User talk:Jullian Drews

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If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:52, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Shalor, isn't there supposed to be one of those templates here listing the course with a link to the edu dashboard? Mathglot (talk) 19:14, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

• Mathglot: Hmm... typically these are added by the Dashboard automatically when the student enrolls themselves, so this may be a result of them being added by another person. In the meantime, I've added the tags. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:20, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Elena Toppo's Peer Review

This article is off to a great start. It has good information and the writing is clear and well thought out.

Right now all the information is encompassed in one paragraph. I would suggest creating a separate section for NTD's Production History, listing the show titles and directors. You have famous actors at the bottom of the paragraph but you could incorporate those in a separate section.

Additionally adding a section about the type of work they do. You said their mission but it might benefit you to expand on the genre of work, what Storytelling methods do they use? (ABC Stories? Personification? etc?) Etoppo (talk) 16:28, 19 March 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Etoppo (talk • contribs)

• Thanks for the input Etoppo! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:20, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

National Theatre of the Deaf

Hello Jullian,

Good job on your series of edits to National Theatre of the Deaf. Thanks for doing incremental edits, and also for adding an edit summary for each one. (Don't be afraid to use more detailed explanations in the edit summary when that makes sense, but I think your usage here was fine.)

Here's a tip about reusing references which will make things easier for you, as well as for other editors coming in after you by using named references. When you use the same reference twice, like you did here and here with www.ntd.org/ntd_mission.html, instead of entering the whole reference twice, just enter it once, and give it a name, for example: <ref name="mission">{{cite web |url=http://www.ntd.org/ntd_mission.html |title= National Theatre of the Deaf MISSION |publisher=ntd.org |accessdate=2018-04-19}}</ref> and then the second time you want to cite the same reference, just do this: <ref name="mission" /> (note the slash before the end angle bracket; that's important!). See WP:NAMEDREFS for details. If you're doing this with a book, as long as the two references are for the same copy of the same book, you can use a named reference even if the page numbers of the two citations are different; see Template {{rp}} for more on that.

Hope this helps, keep up the good work, and I hope you'll stay on as an editor, even after your class is over! Mathglot (talk) 19:37, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Feedback on the National Theatre of the Deaf article

Thank you for the tips on creating named references with pages. The reference section is much improved due to your recommendations.Jullian Drews (talk) 03:21, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

You're welcome. The article is much improved since you started your round of changes. There's still some other things that need attention, in particular, the lead needs to be redone following the guidelines at WP:LEAD.

Before your edits, the article consisted of one fat, wall-of-text paragraph. There was no lead and no article body, the whole article was just a stub. Now, after your edits, the body is sectioned and looks great, but what sits on top of the first section header, which is by definition the "lead", still consists of that original fat paragraph, more or less. When it was the whole article, it was fine; but now, it's not fine, because due to its position on top, it has become the lead by definition; however, the lead has a different purpose than a stub article.

The lead needs to identify the topic and summarize the body of the article with appropriate weight. In addition, snce the lead is merely an intro and summary, it does not contain any unique information, that is, there is nothing new in the lead that is not mentioned in more detail in the body lower down. Please have a look at MOS:INTRO. Finally, since the lead is a summary of material already mentioned in more detail in the body, where it is already referenced with citations to reliable sources, you don't have to place any footnotes in the lead, because they article should already have them lower down. (In the case of very controversial topics where you're going to get a fight from someone on every word you write, it's wise to put footnotes in the lead as well; but this is not one of those topics.)

One trick I do sometimes to avoid a complete rewrite of a former stub into a new lead section, is to just stick a section header on top of the old stub paragraph—you can title it something like "Introduction", or "Overview", or "Background" or whatever makes sense. Then, on top of that, write a new lead from scratch, following the guideline, summarizing the whole content of the article in in proportion to its significance in the body. Given the length of the article as it stands, probably a couple of paragraphs is enough, but no more than four. Pay particular attention to MOS:LEADSENTENCE and MOS:LEADPARAGRAPH, and you don't need to add footnotes, as long as the material you are summarizing is already footnoted (and if it isn't, the footnotes belong in the body, not here).

So, if you can fix up the lead per the guideline, that would be great. You're doing great, keep it up. When your class is over, I hope you'll decide to stick around just for fun, because we can use more volunteers like you. Cordially, Mathglot (talk) 07:32, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

• Mathglot: Thank you for the encouragement to finish up the semester's work on this article by editing what was the sole existing paragraph initially to make it into a proper wiki lead paragraph. Hopefully, it is more appropriate now that I have made many significant changes. User:Jullian Drews (talk) 19:20, 06 May 2018 (UTC)

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