User talk:LauraSchmitz20

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A.T. Still University

Please, please, please stop. The edits you are doing to this article contain copyrighted text. Further, some of the text violates our neutral point of view guideline. You are being paid for this editing, and doing so has strong potential to run amok of our conflict of interest guideline. I'll say again...writing about subjects with which you are closely affiliated is difficult. It can be done, but great care must be taken. This is not the way to do it. Would you please discuss this? Please? --Hammersoft (talk) 19:14, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

We just want to have the correct information for A.T. Still University. It doesn't matter who edits the content whether that is Fabcom or ATSU or whoever else. The article is most useful with the most updated and relevant information, right? Unless someone else knows this esoteric information and is willing to make a exoteric, then someone familiar with A.T. Still University is bound to be responsible for the update. Please see http://adage.com/article/digital/top-pr-firms-edit-wikipedia-sly/293634/ as our goal is to have the most updated, correct information for this University while complying with Wikipedia's terms of use. LauraSchmitz20 (talk) 19:25, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

I also see that the article is flagged as an advertisement. What are the steps that we can take to fix that flag? Do you need someone's permission from ATSU that we are their advertising partner? Please let me know how to go forward. Thank you.

• Having the most updated information does not mean that we add content that is not neutral. It also does not mean that we add content that is copied from another site on the Internet, which you have done. I understand (correct me if I'm wrong) that FabCom is editing on behalf of ATSU, but that does not mean that the information being copied from their site(s) is available to us under a free license. If (more on that in a second) we were to use such content, we would have to have a release of it to use it here. Otherwise, we have to assume the information is copyrighted and unusable here. Please see WP:COPYREQ about this. Even if we have release, the information being copied and pasted here is usually going to be non-neutral, and would need to be rewritten anyway to have a neutral tone. Lastly, while you are adding references to these passages, they are using primary sources which can cause problems. If some particular fact about an institution is notable, it is likely that something appears in secondary sources which covers it. Primary sources such as the ones used are effectively marketing sources, and as such aren't terribly useful in an encyclopedia article about the institution. We are not a business directory. I'm sorry this is so difficult, but these are the troubles we frequently bump into when a person closely affiliated with a subject attempts to write about that subject. This may come as a shock, but at Wikipedia are interested in what is verifiable, not what is true. See WP:TRUTH. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:01, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. I really appreciate it. I will try to re-write the content so that it doesn't contain information that is written like an advertisement. Is there anyway that you could help me with what needs to be deleted in order to not have it flagged? It looks like someone had last edited the page in July 2014. LauraSchmitz20 (talk) 21:16, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

In response to your latest message on my talk page; There are still some serious issues with the nature of some of your edits to the ATSU article. I note the following:

• [1] Here, you say "offers comprehensive and compassionate healthcare". This is nothing short of advertising copy. Comprehensive? By what standards? Who sets those standards? What secondary sources support this assertion. "Compassionate" is completely subjective, and inappropriate for an encyclopedia article.
• [2] "recognized as the only museum dedicated to the national history of osteopathic medicine"? Recognized by who? Again, what secondary sources support this assertion? You've referenced a primary source. That's akin to saying "We're the best because we say we're the best". That does not work in an encyclopedia article.
• [3] "training dedicated, motivated, and qualified community-minded doctors" reads, again, as advertising copy. This is something you'd expect to find in a brochure published by the entity about which it glowingly reports. And of course again there's a primary source to support it.

You've asserted several times now that you want "only true facts" on the article. I remind you again that we are not interested in what is true. We are interested in what is verifiable. Please read and thoroughly understand Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth. It is also very important that the encyclopedia be written from a neutral point of view. I strongly, strongly, strongly recommend you read WP:NOPAY. You are being paid to edit on behalf of ATSU and are editing their article. This is seriously problematic, and doing so will almost always lead to serious problems with the text of the article. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:02, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Co-op

Hi there! LauraSchmitz20, you are invited to The Co-op, a gathering place for editors where you can find mentors to help you build and improve Wikipedia. If you're looking for an editor who can help you out, please join us! I JethroBT (I'm a Co-op mentor) This message was delivered automatically by your robot friend, HostBot (talk) 17:10, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Mentorship

Hello Laura,

I noticed that you asked to be mentored under "Writing" at the Co-op. What would you like to learn? (You can reply here on your talk page)

Regards, Soni (talk) (Previously TheOriginalSoni) 17:11, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

I would like like to know what I can do to make the A. T. Still University page not be flagged as an LauraSchmitz20 (talk) 17:13, 8 April 2015 (UTC)advertisement and have that removed. What suggestions do you have or would you be able to help me rewrite the content so that it's a neutral view of the University? Thanks.

Remove Advertisement Flag from AT Still University Page

(talk), I'm currently working on how to correctly edit the content on the A.T. Still University page to not have the page be flagged as an advertisement. I would greatly appreciate any help regarding this issue, specifically what content we need to delete in order to remove the flag. I have tried multiple times to edit the content and remove content that I feel is written as an advertisement and it shortly after is deleted or changed back to the original content.

As an advertising agency on behalf of ATSU we want the page to contain only true facts regarding the University and it's entities. Wikipedia and ourselves both want the same result, I would just appreciate your help in getting to that point. Thank you in advance. LauraSchmitz20 (talk) 20:26, 15 April 2015 (UTC)