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Gavin Hardkiss (May 21)

Thanks for looking at my submission. The article that you referenced that was similar is not the same as my submission.

That general Hardkiss article is regarding three people namely Gavin Bieber, Robert Cameron and Scott Friedel.

The Gavin Hardkiss submission is for one individual.

It would be like suggesting than Ringo Starr change the Beatles page.

Would you consider reviewing again?

Thanks.

Gavareli (talk) 00:48, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Per WP:NBAND we usually cover band members in the band article unless conditions are met. Where someone/something is already covered and the article gets too long we have WP:SPINOUT. If Ringo Starr was only notable/well known for being part of the Beetles absolutely he would not have a standalone page. There are a number of good practical reasons for this policy. Legacypac (talk) 01:08, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

17:46:39, 23 May 2018 review of submission by Robertvosscbe


Herewith many articles verifying this entry. ALL other Lord-Lieutenants of Herfrdoshire have been given Wikipedia page... See various articles: https://lord-lieutenant-herts.org.uk/ https://www.gov.uk/government/news/lord-lieutenant-of-hertfordshire-robert-voss https://www.thejc.com/.../retired-trader-honoured-by-lord-lieutenant-post-1.443055 www.whtimes.co.uk/.../lord-visits-welwyn-garden-city-secondary-school-1-5504937 https://www.brocket-hall.co.uk/news-and-media/news.../lord-lieutenant-s-reception www.hertsad.co.uk/.../the-queen-appoints-descendant-of-refugees-from-nazi-germanyessexstar.co.uk/new-lord-lieutenant-of-hertfordshire-announced www.recyclingtoday.com/article/bir-voss-british-commander-honors/ www.bir.org/news.../recycling-industry-leader-honoured-by-the-queen-of-england/ Robertvosscbe (talk) 17:46, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

You wrote two sentences about yourself and provided one ref. I can't approve that. It's not an article. Legacypac (talk) 01:12, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Rate of review

Seven approvals in ten minutes. I could see that rate for declines, but I genuinely think that you're not doing your due diligence when reviewing. Please slow down. I don't care if the backlog is 10 or 1000, we don't need to be reviewing pages that quickly. Primefac (talk) 15:49, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Oh I see now you tried to cover your butt before taking an unacceptable admin action. Just saw this while catching up on my talkpage. Legacypac (talk) 01:15, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Terufumi Sasaki

Deleting this draft through the back door while it was being discussed at the Teahouse was not helpful. Please don't do that again. Some editors think that a stand-alone article is warranted. If so, at least we should have the draft available in draft space for reference. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:26, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

I was not aware of any tea house discussion. Are you in the habit of searching tea house before handling a draft. I did what you [1] suggested on your review. Look through the page history. Legacypac (talk) 01:20, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Response to all your comments/observations regarding Kopparapu Poets

For all Users and Administrators: User: Legacypac and Robert McClenon and User: Discospinster This note is in response to all your comments on my draft: Kopparapu Poets or Literary Duo: Kopparapu poets. While the former is found in the sandbox as a redirected draft, the second one is found in the edit summary/contributions page. Though the two drafts are having different heads, the content is same. In fact, I have summoned my colleague in English department yesterday night; he sat down on my laptop and edited the text. After his clearing it, I moved it into article space. Then a set of four notices flashed on the article page stating that the draft was under the finishing stage of review and should not have been moved to article space--Inform author. Probaly due to this all edits could have got undone. Thus User: Robert McClenon could not find any edits carried out by my fellow academic from English dept.

We are all academics in English and communication department in a reputed University in India, and keep writing to national and international journals in English. Yet with all humility we accept your suggestions and follow them.

With regard to the comments of User: Discospinster, I have a simple answer. All of you may kindly read a similar piece available in the English Wikipedia on Tirupati Venkata Kavulu and find out whether the comments/observations that you have made on my draft Kopparapu Poets applies to it? Also kindly examine whether the article Tirupati Venkata Kavulu is well sourced with independently available references? Whether the article Tirupati Venkata Kavulu is not written in praise of them? Was it written neutrally totally? It is interesting to note that for similar articles/write ups different yardsticks have been applied by reviewers be they the editors or the administrators. Same questions are posed again and again by different editors. For instance I have clarified that an identical piece in Telugu is already available in Telugu Wikipedia on Kopparapu Poets entitled as Kopparapu Sodara Kavulu [1]. In keeping with a call from Wikipedia English, I have written about same poets in English wikipedia. However, all of you kindly read this restponse at a time and arrive at a calculated decision whether to keep it?MUMACHA2203 (talk) 10:22, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://te.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B0%95%E0%B1%8A%E0%B0%AA%E0%B1%8D%E0%B0%AA%E0%B0%B0%E0%B0%AA%E0%B1%81_%E0%B0%B8%E0%B1%8B%E0%B0%A6%E0%B0%B0_%E0%B0%95%E0%B0%B5%E0%B1%81%E0%B0%B2%E0%B1%81
this is being discussed elsewhere. No need to discuss here Legacypac (talk) 01:21, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Eric Safka page

Hi - I went back and reviewed and fixed the links on the Eric Safka page and would like to know if it's ok now. I discovered the link to the album of the year was incorrect and have fixed that as well. Advice on how to make this better is always welcome. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EchoSound (talk • contribs) 13:38, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

I'll take a look. I prefer to keep discussion on the draft talkpage. Legacypac (talk) 01:25, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

19:33:20, 20 May 2018 review of submission by 109.145.42.244


Hi there, first off, thanks so much for reviewing the Apache Arrow article, I appreciate it.

The article has been declined as not notable, but in the references, Apache Arrow is mentioned in a number of reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. For example, InfoWorld has over 1 million monthly visitors. ZDNet has almost 40 million monthly visitors for its site alone. I won't go through each of the other sources, but they're all online periodicals with significant readership and influence. Could you help me understand what other sorts of things you'd need to see here to view this as notable? Thank you!

109.145.42.244 (talk) 19:33, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

I'm copying this to the Draft talk for the benefit of the next reviewer. Legacypac (talk) 01:28, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

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Your thoughts on New Pages Feed wireframes and copyvio

Hi Legacypac -- I know you're busy these days reviewing a lot of drafts (I've been watching the backlog number go down each day!) But I'm hoping we could get your thoughts and reactions to the update I posted on the New Pages Feed project page. There are some wireframes we've made to try to capture the conversation so far, and also some important open questions about how to implement copyvio detection. The WMF engineers are starting to write code, and I think your opinion will help give us direction. Thank you! -- MMiller (WMF) (talk) 22:27, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks - will see what I can add. Legacypac (talk) 22:34, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

On the fence if Behavioral Signals meets WP:CORPDEPTH

Hi! I would be so grateful for your help in understanding why there is a possible issue as to if Behavioral Signals meets Corpdepth guidelines. I read in these guidelines that "Wikipedia bases its decision about whether an organization is notable enough to justify a separate article on the verifiable evidence that the organization or product has attracted the notice of reliable sources unrelated to the organization or product." Behavioral Signals and/or its founders have been mentioned in articles in the New York Times, LA Times, Washington Post and other news sources which have featured emotion recognition and behavioral analytics. Companies, like Affectiva who do emotion recognition in faces, and Beyond Verbal, that analyze emotions from vocal intonations, have a corporate page. Behavioral Signals is in the emotions speech/voice industry, as is Beyond Verbal. We want to explain what is this new trend, especially in the age of conversational AI, voice assistants.

I would be grateful if you could help me in understanding ways I can make the Behavioral Signals page fit better to the Wikipedia guidelines.

ChessQueen1 (talk) 14:41, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Please put this information on the talkpage of the draft. A reviewer will find it quite helpful. Legacypac (talk) 14:44, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
User:ChessQueen1 - Your only edits have been made to the draft for Behavioral Signals and to inquire about its acceptance. Do you have a connection to Behavioral Signals? Robert McClenon (talk) 16:57, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
User:Robert McClenon - To answer your question, I know Behavioral Signals team. Is that an issue? I want to be objective and I believe what I have written is the truth. ChessQueen1 (talk) 18:52, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
User:ChessQueen1 - Your only edits are to Behavioral Signals and to have it accepted. When you say that you know the team, are you a member of the team? Or are you simply editing Wikipedia to help out your friends get their own page? Robert McClenon (talk) 14:31, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
User:Robert McClenon - My affiliation to the company shouldn't have any impact as to it getting a wikipedia page. I know the company very well and nothing that I have written is false. ChessQueen1 (talk) 09:10, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
User:ChessQueen1 - Yes, your affiliation is applicable to your efforts to get the company a Wikipedia page. It is important that what you have written is true, but we are also concerned with notability and neutrality, and conflict of interest editors may be biased. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:40, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

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Re:Draft:Hard Rain SoloistEnsemble

Hi Legacypac,

I am currently creating a page for the Hard Rain Soloist Ensemble and after reviewing the page you left the following advice:

"I'm not sure this would survive as a standalone article but would be ok as a new section in the institution's page"

Hard Rain itself is an independent organisation and does not belong to an institution. You suggested it belonged to the Crescent Arts Centre which it does not. They are artist in residence there but this is only a temporary fixture. I stress again, Hard Rain is completely independent. I have attached links to three organisations similar to Hard Rain that do have verified Wikipedia pages. After looking at these pages over several months I cannot understand why our page has been declined.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psappha_New_Music_Ensemble https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Musica_Viva https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da_Capo_Chamber_Players

What can I do to get Hard Rain's article verified?

Thanks for your help in advance,

Hannahm247 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hannahm247 (talk • contribs) 11:28, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

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I very much like the way you reorganized it, and I accepted it . DGG ( talk ) 16:17, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

20:43:46, 26 May 2018 review of submission by Richgnomielawn


Hi! Thank you for reviewing the page. I added some more articles, specifically one from the Dallas Morning News on the subject. Richgnomielawn (talk) 20:43, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

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Thank you!

Thanks Legacypac, for your help with the Arbonne Int'l page! I appreciate it! SunnyBoi (talk) 06:37, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Heera Sohal

It wasn't create-protected. The editor had already created a draft in draft space, so that if you tried to move the sandbox into draft space, it was blocked because there was already a page there. The two drafts are essentially the same, except that one version had its text hidden by mistake. I have declined one copy, and converted the other to a redirect to the declined draft. It wasn't create-protected, just a case of creating multiple copies of drafts. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:07, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Ok great. Legacypac (talk) 03:02, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
If you try to move a sandbox page into draft space and are blocked, it is much more common that it is just multiple copies of drafts than any sort of protection. Try to view the draft. In this case, the draft was malformed and appeared to be blank.
And Robert McClenon, this kind of thing is becoming a problem. I've recently come across a user (who ostensibly can't read English) who dumps poor, unsourced machine translations back in to main space which I had already moved to draft. In this instance, I deleted the draft and moved the mainspace version mainspace article back to draft. That is one way of legitimately deleting the mainspace piece, and the draft has not, in theory been deleted, because it has been replaced with the same original one. The only problem is that this action requires an admin. Thoughts? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:46, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
User:Kudpung - My thinking is that a page should only be draftified once. I have seen, and I strongly disapprove of, move-warring in which a submitter moves from draft to article, and other editors move from article to draft. That is the wrong answer. In that case, User:Legacypac and I agree that AFD is right. Draftifying should only be done as a courtesy to the author, and tendentious authors are not entitled to the courtesy and should get AFD or WP:CSD. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:58, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
You're missing the point here: 'user (who ostensibly can't read English) who dumps poor, unsourced machine translations back in to main space'. So you want to do the author the courtesy of letting an inappropriate stay in mainspace while it gets debated for another 7 days? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:38, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your kind assistance on my Draft:Tango Argentino (musical) --Mfrerich (talk) 20:08, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Super-short pages

After some prompting on IRC I added Category:Pending AfC submissions less than 450 bytes long to the pending submissions template to flag any templates <450 bytes, which should make for easy finding of sub-stubs that likely aren't properly referenced. Thought you might want to know (I know SQL has the dbase search, but this will update in real-time. Primefac (talk) 01:48, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Sounds useful thanks.Legacypac (talk) 02:09, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

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Request for review

Dear Legacypac, please if you could review my Draft:Susy Rottonara. The international awarded productions are supported by reliable sources. I have cancelled the references to the user's generated sources and I have substituded the reference to the publication on her own website with the link to the festival. I hope now it is ok. Thank you for your time and for your help. Best regards.Johannade57 (talk) 07:10, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

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Request for assistance on WP:OR issue on my article


Hi Legacypac!

Thank you for reviewing my article, I am extremely grateful for the feedback as I know I would learn a lot by the end of the day. I am still getting used to the wikipedia environment and the rules.

Please I have noted the concerns and I wish to get help to address it so my article will be accepted for it to go live. Kindly assist me to correct the the WP:OR issues raised.

Kindly help.


Thank you

Q-elements (talk) 08:54, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

RE: Request on 05:34:58, 30 May 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Teagleman

Hi Legacypac!

Thanks for your response. You mentioned you're having another reviewer look at this draft page for approval. Please advise if I should resubmit the page for the aforementioned further review or just hold tight till I hear back from the other reviewer? Again, thanks for your help! Tiffany

Teagleman (talk) 05:41, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

You must resubmit when you are ready Legacypac (talk) 08:37, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Tag categories

Hi Legacypac. Could you offer me advice in an area where I am blank? How do we handle tag categories such as those created by this editor and added to Model Livestock Advancement Foundation? Vacate and CSD or CFD? Thanks, Sam Sailor 07:48, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand the question. The categories look good on that page. Legacypac (talk) 08:39, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Request on 12:23:58, 31 May 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Wiki-Contributor BD



Wiki-Contributor BD (talk) 12:23, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vapour-phase-mediated_antimicrobial_activity

I read you "Copyvio checked ok with earwig tool" this page, but should this page not be removed or moved to another page? The reasons I have are: 1) it seems to be a a (spam) article/wikipedia page written by one of the authors of the papers mentioned 2) it uses pretty much the same 2 articles from the same first author (Feyaerts) 3) the last reference "Plant-derived volatiles may serve as future antifungals". Phys.org. March 9, 2018. Retrieved 2018-03-10." is nothing more but the same reference from Feyaerts et al (check the link, you can see it is written by the same authors again) 4) there are 2 references from other authors Novy P, Kloucek P, Rondevaldova J, Havlik J, Kourimska L, Kokoska L (April 2014). "Thymoquinone vapor significantly affects the results of Staphylococcus aureus sensitivity tests using the standard broth microdilution method". Fitoterapia. 94: 102–7. doi:10.1016/j.fitote.2014.01.024. PMID 24508861 and Bueno J (2015). "Models of evaluation of antimicrobial activity of essential oils in vapour phase: a promising use in healthcare decontamination". Natural Volatiles & Essential Oils. 2 (2). ISSN 2148-9637. However the first one Noby et al never mentioned the VMAA while it is used as a reference. And the second reference Bueno et al is a valid one, but it just talks about another approach (agar disk diffusion test) that is already mentioned on another wikipedia page. 5) this while page should be either moved or deleted because at the moment it is nothing but a term that is explained. The "term" itself (or process) in this page is supported by only 1 author (Feyaerts) that published 2 papers on it and the last reference on phys.org is again from the same author.

It seems that Feyaerts et al came up with this name (VMAA) and now want to put it out there, but should it be done like this? With a new article based on their papers? There are no secondary sources whatsoever. (Unsigned)

I've copied over to the page and answered there. Legacypac (talk) 14:18, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
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Review my page

Dear Legacypac, Hope you are doing great. Thanks you so much for your review on article Draft:Salma Sultana. I saw your comment, you wrote "She is not notable outside her organization and should not have a separate article at this point". However you may think like that but the real fact is she is the well known young changemaker in Bangladesh and a famous young entrepreneur. She is the first and only female veterinarian who is working for the community development through livestock sector in Bangladesh. She is fighting against the traditional custom. For her great contribution to the society she was awarded several times. So I think a separate article should be made on her. I have submitted this article with editing some portion and added some references. I hope you will review it again and leave a good comment. Thank you with regards Wiki-Contributor BD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki-Contributor BD (talk • contribs) 15:23, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

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I gave my opinion. You are better served including info about her on the organization page for now. Legacypac (talk) 15:47, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Yale student abortion art controversy

Regarding this, do I simply move the Yale student abortion art controversy article to what is currently a draft? Bus stop (talk) 14:11, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

No click Aliza Shvarts than click back to Aliza Shvarts at the top. Copy your article in from the draft. The work is attributed to you. You can put # (no space) REDIRECT Aliza Shvarts on the Draft and save it User:Bus stop Legacypac (talk) 14:28, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
I can't move it to Aliza Shvarts because that is already a redirect. I've already replaced the content. Bus stop (talk) 14:33, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
I just blanked the redirect for you. Just put your article on Aliza Shvarts Legacypac (talk) 14:38, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
He shouldn't do this AT ALL! He proposed this on talk, and (despite, or perhaps because of, many long repetitive posts) very clearly failed to pursuade most of the many editors who commented, so there is no consensus for this at all - he declined to follow my suggestion he should start a formal WP:RM. Johnbod (talk) 14:39, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
OK, I won't do that. Bus stop (talk) 14:45, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
I don't know anything about that. The normal thing to do is edit over a redirect with a trivial history. Legacypac (talk) 14:50, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
Johnbod may be right and I've taken his advice and started a move request on the article talk page. Thanks to all. Bus stop (talk) 15:01, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
(ec) Understood - in fact the "Yale" article was apparently created as a bio in 2008, then deleted at AFD and somehow re-created as Yale student abortion art controversy (not sure of the precise hiostory here, but presumably this was agreed), which people seemed happy with until just recently). Since we have a draft bio of decent quality created, despite a number of editors having objected to that at "Yale" talk, possibly the best way forward is to set that up as an article and start an AfD to test the current feeling. Johnbod (talk) 15:03, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
WP:AfC does not need to wade into this at all. My opinion is the Yale article is very poorly named. Legacypac (talk) 15:49, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Request on 22:42:16, 31 May 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Nikhil1115


Hey, I have just received a rejection message on my Wikipedia article. I believe, every information that I added came from a reliable source. The newspaper-like independent or Irishtimes had fully covered every story.

Also, there is nothing promotional and fake. It is fully based on substantial information that I have found online. If you specifically want me to improve the referencing, please advise on what you think is not reliable/verifiable.

Nikhil1115 (talk) 22:42, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

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See my comments on the DRAFT Legacypac (talk) 22:43, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Joshua Boyle

Draft is here. JoshuaBoyleIsAwesome (talk) 23:54, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) There is an existing article about Boyle at Kidnapping of Joshua Boyle and Caitlan Coleman. Nevermind, I see from your contribs you know that, never mind me. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 00:03, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
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A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
Thanks again for accepting my article on Dann-Jacques Mouton Barry Ne (talk) 03:50, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Request on 23:14:35, 31 May 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Nikhil1115


Hi Legacypac,

Thanks very much for the recent review. I have seen your message on company's talks page. I will delete redundant references. Will add a bit about the statement '3rd party' independent websites made for the company with references.

Let me have some time to edit the content. There are few redundant links that can be removed and others which are mentioned may be employed better with some statements that I can use on Wikipedia article.

If reliable and verifiable, will that possibly solve the issue?

Thanks,

Nikhil Nikhil1115 (talk) 23:14, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Hey Legacypac,

I edited the draft. Put in extra bits garnered from different sources. I used company links to show their shipping policies and the way they takes their order. Apart from this — removes redundant links and references as well.

If you may kindly have a look at it for the review? I’d highly thankful to you. Nikhil1115 (talk) 18:09, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Sorry there are few typos here. I am travelling :) Nikhil1115 (talk) 18:11, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

I can change that to ‘Private’. And as far as links are concerned, they are different links for their country specific websites. I can remove all and can allow one main website on the infobox. Nikhil1115 (talk) 18:20, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

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Talk pages

It would probably be best if we adopted an informal interaction ban between us. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:01, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Why in the world would we need that? But hey if you want to bring your own conduct to ANi let me know. Legacypac (talk) 21:22, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
Well, let's put it this way: I get nothing but negative vibes from you, and prefer not to interact with you anymore. And I assume the feeling is pretty much mutual. As for ANI, that is off my radar, and I intend to keep it that way. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:25, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
We have little interaction and I don't having any bad feelings toward you. I just find some of your behavior problematic. Legacypac (talk) 21:49, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
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since no one else cares carry on. Legacypac (talk) 18:36, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Request on 06:38:16, 1 June 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Jules Kos


Hi, I have just seen the drafts I made have been declined due to :Thank you for your submission, but the subject of this article already exists in Wikipedia. You can find it and improve it at Flight Design CT instead. The point is that the Flight Design CT page should not contain the descriptions of all the models produced by the manufacturer because it will create confusion and in general will be hard to read. Especially that there are 2 separate pages for this company models, such as Flight Design MC and Flight Design C4. SO it makes sense to have also Flight design CTLS, Flight Design CTSW and Flight Design CT Supralight cause it's not the same.

Thanks for looking into it. Jules Kos (talk) 06:38, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

User:Jules Kos the reality is these titles exist as are redirects and the models are covered on one page. If you want to split them up as an editorial decision you will need to overwrite the redirects to provide amd remove those modals from the family of models page. An AfC reviewer is not toing to do all that for you. If you need help try posting on the talk page of the existing page about the family of models for interested editors to assist. Legacypac (talk) 06:45, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

How to overwrite the redirects? I have asked support yesterday, and I was told that it's done by a reviewer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jules Kos (talk • contribs) 07:35, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

I don't know who you asked but spliting a page up is not something we do at AfC. Overwriting a redirect is simply putting actual article content on the page and deleting the Redirect text part. Legacypac (talk) 07:38, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
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Dear Legacypac, I also got the page "Model Livestock Advancement Foundation" has been deleted by Sam Sailor. I don't understand why he/she finds espacial interest on this page to delete. However, thanks for your comment and I will do rework on the organization page after getting some free times. Regards, Wiki-Contributor BD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shann editor (talk • contribs) 19:19, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Claimed copyright infringement that did not come up in my checks. I can't see a deleted page so I can't verify that claim. Legacypac (talk) 19:29, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

ANI

Just so you know, I have proposed that you be topic banned from posting to ANI because of your recent behavior. This includes closing a thread that proposed sanctions against you. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 23:11, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

That is absurd Legacypac (talk) 02:02, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

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Questions about declination of a Page that I have created

The page that I have created with Draft:Jason Shah has been declined by you, I have put enough reference to show that person's notablity, can I ask the reason why the page has been declined ! SwagLevelHigh (talk) 03:46, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

transfered to draft talk and answered.
Resolved

Legacypac (talk) 03:51, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Moving drafts

Please consult the major contributors to a draft before moving it to the mainspace. Martin Luther King Jr. Way (Seattle) still had most of its history section still in bullet-list form because the research there hasn't been completed. SounderBruce 02:53, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

First, I did not touch your linked sandbox, did not know about it. Second, don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Far too much effort has been expended to stop a mainspace ready Draft from being deleted, including proposed changes to policy to protect such pages from G13 when they simply need to be in mainspace for collaborative editing. The page I promoted would never be taken to AfD and your work on it is very nice. I've driven the road andI learned quite a few things about it from the page. You may want to point your sandbox at the mainspace page now per UP#COPIES. Legacypac (talk) 03:03, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
"did not touch"....? What about this diff of you doing it? Why would you move someone else's draft? I don't get it. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 03:26, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
As I said I did not touch his Sandbox. I moved a good abandoned Draft to mainspace. It looks like the user grabbed the mainspace page and moved it to his sandbox and requested deletion of both the Draft (a redirect post move) and the Mainspace version, quite out of process. I don't understand what he is trying to accomplish but when you post a Draft you release it for others to work on, which is what I did. If he wants exclusive control I suggest he keep it on his personal computer. Legacypac (talk) 03:38, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
It's called good judgement. Generally one should propose a mainspace move on the talk page of the draft, or at least check to see if all the prose has been completed first (about half of the history section is still in notes form). SounderBruce 03:49, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

(ec) That draft was in SounderBruce's personal userspace. The right thing to do is to discuss its fate with him and at least get permission to go public with it. He should get credit for the article's creation. An analogy.... If two hunters are walking along and one spots a deer, it is that hunter who has the first rights to shoot it. What you did was like being the other guy who just shoots the deer and keeps the meat. Not very nice. This is just a matter of common decency. Is there something else going on here I'm missing? Maybe some backchannel communication where you were given the right to go public with it? -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 03:52, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

No User:BullRangifer your facts are wrong. Page was in public Draft space which is for collabertive editing, tagged as a "Promising Draft" and handled by several other editors before. He just moved it from Article space to his userspace today - a series of screwy actions I've just figured out . Check the userspace version edit history for. I am working through a list of "Promising Drafts" tagged pages (generally abandoned pages) trying to ready them for mainspace or otherwise resolve their status (some duplicate existing topics etc). There is no backchannel or any interest in this editor or his work in particular. As the original creator of the page he gets "creator credit" I'm just an editor in the history. Legacypac (talk) 04:03, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
Okay. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 04:10, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Los Superocheros, etc.

I also reverted Draft:Ant Payne and Draft:Lou Cove to the drafts that were submitted prior to being reviewed by User:Firestone2018. I thought that was the best way to keep them from being moved out of the review queue. Thanks for fixing what needs to be fixed. JSFarman (talk) 08:42, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

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Request for review

Dear Legacypac, Please review the draft Draft:Ulugbek_Yuldashev. Thank you for your time and assistance with this submission. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.92.135.13 (talk) 17:37, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

As I've rejected it twice now, better to get another set of eyes Legacypac (talk) 02:06, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

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Los Superocheros, etc.

I also reverted Draft:Ant Payne and Draft:Lou Cove to the drafts that were submitted prior to being reviewed by User:Firestone2018. I thought that was the best way to keep them from being moved out of the review queue. Thanks for fixing what needs to be fixed. JSFarman (talk) 08:42, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Resolved

Request for review

Dear Legacypac, Please review the draft Draft:Ulugbek_Yuldashev. Thank you for your time and assistance with this submission. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.92.135.13 (talk) 17:37, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

As I've rejected it twice now, better to get another set of eyes Legacypac (talk) 02:06, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

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AfC notification: Draft:Eti (company) has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission comment, which can be viewed at Draft:Eti (company). Thanks! --GlobalSecretary (talk) 11:26, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Felix Armin Randow

Just a quick ping with regard to Draft:Felix Armin Randow. You had commented saying "might be notable. Looking for another opinion." I took a look, and think the subject passes WP:PROF criterion 1 as he has authored several papers as a group leader cited over 100 times (per Scopus). So I went ahead and accepted the draft. Just wanted to let you know since I'm new to AfC, and if I did something infuriating I wanted to facilitate the scolding process. Happy editing! Ajpolino (talk) 16:38, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Very good. Welcome to AfC and keep up the good work. Getting two Reviewers to agree the draft is good is excellent protection against criticism. Legacypac (talk) 16:41, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Ha!!

You caught me right in the middle of tweaking Johnny Hon before I accepted it. I guess I'll work on it as NPP since I've already done all the research and saved my edits. Whew - thank you "save" button. 😊 Atsme📞📧 18:30, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Reer Nuur

Hello! You've left a comment on my talk page, regarding the page I created, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reer_Nuur, I have tried to follow your advice, can I just move my information to the already existing article? I tried to move it, but it appears I moved it the wrong part of this website. I have removed the redirect as per your advice. Just want to make sure I am going about this the right way. Aqooni (talk) 21:25, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

It looks like you made the page correctly. I fixed the incorrect move and redireected the Draft for you. Legacypac (talk) 21:31, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Questions about declination of a Page that I have created

hello, you just left a comment on my draft saying i ignored your discussion and resubmitted my draft again, well it was because i didn't know how to talk back and make it clearer, i resubmitted because i provided more recent and more reliable references/coverage on my draft which was nominated for deletion because of unreliable sources. thanks. (talk)

Follow the link provided to the deletion discussion. I assume this is the pageant article where a previous recent discussion deleted it from main space. You are wasting your time on that topic. Legacypac (talk) 21:42, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Julia Jäkel

I've left a note at WikiProject Germany for Draft:Julia Jäkel. jcc (tea and biscuits) 00:06, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

ANI comment

I see now what you are referring to by "meatpuppet", but I don't think that what went on had anything to do with meatpuppeting in the ordinary sense of the word. (I understand that you think Godsy's actions violated his interaction ban.) To be honest, I avoid WP:ANI as much as possible so I have no idea what the appropriate scope of an interaction ban is. And before yesterday, I don't think I knew who Godsy was, except maybe having some familiarity with the username. Anyways, from a personal perspective I am grateful that Godsy notified me of the template removals, but if his actions violated the ban I agree that he should be sanctioned/warned/whatever is appropriate. (Like I said, I don't know if they did or not because I lack experience in these things.) I have no comment about the appropriate remedy for Godsy because I don't know how these things are usually handled. Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:17, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you

Dear Legacypac, many thanks for your feedback about my request about the Draft:Susy Rottonara. Best regards Johannade57 (talk) 08:49, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

"Promising draft" workflow

Random thought: what if a practice was established in which "remove 'Promising Draft' template" was a common !vote and outcome for MfD's of drafts with this template? That would return the draft to the G13 queue without forcing an immediate decision on deleting it for borderline cases. VQuakr (talk) 06:24, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

I suggested that as a possible outcome on one I sent to MfD last night. I prefer it function like a maintenance or suggestion tag though, not something that must be followed on pain of losing your editing ability. Legacypac (talk) 14:21, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
No other tag requires such a preposterous level of fucking about to remove if you disagree with it. It is totally absurd that this one is somehow sacred. I would be totally opposed to enshrining the perceived specialness of the promising draft tag by making an MfD necessary to remove it. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 10:14, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
Absolutely said better than I could. If someone can add a tag someone else can remove it just as easily. The original tagger should be watching if they care and can you know, do something with the draft. Similarly I created a "Not Suitable for Wikipedia" template. It only represents my opinion and can be removed by someone else, at which point I might seek deletion of the page. But I would never presume to make it unremovable on pain of sanctions. Legacypac (talk) 15:51, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Kandy Post Office Reply

After doing so many reviews of AfCs, particularly declining the majority of them - it feels so negative. So once in awhile I need to get into a positive headspace, be more creative and add something productive to WP. So really appreciate the acknowledgement - makes a good start to the day. Dan arndt (talk) 01:07, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Proman draft

Hi Legacypac, re: your speedy-deletion request of Matthew Proman, I declined this because the draft article looks like undisclosed paid editing and the sourcing is poor. SarahSV (talk) 18:00, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

I did not say the draft is ready. If you want to find a reason to delete the draft go for it. I just know the redirect is not needed. Legacypac (talk) 18:10, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
So why did you G6 it with the rationale "Reason for move: Draft waiting."? Primefac (talk) 18:13, 6 June 2018 (UTC) (talk page stalker)
Because the draft can't be approved if there is a page in the way. I regularly review the Dup pages now that I worked a link to them into the top of Category:Pending_AfC_submissions and attempt to DAB or clear away redirects or decline based on existing pages. Given that there is mention of him in Mainspace and his company has a page, and the draft has a bunch of sources it is not inconceivable the page could be approved, especially since we I learned that Admins can approve pages with no sources at all. As for UPE, if we are really going to use that as an immediate and forever refusal than let's set it up as a decline reason and apply it to 75% of the pages we get at AfC. Make life easy :). Anyway, another way to deal with the page would be to move it and than redirect it. That way the work is not deleted but available for an interested editor to work on. Legacypac (talk) 18:31, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
In that case, you're doing it backwards. The draft should be acceptable before you nominate the existing article for deletion. Primefac (talk) 18:35, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Rhea Sharma

Hi legacypac,can a request be made to the original creator.I didn't know who created that page.It is necessary for article to be published.Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asim543 (talk • contribs) 16:49, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm not convinced the page "is necessary" but she does seem to just pass WP:ACTOR. As the person sho wrote the draft you can publish it yourself in mainspace. Just post your draft on the page that is a redirect now. Legacypac (talk) 17:02, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Legacy, please stop telling new users to bypass AFC just so that their work will be deleted. If you don't think something's notable, then it's not notable and you shouldn't be giving users a false sense of hope. Primefac (talk) 17:58, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
It's a close call. Topic has several TV main roles and a good film role and an award nomination. Redirecting her name to one show may not be logical anymore. Legacypac (talk) 18:32, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Natalie_Khawam

I am curious about the declination of the Natalie_Khawam article. While she is mentioned in the Petreaus article, so are other individuals who are associated with additional life accomplishments and endeavors and have their own pages, ie: Jill Kelley, Paula Broadwell. Should I continue to add additional facts and press citations for this person? I look forward to learning more about the process and what the fulcrum is for individuals. Thank you. 131.191.93.128 (talk) 21:25, 7 June 2018 (UTC)seeer7

Seems to me she is notable only for WP:ONEEVENT so should be covered in the page about the event. Legacypac (talk) 22:40, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

June 2018

Information icon Please do not attack other editors, as you did at Talk: National Rifle Association. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing.

Warning is in regard to this edit [2] left by you at the talk page and in the edit summary. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 03:32, 8 June 2018 (UTC) -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 03:32, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

People who have banned me from their talkpage and expended as much energy attacking me over time as you have would be well advised not to ping me or address me directly especially when explicitly requested to refrain from pinging me or addressing me. Have a good weekend and I hope I don't see you again. Legacypac (talk) 03:47, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Request on 19:16:20, 8 June 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by DeepCurl


Hi, Legacy ! Thank you for reviewing Dr. Falcon draft.

I got a decline notice, in which you argument that the subject already exists in Wikipedia, and a comment about "he is not known outside his company".

In my opinion, your comment "Not notable outside his company" does not apply at all to Dr Falcon notability. First of all, as far as I know, he does not have a company. Second, I invite you to read about his work on Social Medicine, agreements with United Nations, and speeches at World Health Organization, academic institutions around the world or keynote at OpenSym. His achievements Social Medicine and eHealth are reflected on the different awards & recognitions and implementations in countries public health system, most of them are already documented in the article.

Although some topics on Falcon's biography are covered in other WP articles, (GNU Health or GNU Solidario), this is a biographical article, that I think deserves an article on its own. Merging this biographical information in the other articles will impact on the readability.

Thank you again for taking the time and your help. DeepCurl (talk) 19:16, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

DeepCurl (talk) 19:16, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

A million apologies

So very, very sorry and embarrassed. I was going through my watchlist, your talk page is still on it. While trying to view a diff at an article, I experienced "screen jump" on my tablet after touching my choice and it rolled back content on your page, then when I rolled back my roll back, it screen jumped again and chose "Rollback vandal'. Can't apologize enough. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 20:20, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Declined Draft:DJ Quest GH

I was suddened to see you declined my article at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:DJ_Quest_GH .I have made changes and would love you to go through it. Suggestions are welcomed Shammahamoah (talk) 08:21, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

It's resubmitted. Will likely let another reviewer handle. Legacypac (talk) 21:02, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Request for Review

Dear Legacypac,

Many thanks for your feedback on my latest article on the Draft:The Capitol Forum. Please feel free to re-review and provide further feedback if required. I had made a number of adjustments.

Best regards :)

Sara — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarahboa0 (talk • contribs) 09:56, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

I usually prefer anotjer Reviewer handle the next submission. Legacypac (talk) 21:03, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Draft:71 Republic

Hi, thanks for responding to my draft of a 71 Republic article. My purpose for using Twitter as sources was to show that many well known public figures have shared work from 71 Republic and I thought that that gives the site more credibility as a legitimate news sources. I was wondering if you had any reccomendations to improve the draft and make it worthy of potential publication? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KennethECasey (talk • contribs) 22:01, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes, provide WP:RS discussing the website and it's writers. Social media shares are irrelevent. Legacypac (talk) 22:09, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Request on 22:49:32, 10 June 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by J4lambert


I am requesting a rereview of the draft submission that I have submitted for an article about Christelle Ciari. I have inserted three sources, all of which were reliable, into the article and cited them in a proper manner. Even though much of the material has been unsourced, I am requesting that the article be submitted as soon as possible. Than you. J4lambert (talk) 22:49, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

J4lambert (talk) 22:49, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Resubmit and someone will address it soon. Legacypac (talk) 22:50, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Will wonders never cease...

Following your comment here (which I happen to agree with 100%) - what about this? Sorry for any ill-feeling/bad-blood between us. I genuinely mean that and want to bury any cyber-hatchets too. I understand if you're not interested in what I say, and I won't be offended if you revert/remove this, or tell me where to go. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 07:31, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

And I would have got away with it too...

Hi Legacypac. Don't let it be said that I'm averse to making difficult speedy deletion decisions. After extensive research and close reading of the relevant policies, I have made a decision to delete Meddling Kids despite it not going through the usual WP:RFD process. See also: Australian sense of humour. And we say "got", not "gotten". Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 09:50, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Request on 09:33:09, 11 June 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Aishaoye


Wikipedia is a essential in ensuring the public has information and recogonises people that hold political offices, no matter how small.

Aishaoye (talk) 09:33, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Local mayors don't often get pages and your page was over the top promotional. Legacypac (talk) 10:57, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Rejection of Draft:Kalu Ndukwe Kalu

One of the problems that a latest reviewer had with the article was the use of "Distinguished Research Professor". I provided a link to the page of the school he's currently employed that proves that this is a title given to him, not my personal opinion. So I'm not sure whats going on here. I know that there aren't many sources of his alma mater, but how can I provide a source for that if I can't use a CV. Iv'e seen other articles published on this site with a CV used as a source or an external link. If it is at all possible could I get more of a detailed review about what specific things needs to be changed or isn't adequate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sharri46 (talk • contribs) 17:44, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

For academics there is no problem using the Professor's resume or profile on the school's site. Distinguished Research Professor is a fine title. I'll take a look and comment in the draft. He needs to pass WP:PROF Legacypac (talk) 17:49, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

AE appeals

Hey thanks for trying to help here, but generally AE appeals are closed by admins as discretionary sanctions may only be closed and modified by administrators (see Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Discretionary_sanctions#Appeals_and_modifications.) I think it's the right outcome, but as this area of the project is basically the one where not a bureaucracy is thrown out the window, I reverted you on it. TonyBallioni (talk) 18:23, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

No problem. It was SNOWing and no point belabouring the issue. Legacypac (talk) 18:25, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, I get it, but anything involving AE it's always best to have every procedural i doted and t crossed. TonyBallioni (talk) 18:27, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
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