User talk:KHS-Boab
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Some very useful topics about Wiki Civility (Here or once there, best viewed with PopUps On! :), for new users like me to keep in mind, as I have been learning in the last few weeks; as well as things here that long-term users may find worth brushing up on occasionally! In particular, this is about... "The Basics" - We must learn how to be civil on the wiki bureaucracy, and to Compromise. Accepting other users is crucial and we all have a duty and yes, you have the right to enjoy yourself within the bounds of the wiki honor system, so keep saying thanks, thank you and there should be no need for an apology. If things get hot, better to call a truce, then forgive and forget, even when there are supposed to be no vested contributors while at times it may appear there are, then keep staying cool when the editing gets hot, even if there has been overzealous deletion or content removal etc. etc. etc., happening then try adopting a quieter role and always assume good faith to avoid any divisiveness.
Philosophy - Many more here but remember We don't own Wikipedia - KHS-Boab 18:25, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
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From the southern climes. Havent been checking your edits - but hey anything with a question and throw them this way - only too pleased to help... 12:21, SatuSuro 12:58, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
- Actually - have a look at the changes I have made at the deakin article - project details on the talk page, categories of the region, and very important - good WP:RS that are third party (Trove is always a good place to look for em ) - hope you dont mind the ffedback :) SatuSuro 12:58, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
Make sure you sure what you have on the whyndam one is good mate or me name is mud - cheers SatuSuro 22:17, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
- OK Thanks "1" - I am sure it will as this was a valid boab prison tree - Have corrected spelling to "Wyndham" on the Boab Prison Tree disambiguation and Boab Prison Tree, Derby pages. Cheers KHS-Boab (talk) 05:30, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Are you in Broome? Grateful for some photos – The Cultured Pearl and Hard Hat Diver Monument in Carnarvon Street, for List of public art in Western Australia. If not no worries. Moondyne (talk) 08:03, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
- Hello Moondyne - Satu is right about my location - Unfortunately KHS only has a few images of Broome (See http://www.flickr.com/photos/khs-museum/collections/72157625849162917/) - Cheers KHS-Boab (talk) 11:42, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
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but just take care with repeated info - either links or whatever - as some say 'once is enough'... SatuSuro 13:27, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
- Have actually been going back and removing some of these. So yes! Will take care in future with 'once is enough' in mind - Cheers! KHS-Boab (talk) 13:36, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
[1] You can edit your watchlist: Up the top of the watchlist screen and just underneath "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia", there's 3 links:
- (Display watched changes | View and edit watchlist | Edit raw watchlist). Moondyne (talk) 01:16, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
Or, you could setup a separate watchlist page, like this. Moondyne (talk) 01:27, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks Moondyne - Awesome array of pages there and nicely organised, will take a closer look to see how it's done. I had been using the first method but this made it just one less click to get to the linked pages. Thanks again for the tips!
If it helps any, I am currently seeing the TOC at page-right. :) -- WikHead (talk) 20:29, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
- Howdy WikHead no I was actually trying to put tocrights straight after each heading so that from anywhere in the doc you have access to all the other hyperlinked HEADINGS on the page.
Could do it manually like I have concocted here for the hyperlinked level 2 headings on this page but it would be nice to see this in a nice tocright style box - if you see what I mean. KHS-Boab (talk) 21:05, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
- LOL, and here I am thinking that your browser wasn't showing you all the goods ;). Sorry I misunderstood what you were trying to do. I don't believe I've ever seen a page styled the way you want it... but that's not to say that it can't be done. WP:MAGIC would probably be the resource for such a thing. I wish I could be of more help. -- WikHead (talk) 21:29, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for the link to Help:Magic words Had hoped that __TOC__ might work - and it did!, but because I was editing just this section it was only showing that single heading (26th parallel south) when I clicked "Preview" - So when I clicked "Save" - Here it is!
[Using
to Force a TOC elsewhere in the document. - Added this code note - 4/4/2012 KHS-Boab 16:34, 4 February 2012 (UTC)]
KHS-Boab (talk) 22:24, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
Now need to check on customising it a bit - Excellent! Thanks again for the advice! KHS-Boab (talk) 22:32, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
Appears to only work ONCE on the page though so that is not what I wanted after all. KHS-Boab (talk) 22:49, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
After some research I think I have found the easiest solution, which appears to be acceptable on wik - the following...
By using [[#toc|Contents]]
So by placing this at the end of each section the user can easily navigate within the page without endless scrolling.
IMHO this should be made standard on all long pages, with many sections. Try going section to section within this talk page to test, I reckon it is the best remedy, what are your thoughts? KHS-Boab 16:34, 4 February 2012 (UTC) (Feel free to Edit and answer here >> )
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could be here or offline - up to you - got a true north pamhplet inthe mail last week and realise that most of the places that it goes to alongthe coast are not in wikipedia or carrpy stubs short of reasnable info - so here o \r there - whenever - cheers (bet we are hotter than wyndhammeatworks site at the moment here in perth :) SatuSuro 04:09, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
best start point is List of pastoral leases in Western Australia and the related category SatuSuro 09:11, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
despite the great number links - no WP:RS - otherwise it needs work - well done SatuSuro 00:18, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
- well worth avoiding http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_humor SatuSuro 07:29, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
- even more so http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Drop_the_stick_and_back_slowly_away_from_the_horse_carcass
- or the template of baddies on the bottom of this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Don%27t_stuff_beans_up_your_nose SatuSuro 07:34, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Satu for the comments (I think? ;^)- Enough here to keep one sane on wiki - I particularly like "Drop the Stick! ..." and the Civility template!... I have just written below a new compulsory sign-on read from part of it. KHS-Boab 18:23, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_exploration_of_Australia Section 2 - could be a separate article more or less and has the germ of being a more extensive article with a bigger table, and more detail SatuSuro 07:39, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks Suro - Could well be a way to even just get this started. KHS-Boab 07:10, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
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Mauritius (1618) or Mauritius (1618) or page Mauritius (1618 ship)[edit]
Yes, a page can be deleted and one of the ways is putting {{db-author}}. But I think the Mauritius (1618) is a possible search for viewers and will take to them the current page, Mauritius (1618 ship). SwisterTwister talk 20:57, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
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- Yes go ahead and delete it! (figured out how to put it on Commons)
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I would like to ask any wiki users who read this, whether the users on wiki are adaptable enough to widen their views and be accepting of allowing use of Wikipedia Intra Document Navigation (WIDN - Pronounced Widen)[1], within a wiki page.
WID'Ning Wiki[edit]
I have only seriously been using wiki for about a month, but come from a html coding background and have studied the W3C specifications, since 1996. In web pages I have often used links within the title of a section that propel the user instantly to the place, as I will do to this page, for interests sake, then I will go and search the wiki bureaucracy for the protocol for wiki wp:links in titles. - WIP?
I have just checked this and the MOS:HEAD stated as follows.
Headings should not normally contain links, especially where only part of a heading is linked.
This implies that it is ok to link the entire heading, though this is not "normal". I would like to see this change, for functionality sake, to normalise section heading links across Wikipedia.
Another interesting point picked up from the same article (Wikipedia:Manual of Style - "Section headings" section or MOS:HEAD), is the fact that "invisible" html notes, are allowed in titles, and encouraged for noting section headings that are linked from other article, to avoid breaking the link if changed, as follows.
Before changing a section heading, consider whether you might be breaking existing links to that section. If there are many links to the old section title, create an anchor with that title to ensure that the links still work. Similarly, when linking to a section of an article, leave a [sic - an] invisible comment at that section, specifying the names of the linking articles so that if the title is altered, others can fix the links. For example:
==Evolutionary implications<!--This section is linked from [[Richard Dawkins]] and [[Daniel Dennett]]-->==
eg. this code ====This title is OK<!-- html Notes with links eg. Linked from [[#WID'Ning Wiki|WID'Ning Wiki]] -->==== produces - This title is OK below.
This title is OK[edit]
or even better...
eg. this code ====[[This title is OK too<!-- html Notes with links eg. Linked from [[#WID'Ning Wiki|WID'Ning Wiki]] -->|This title is OK too==== produces - This title is OK too below.
This title is OK too[edit]
Any thoughts as testing on this page re title headings as WIDN links - If titles are generally not "acceptable" in wiki, but do work (meaning there are none?/very few links in titles), then this could amost be implemented from within the meta wiki code, I'd Imagine! IE. Each Title is a referenced link (From outside or within the page), so titles may be automagically linked somehow (from within the meta wiki MediaWiki code?), with no user intervention, such as shown here in this article.
[Having only had a quick look investigation of Meta Wiki MediaWiki during research for this topic, and only since Jan.16 2012 - I like what I see there and will be back to gain a better understanding - Even though I'd never seen meta wiki MediaWiki code parts looked vaguely "familiar" through other coding in the past]
IE by making all titles links to themselves. In html I accomplish this by use of the hash tag (#) within the name attribute of the Anchor (A) element. I was pleased to find the "#" anchor as part of wiki BTW.
eg. - In a html document.
<h2><a name=href="#Test Anchor" name="Test Anchor">Test Anchor</a></h2>
[Would only work by replacing the space in "Test Anchor" with an underscore, in wiki, but the space works in html as it is within the literals (").[2]
It seems that they have blocked the use of HTML links in Section Headings via meta wiki MediaWiki and if that is the case it is understandable, and would be no doubt due to good reasons.
It is interesting to find that on a wiki page it is even easier! as I have just tested here on the 1st title of this page and it works perfectly - Now I will change all titles on this page to test. Try navigating using a combination of the "Contents" link and the "Section Titles," to test the idea to WIDN Wiki!
On wiki adding title anchors is as easy as
eg. ==[[#Wiki Title|Wiki Title]]==
This is even easier on the same page, than linking to section links within other wiki pages, as on the page that a #link resides on, there is no need to add "underscores" to replace "spaces" in the titles, as would be the case when linking to this from another page.
IE. To work from another page the link above would need to be
eg. [[User talk:KHS-Boab#Wiki_Title|Wiki Title]]
so natively, with the addition of [[# & | ]] the title can be hyperlinked. As long as each title is unique in name it will work - AFAICT
====[[#New Title|New Title]]====
New Title[edit]
This all stems from the conversation above 26th parallel south (Starting on January 16 2012), which was about looking for solutions to (WIDN), as follows.
After some research I think I have found the easiest solution, which appears to be acceptable on wik - the following...
By using [[#toc|Contents]]
So by placing this at the end of each section the user can easily navigate within the page without endless scrolling.
IMHO this should be made standard on all long pages, with many sections. Try going section to section within this talk page to test, I reckon it is the best remedy, what are your thoughts? KHS-Boab 16:34, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
The above was written prior to modifying titles on this page with links.
Not only does adding an internal hyperlink to a title add functionality it can also be used in combination with other external page wikilinks and does not break. Consider this title (Go to it and take a look - click the links) Mauritius (1618) or Mauritius (1618) or page Mauritius (1618 ship) and try the links from there (This amazed me!:).
Do any other regular wiki users have any thoughts on WIDeNing these basic navigation concepts on wiki?
No doubt if I just started doing this on wiki pages, I'd expect there will be opposition (until they dragged themselves into the 21st century and actually could see the use in it! ;^) What is needed is a concensus but how? This could bring a much greater functionality to such a progressive platform as Wikipedia, and once people start using it they might wonder how they did without it? - This is all my own personal opinion but hopefully can be seen to be valid and in a positive light. KHS-Boab 20:07, 4 February 2012 (UTC) Please free to Edit and answer here - Any all comments feedback welcome!
- Contents or Next - WikHead Comments
WikHead Comments[edit]
- Hi Boab, thank you for your message. I'm not sure I fully understand your question(s), but in Wikipedia, every section on a page is automatically encoded with an anchor... and in wiki-markup, to link to that anchor, you would type something like this: [[Article title#Section name]]. Additional anchors can be placed within an article using the {{anchor}} tag, and linked to in the same manner. You may also find the {{fake heading}} template useful. From my understanding, H1, H2, etc. should not be used in your markup, as those are automatically inserted into the output when "=" wiki-headings are used. See WP:HEAD for details on their use. I hope this helps address some of your questions. -- WikHead (talk) 21:26, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for the comments and yes all you said I understand. The main point is by using the Contents links provided on this page (at the end of each section) and section headings with self links helps to improve navigation through the (or indeed any) document IMHO (Try it within this page).KHS-Boab 22:36, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
- Ah, so this directly relates again, to your desire to find a quick and dirty way of having multiple tables of contents on a single page. I wish I could be of more help on that topic, but don't believe I've ever seen an article styled that way... I even continued to look for additional follow-up after we had last discussed it. I'm guessing that you may need to write a custom template to do this. -- WikHead (talk) 23:04, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
- Yes it does directly relate to that! Interesting that you kept looking for a solution, and so did I! Well I am actually now convinced that the solution that I am using here is the way to go, as the toc is the "accepted" and in use as a one off link table in the document, then why not use it, via the Contents links, as I have here. The idea of having all section headings linked (as I have done on this page) also improves functionality [eg. you get towards the of a browser pageful of info and you see just ahead (at bottom of the browser window) the next Section Heading (linked), Click on it and it instantly takes that to the top of the browser window (instead of scroll scroll with scroll wheel on the mouse, often multiple times). Anything that creates less work, such as the need to scroll versus an opportunity to click to achieve similar ends, that saves time and effort (repetitive strain injury), is of benefit. The beauty of this method is that it is so simple to implement and is stable and it seems is not totally out of the question, as far as rules go (see above re MOS:HEAD), but more a matter of becoming a "normality." I believe that Wiki could greatly benefit by making this a standard practise, to have all section headings to be automatically made (by the system) into links. So nothing would change for wiki users. I am going to try it on a real wiki page and see if it is accepted, will send you the link. Cheers KHS-Boab 23:44, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
- ^ [My own abbr. for referring to this in wiki KHS-Boab ]
- ^ [See the W3C specifications] at http://www.w3c.org/
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