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Welcome

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate encyclopedic contributions, but some of your recent contributions, such as your edit to the page Wildland fire lessons learned center, seem to be advertising or for promotional purposes. Wikipedia does not allow advertising. For more information on this, see:

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I hope you enjoy editing Wikipedia! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Feel free to write a note on the bottom of my talk page if you want to get in touch with me. Again, welcome! TNXMan 18:13, 14 April 2010 (UTC) {{Helpme}} I am a lessons learned center researcher with very little affiliation to this Organization and created this article because no one had thought to do so in the past. My goal was to create and edit wikipedia pages for several lessons learned centers throughout the country so as to engage people and get them to learn about what these organizations do. This is a government agency that has no reason to use wikipedia as an "advertisement tool." How would you recommend I write about a government agency without advertising for it? If you can point out one single bit of information that qualifies as advertising or something that shows a bias, please tell me and it will be removed, but there is no reason to pull down the entire article. Lessonslearnedcenter (talk) 18:44, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Since usernames that are the name of a company or group create the appearance of intent to promote that group, accounts with a company or group name as a username are indefinitely blocked." (from Username Policy) This is the reason that you are blocked, please try a new username. /MWOAP|Notify Me\ 20:22, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

{{Help Me}} I get why my username is blocked but I dont get why my IP address is blocked. Now I won't ever be able to create a new account and become an active wikipedia member with this computer.

You actually can via the account creation process. I don't suggest that you reveal your IP here, but you can also bring that up on your IP blocked talkpage. /MWOAP|Notify Me\ 20:37, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Conflict of interest[edit]

Welcome to Wikipedia. If you are affiliated with some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Wildland fire lessons learned center, you may have a conflict of interest. In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, edits where there is a conflict of interest, or where such a conflict might reasonably be inferred, are strongly discouraged. If you have a conflict of interest, you should avoid or exercise great caution when:

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For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. Thank you. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:21, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your account has been blocked indefinitely from editing Wikipedia because it appears to be mainly intended or used for publicity and/or promotional purposes. Please read the following carefully.

Why can't I edit Wikipedia?

Your account's edits and/or username indicate that it is being used on behalf of a company, group, or organization for purposes of promotion and/or publicity. The edits may have violated one or more of our rules on spamming, which include: adding inappropriate external links, posting advertisements, and using Wikipedia for promotion. Wikipedia has many articles on companies, groups, and organizations, but it is considered inappropriate for such groups to use Wikipedia to write about themselves. In addition, usernames like yours are disallowed under our username policy.

Am I allowed to make these edits if I change my username?

Probably not. See Wikipedia:FAQ/Organization for a helpful list of frequently asked questions by people in your position. Also, review the conflict of interest guidance to see the kinds of limitations you would have to obey if you did want to continue editing about your company, group, or organization. If this does not fit in with your goals, then you will not be allowed to edit again. Consider using one of the many websites that allow this instead.

What can I do now?

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  • Convince us that you understand the reason for your block and that you will not repeat the edits for which you were blocked.
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If you believe this block was made in error, please see how to appeal a block.

--Orange Mike | Talk 18:21, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


I am a lessons learned center researcher and created this article because no one had thought to do so in the past. This is a government agency that has no reason to use wikipedia as an "advertisement tool." How would you recommend I write about a government agency without advertising for it? Lessonslearnedcenter (talk) 18:29, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You will need to create a new account, representing only you as an individual, because one of our policies is that usernames must not give the impression that the account belongs to a group or organisation. Then, before editing about your organization, you should read these guidelines:
As well as the links from the Welcome paragraph above. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 18:36, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


So its my fault that these people are so ignorant that they don't understand how universal the phrase lessons learned center is. If I change my username to telephoneAT&T157 does that mean I wont be able to make changes to the At&t or telephone pages? or will u just delete them when i do make changes? your philosophy makes ZERO sense Lessonslearnedcenter (talk) 18:43, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1. If you work for an entity, be it governmental or corporate or cooperative, you certainly should not be writing about it, since you have a conflict of interest.
2. Government agencies advertise and conduct public relations/publicity efforts all the time; see also WP:NOBLECAUSE.
3. I re-emphasize what was said above: "centers" and other collective entities cannot have accounts in Wikipedia. Only individual human beings can do so; so the "center" name was dead anyway. (And yes, anybody with a username like "telephoneAT&T" would be blocked, especially if they were editing telephone- or AT&T-related articles.) --Orange Mike | Talk 19:01, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Okay then, if an account named Joe-shmo261 wrote the exact same page I wrote, it would be ok? I guess my only issue is that this is the internet and you have no clue who the user is, no matter what their username is. Maybe I'm crazy but shouldnt the articles be deleted based on proven violations within the article, not the authors username? Because lets be honest, anyone can create any username. THe organization I wrote about is a completely educational agency that provides information and news to wildland firefighters. That organization provides lifesaving tools to men and women who risk their lives everyday. To me it just seems like you guys delete an article because of some small reason, block the users IP address and post a cookie cutter response without even reading the article to see if it violates any of your rules. Is there any way an article about this agency can be posted by a different account? If you have the power, can you at least unblock my account/IP address. This punishment seems pretty harsh considering my only violation was having an account name that too closely resembles the article I wrote. Thank you, Lessonslearnedcenter (talk) 19:19, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I would like to say that my line about how they help firefighters wasn't meant to sound like this is a "noble cause" because thats not what this organization is. What I meant by that comment is that this organization (like wikipedia) is strictly for educational purposes. Also, I do not work for this entity. I work for a conservation association. I understand that government agencies advertise and conduct PR campaigns all the time but as I have previously stated, there is nothing along those lines within my article and if you can point any out, I will gladly delete them or even rewrite the article. According to your guidelines to become unblocked, the offender must own up to the violation they committed correct? I completely admit to my violation of creating a username that was too closely related to the article in question and that I should have made it something random instead of relative. And please if I have committed any other offenses that you can prove, tell me and I will confess those to you as well. If you would like a copy of the article so that you can actually read it and judge whether it can be posted, i would be more than happy to repost, or send it to you. If you would like me to send you a copy of my pay stub that proves I dont work for this agency, I would be more than happy to do that as well. My goal is to start writing wikipedia articles and I don't want a couple days of writing and editing going to waste everytime I create an article. So please be specific in what I need to do to regain active, unblocked status. Lessonslearnedcenter (talk) 20:00, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The instructions are in the salmon-colored box above this post. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:33, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Very predictable, this is why wikipedia is hurting for money. Anytime someone makes a mistake their account gets blocked indefinitely. Try issuing a warning first next time or you will continue to lose readers and editors alike. Honestly I have no clue why I am telling you this because it is falling on deaf ears. No one with any clout is going to read this and help me resolve and of my issues. SO yes I will go read the salmon box and get redirected to 10 different instructional pages that are 1000s of words long each. I will spend an hour trying to get my account back because you are so busy or lazy that you couldnt spend 1 minute explaining it to me without sending me to a bunch oh useless wiki "help" pages. I really hope u get paid well for the amazing job you do!!!!!!!!! Lessonslearnedcenter (talk) 20:47, 14 April 2010 (UTC) Lessonslearnedcenter (talk) 20:47, 14 April 2010 (UTC) Lessonslearnedcenter (talk) 20:47, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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