User talk:Johnrameshkhan

Your question about the Pallar population is answered in the Pallar discussion page.

about the word dalit[edit]

You are correct dalit is not a Tamil word. There is a problem in our state that the people who are mentioning themselves as upper caste are discriminating the people belonging to scheduled caste as 'Dalit'. The meaning of dalit is referred as untouchables. The people are not untouchables they were made untouchables. So there is a significant difference. Also the word 'Dalit' is used as modern weapon for caste discrimination. We are all thinking this word may unite all the caste belonging to the scheduled caste. But others are using this word against us. They are gaining joy by using this word. Thats why the Devendra kula vellalar dont want this word. Devendran is a Tamil word Ther(chariot)+Vendan(King)=Devendran. Thanks for your comment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tamil1988 (talk • contribs) 08:06, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for sourcing content![edit]

Thank you for looking up the actual source articles [1] ! Active Banana (^bananaphone 18:15, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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dalit[edit]

In a recent edit you added this to the page for Shiva Ayyadurai. I don't know, or care particularly, if it is true or not - but there is no support for it in the three sources. Given that it is a very "loaded" term, please don't do that. Snori (talk) 06:44, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Those three sources were already there for some other purpose. The word "untouchable" is already there in one of the sources. A blog page written by Shiva Ayyadurai himself. The source mentioned in the page is - http://vashiva.com/yes-a-darkie-invented-email-get-over-it/ This is the second reference in that sentence. He says "My parents Meenakshi and Vellayappa Ayyadurai worked hard to get an education at a time when people of our background were treated as “untouchables” in Colonial India."

So, I only added the word 'dalit' but without any reference. Shiva Ayyadurai mentions that he is a dalit in many of his interviews, so I don't think it is "loaded" in this context. This is his latest video. He introduces himself as dalit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf-qv9o8nq8

I have another link for the 'source' - https://books.google.co.in/books?id=I1NxDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT153&lpg=PT153&dq=shiva+ayyadurai+%22dalit%22&source=bl&ots=BYhdErAkpI&sig=ACfU3U362zCDwrzI54voQawBe_nOid112Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjMqeCd7uzoAhVdzjgGHWcaDFE4ChDoATAAegQICxAn#v=onepage&q=shiva%20ayyadurai%20%22dalit%22&f=false

I am adding it now.Johnrameshkhan (talk) 12:02, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Words are funny, but generally if there are two that appear to be identical, that's not really the case. I don't want to dive into this for untouchable/dalit - but if our sources (including that video link) say "untouchable", then claiming that they say "dalit" is clearly wrong, whatever your motive- Snori (talk) 04:09, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You really need to do some very basic research on the term ‘Dalit’. You should start with the Wikipedia page on Dalit. So if you insist that the word should be ‘untouchable’ but not ‘Dalit’ then allow me to add that term. Johnrameshkhan (talk) 18:48, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No matter how much I research 'dalit' I will never fully understand the subtle differences in meaning with 'untouchable'. I only insist that we use that word because that's what Shiva himself uses. So, yes of course feel free to quote him using his own words. - Snori (talk) 06:43, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]