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LInks within quotes

You seem to feel there was something "original" in discouraging links within quotes, over at American way. Per MOS:QUOTE, "As much as possible, avoid linking from within quotes, which may clutter the quotation, violate the principle of leaving quotations unchanged, and mislead or confuse the reader." --Nat Gertler (talk) 13:11, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Inasmuch hyperlinks in general tend to confuse a reader, because they alway tend to hinder the reading flow, I would concede. This is, however, a problem that should not impact the general wikiway and would perhaps better be solved via more ergonomic and user-friendly formatting. A totally different issue would be a semantic divergence introduced by misleading hyperlinking; I do in general try to take care that nothing like this happens. Thanks for being open to discussion anyway! -- Kku 13:19, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

If you want to change the guidelines, I'm not the one to be facing it with, as I did not formulate the guidelines nor am I frequently involved in MOS discussions. To me, there's a more general problem that by wikilinking within a quotation we are effectively providing interpretation of that quotation, and may be doing so in a way that may not be accurate; by wikilinking, we're implying that the speaker has the same interpretation of the wikilinked phrase as we do. I don't mean that this is often a problem in more blatant cases, where we quote someone as saying that he loves Sam Adams and he meant the beer, not the person we linked to; it's more frequently a problem where the difference is subtle, where we might have an article that has a scholarly analysis of a term (say "American way") but the speaker was not coming from the same base of scholarly knowledge, or even from scholarly knowledge at all, but a rougher personal understanding. (For a simple example, quoting someone from millennia ago talking about "stars", and linking to our page on the glowing gasblobs in space... when at the time, a "star" was simply a light in the sky, and there was not differentiation between what we now consider stars and what we deem planets.) --Nat Gertler (talk) 13:52, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

I get your point entirely. As I said - I customarily try to make sure that this does not happen. If it did - and I assume meticulous analysis from my side in advance of editing and a certain minimum intellectual background of the quote's author - wouldn't we be dealing with a quote that contains an implicit lie, since we tend to believe that a <lemma_x (context_y)> was intended to mean lemma x in context y instead of some other lemma or context? Wouldn't it be better then to rather get rid of the quote altogether in a timely fashion unless clear indicators of the factual contradiction are introduced? I leave these questions here as a nice reason for pondering. Plus, as a rule, I try to keep aloof from matters like MOS or any ugly WP abbr. that comes my way. Wikipedia changes faster than any manual entry about it does. -- Kku 14:10, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

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Thank you for pointing out. Since my latest edit did NOT involve reverting a previous edit, I do not think that any of your criteria apply here. You do seem to have a very decided opinion, though. Conflict of interest? Excuse me for using Daily Mail. I will find something different. I just hope you are not trying to tell me that there is a good reason for denying Big Pharma involvement. -- Kku 10:54, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Links in quotes

I undid your edit at Indigo children. When you made a link to Big Pharma you created a link to a disambiguation page. Links to disambiguation pages in article space are usually considered to be errors (because they are ambiguous) and are usually corrected by finding the appropriate entry at the disambiguation page and using that link instead. In this case, however, your link was added in the middle of a quotation and we generally don't want to place links in quotations. See MOS:LINKSTYLE item #4.

I see that there's some other business going on about Big Pharma, so I'll just leave this note about what I did at Indigo children. jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:00, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

News coverage listed at Redirects for discussion

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News coverage listed at Redirects for discussion

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Copyright problem on TVI Pacific

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Proposed deletion of ILO-Motorenwerke

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You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions.

Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:01, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for prompting me. I think it is already improving. -- Kku (talk) 14:35, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Kappe

• I'm puzzled why a page like Kappé International would be started since there's actually no serious claims of significance by our WP:CSD policy. Please also note that Wikipedia is not a business webhost. SwisterTwister talk 22:14, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
  • I'm puzzled how you fail to open a new talk page section to patronizingly remind me of things I have been well aware of before you. I am not in any way personally involved with the subject or the company, so I probably shouldn't mind. It is at times like these, however that I often wonder how every kind of lowlevel pop-cultural crap is gladly maintained on WP but when it comes to other serious topics all of a sudden people appear to be terribly worried about disk space. A postfactual Trump-era effect, maybe? -- Kku (talk) 23:24, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

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Ten Year Society

Based on the statements on your user page, I think you are eligible for the Wikipedia:Ten Year Society. You might want to consider it. DES ^(talk) 23:17, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Practopoiesis

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