as its inventor had received awards and government grants related to it, as evidence of its notability. How were these NOT evidence of the instrument's notability? Why edit them out?

The company had filed many patents and trademarks on the Thummer -- also evidence of notability. This IP is now in the public domain, so that anyone can now use it. A reader visiting the Thummer page might well want to know this. The information was contained in a sentence or two, with a list of references to the relevant entries in the government IP database -- what purpose is served by editing this information out of the article?

Respectfully,

--JimPlamondon (talk) 08:23, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

You need to declare your very obvious conflict of interest, per We our WP:COI guideline. Editing a page on a product that you invented is a COI.

I can't help but notice that his advice was provided to you 13 years ago (see top of talk page). You are describing your product from a marketing viewpoint and not an encyclopedic viewpoint. Also, patents, trademarks and grants have no role in determining notability. I have nominated the Thummer keyboard for deletion. It does not need ot be standalone and can be merged into the Jammer keyboard. --- Possibly ☎ 08:26, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Jim's Conflicts of Interest re Tony Seba

None. I am a fan of Tony's work. I've never met him or corresponded with him, though. He hasn't even accepted my LinkedIn connection request. 😉 --JimPlamondon (talk) 06:32, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

This isn't technically WP:COI then, so you don't have to declare it. Just so you know in the future. A COI requires a personal or financial connection to a person or entity. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 09:25, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Notability of Tony Seba

I was gently reminded by Whiteguru that links an author's books to Amazon pages do not, by themselves, prove notability. Fair enough.

However, it is unclear to me whether an article on Tony Seba needs to prove that HE is notable, or that his BOOKS are notable.

I have addressed this issue in two ways:

• First, I have added the phrase "sparked international discussion" to each of his latest books (listed at the top of the article's Bibliography section), followed by references to articles that mentioned that book soonishly after its publication. This should address the "notability of his books" issue.
• Second, I added a section titled "Predictions" that lists the predictions that Tony has made, citing his books (to enable people to verify his predictions) and secondary sources (to enable people to verify the outcomes).

Contested deletion of Tony Seba article

The article on Tony Seba is not unambiguously promotional, because:

1. It cites literally dozens of secondary sources which prove that his books (especially his recent ones) have sparked international discussion.
2. It cites a list of specific predictions, made in his books, that were highly controversial when published, which have since proven to have been accurate -- citing secondary sources accordingly.

The Wikipedia article on RethinkX, the company that Tony Seba co-founded, has more discussion of the criticisms of the ideas presented in Tony's books. If that's what you think is missing, please let me know, and I will add some of that discussion to this page.

Which begs the question:

• What factoids stated in the article on Tony are deemed to be promotional, and why?

Respectfully, --JimPlamondon (talk) 08:23, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

This statement goes on the article's talk page. The deleting administrator will not see it here. --- Possibly ☎ 08:28, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes, this statement belongs on the article talk page, not your personal talk page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:34, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. I have copied & pasted the section above into Draft_talk:Tony_Seba.

--JimPlamondon (talk) 23:47, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

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I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Tony Seba. Thanks! –Novem Linguae (talk) 09:22, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

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