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American Coed Pageants

A tag has been placed on American Coed Pageants, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising that only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

If you can indicate why the subject of this article is not blatant advertising, you may contest the tagging. To do this, please add {{hangon}} on the top of American Coed Pageants and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would help make it encyclopedic, as well as adding any citations from reliable sources to ensure that the article will be verifiable. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. PMDrive1061 (talk) 19:14, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Not only that, but the article contained direct copies-and-pastes of material from other websites such as this one, which Wikipedia cannot accept for copyright reasons. But yes, blatant advertising too. --Rlandmann (talk) 20:01, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Then they will need to add a disclaimer to the webpage that I linked above, stating that the contents of the page are licenced under a free licence, such as Creative Commons or GFDL, or are released into the public domain. The organisation should realise the implications of this though - it means that anyone and everyone will be able to use, reuse, and alter the text in whatever way they want to, including for commercial purposes. Do they really want that?

In any case, leaving aside the copyright problems, the article would still have to demonstrate the notability of the organisation, show that it is something more that blatant advertising, and that you do not have a conflict of interest in uploading the article. If you can do all that, then please, go ahead and resubmit the article in your own words. If you need any help with the relevant policies, please don't hesitate to ask. Cheers --Rlandmann (talk) 20:13, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

What you really need to do is to assemble some third-party, independent sources about the organisation and use them as the basis of a factual, neutral, encyclopedic article. Look at the Miss USA article as a good example. I don't think that will be difficult if the pageant has been going as long as it has; and newspapers tend to like to cover these things.

I didn't understand what you meant by "As far as information being the same on another American Coed website, that would make sense sense the history pageant doesn't change from state to state" - could you please rephrase that for me? --Rlandmann (talk) 20:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I came here to say basically the same thing as Rlandmann (sorry for the delay in responding). Wikipedia does not need to know what is great about the pageant, it needs to know why it's notable. Has it been mentioned in newspapers or on major websites or other independent sources? The Miss America article includes mentions in Time Magazine and on PBS and was the subject of media-covered protests in the late 60s, for example. The References section in Miss USA shows a similar breadth of coverage. That's the kind of thing you would need to add to the American Coed Pageants article to show notability. ... discospinster _talk 17:28, 15 May 2008 (UTC)