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–MuZemike 14:21, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
CSD A7 on Ghassan Ashqar
I wanted to let you know that I have challenged your WP:CSD A7 on Ghassan Ashqar. The article indicates in the infobox that the subject is a member of parliament, which is supported by the reference. In my opinion that is a sufficient indication of importance to survive criteria A7. I have no objection if you would like to pursue an alternative deletion process against the article. Monty845 16:05, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
- ArabDecision.org is a reliable source now is it? Notability is established through verifiable, independent, reliable sources. Perhaps you should read those guidelines because an unreliable source DOES NOT establish notability. However, because of this "claim of importance", I will not challenge your decision. —James (Talk • Contribs) • 9:39am • 23:39, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
- Remember that to survive CSD criteria A7 does not require that the article be properly referenced, or that the subject actually be notable. To quote the CSD policy, "The criterion does not apply to any article that makes any credible claim of significance or importance even if the claim is not supported by a reliable source or does not qualify on Wikipedia's notability guidelines". So I'm not saying he is notable, and I have no objection if you think he is not notable and would like to initiate an AfD. I personally did not do that because I think it is likely that a member of any national legislative body is probably notable, and it would come down to whether anyone is able to find non-English sources to support it. Monty845 01:11, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
- Which is why A7 is flawed, very well, I'll pursue AfD later, when I am positive that this MP has not been subject to much coverage. —James (Talk • Contribs) • 11:47am • 01:47, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry to butt in, but A7 is not flawed at all, in my opinion. To be speedy deleted requires there to be no indication of importance and/or significance whatsoever. If this is not the case, then the article cannot and should not be speedy deleted. That is why there are other venues, such as WP:PROD and WP:AFD, that allow for more discussion regarding deletions. To speedily delete an article that doesn't establish notability but does imply importance and/or significance is inherently incorrect and unjust to the article's creator. Logan Talk Contributions 06:25, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
- Importance is broadly construed, how can one verify a person is "important" if the assertion is backed with an unreliable source, such as in the aforementioned article. —James (Talk • Contribs) • 5:51pm • 07:51, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
- The claim has to be reasonable, not verifiable. So claiming to be a member of parliament is certainly enough, unless the article also claims that the subject is five years old or something similar. Speedy deletion should be used for something that could never meet Wikipedia's standards, not something with hope. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 19:21, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
- Importance is broadly construed, how can one verify a person is "important" if the assertion is backed with an unreliable source, such as in the aforementioned article. —James (Talk • Contribs) • 5:51pm • 07:51, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry to butt in, but A7 is not flawed at all, in my opinion. To be speedy deleted requires there to be no indication of importance and/or significance whatsoever. If this is not the case, then the article cannot and should not be speedy deleted. That is why there are other venues, such as WP:PROD and WP:AFD, that allow for more discussion regarding deletions. To speedily delete an article that doesn't establish notability but does imply importance and/or significance is inherently incorrect and unjust to the article's creator. Logan Talk Contributions 06:25, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
- Which is why A7 is flawed, very well, I'll pursue AfD later, when I am positive that this MP has not been subject to much coverage. —James (Talk • Contribs) • 11:47am • 01:47, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
- Also note that WP:CSD#A7 specifically says: "This is distinct from verifiability and reliability of sources, and is a lower standard than notability. ... The criterion does not apply to any article that makes any credible claim of significance or importance even if the claim is not supported by a reliable source or does not qualify on Wikipedia's notability guidelines." In any case, I am fairly sure that an AfD would fail due to WP:POLITICIAN stating the general notability requirement to be: "Politicians and judges who have held international, national or sub-national (statewide/provincewide) office, and members or former members of a national, state or provincial legislature." /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 19:24, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
- Fair enough. So lack of reliable, verifiable independent sources and an assertion of importance is enough? Pardon my French but that article is absolutely shit and there is no chance of it ever improving. Period. Notability also holds that an article must be backed up with a reliable source, it seems to me that everyone is overlooking that minor, but important, detail. —James (Talk • Contribs) • 10:35am • 00:35, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
- Not necessarily. For example, subjects that are de facto notable don't always need reliable sources to be kept at AfD. In any case, this news article seems to confirm that Mr. Ashqar was indeed a Lebanese MP. So unless you'd like to dispute the reliability of that source, I see the relevant notability guideline satisfied. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 01:31, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
- Fair enough. So lack of reliable, verifiable independent sources and an assertion of importance is enough? Pardon my French but that article is absolutely shit and there is no chance of it ever improving. Period. Notability also holds that an article must be backed up with a reliable source, it seems to me that everyone is overlooking that minor, but important, detail. —James (Talk • Contribs) • 10:35am • 00:35, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
- So, now a newspaper has to have a Wikipedia article to be a reliable source? That's news to me. Could you point to the relevant policy or guideline dictating this requirement? (Anyway, it seems you didn't look carefully because Daily Star (Lebanon) exists. And before you say that the link wasn't on its website so it doesn't count, there's a copy here.) /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 17:37, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
- Ports of a newspaper can hardly be considered a reliable source. Well it's not a requirement, more a stepping stone, I never said IT HAD TO have a Wikipedia article, I merely pointed out that it didn't. I won't pursue this matter any further, I was wrong and I accept that. —James (Talk • Contribs) • 9:43am • 23:43, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
- Remember that to survive CSD criteria A7 does not require that the article be properly referenced, or that the subject actually be notable. To quote the CSD policy, "The criterion does not apply to any article that makes any credible claim of significance or importance even if the claim is not supported by a reliable source or does not qualify on Wikipedia's notability guidelines". So I'm not saying he is notable, and I have no objection if you think he is not notable and would like to initiate an AfD. I personally did not do that because I think it is likely that a member of any national legislative body is probably notable, and it would come down to whether anyone is able to find non-English sources to support it. Monty845 01:11, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
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| As for supporting me at my Abuse response nomination and training me on how to use the abuse reports, I give you this barnstar. Plus, your contributions are perfect on articles and making them DYK's and GA, not only that, FA as well. Enjoy! Damirgraffiti |☺Say Yo to Me!☺ 22:00, 14 July 2011 (UTC) |
- Thanks, though I haven't had an FA yet, I probably should get working on an article or too! Do keep up the good work Damir! :) —James (Talk • Contribs) • 10:32am • 00:32, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
- You"re welcome. Now if you"ll execuse me I have one IP to report and investigating and contacting the ISP.--Damirgraffiti |☺Say Yo to Me!☺ 21:04, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
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English Article on German Wikipedia
Hello ! I have found you on the adopters list and hope you can help me. I have created my wikipedia account from Germany, but would like to write in English. I have given in my prefernce the english language. Still I get notices from Wikipedia in German. How could I get these in English ? I created a page in English for "Mumbiram" which appears on "de.wikipedia" and got note: "wrong language" and got deleted without any detailed reasoning. How can I create English Articles from my account that will appear on the "en.wikipedia" ? --Kusum Bhagavat (talk) 04:13, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- I didn't understand that very well, so correct me if I'm wrong. But from what I can see: you wrote an English article on the German Wikipedia, if so then it is deleted because each Wikipedia is for that language only. Any registered user on the English Wikipedia can create articles, to get started read these 2 newcomers guides: your first article and referencing for beginners. They cover the fundamentals of article writing. Good luck! —James (Talk • Contribs) • 2:18pm • 04:18, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
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This is just a reminder. If a motto has been used multiple times it should be under or added to Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/Frequently used ideas. Simply south...... improving for 5 years So much for ER 10:04, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
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Editor review
Hey M.O.X., since you reviewed me on editor review here, I was wondering if you'd be interested in reviewing me again? The UtahraptorTalk/Contribs 01:48, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
- Not sure if you noticed this yet, with the three messages below. The UtahraptorTalk/Contribs 23:52, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
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Ancient M.O.X. of Doom
Hey there.
1) What's a M.O.X.?
- A hero in the Guild Wars franchise, it is a golem created by an Asuran mage. The Asura, are gnomish-elf-like creatures of dexterity and intelligence (the dwarves are a close second, though they are too theistic).
2) How many user changes do intend on having?
- None, real life permitting.
3) If it's more than the two you've already had, would you consider Ancient M.O.X. of Doom?
- Hmmm... I don't see the harm in that :P
Sven Manguard Wha? 21:29, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
- 2) was supposed to say "more user name" where it says user. Oops. Sven Manguard Wha? 00:43, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
Your review
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Thanks for your review here. I appreciate it. The UtahraptorTalk/Contribs 03:25, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
- No worries, if you need anything, I'm always willing to help! :) —James (Talk • Contribs) • 1:40pm • 03:40, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks James. The UtahraptorTalk/Contribs 01:11, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
Amazing Grace
Regarding Wikipedia:Featured sound candidates/Three versions of Amazing Grace, why didn't you promote File:Amazing Grace (USAFB brass).ogg. I count 3 support, 1 weak support, 1 neutral and no oppose.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:01, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
- Re-read it, there was stronger consensus to promote the strings rendition. The !votes and comments evaluated each individual rendition, 2 of the supports for the brass version were very weak and detailed its faults and there was some opposition to the promotion of the brass band rendition. I don't promote files on the basis of how many !votes there are. —James (Talk • Contribs) • 11:06am • 01:06, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
- I count the following support for brass:
- Nom support
- User:Guerillero Strong support
- User:Resident Mario Weak support
- User:TCO Support
- User:Major Bloodnok Conditional support
- I count the following oppositions for the brass
- None.
What am I missing?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:26, 31 July 2011 (UTC)