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Thanks for your work editing and adding converts, and thanks for the beer! One of the convert fixes I often make can be seen in the following:

Holding the mouse over the error message shows it is trying to use "-long" as the output unit. That's because of the way templates work: the unnamed parameters are: 6, km, -long.

If you edit this talk page section and "preview", a much more explicit error message is shown.

The fix is to explicitly show the output unit. A blank parameter can be used for the default. Or, the unit can be specified:

  • {{convert|6|km||adj=mid|abbr=off|-long}} → 6-kilometre-long (3.7-mile)
  • {{convert|6|km|mi|adj=mid|abbr=off|-long}} → 6-kilometre-long (3.7-mile)

Happy editing! Johnuniq (talk) 04:02, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Johnuniq for this information. It's useful to know.
I see what you mean by 'more explicit'
I think I may be guilty of making the above mistake a couple, or so, times.
My {{convert}} template coding script in AWB could do with a bit of polishing (so could my glasses sometimes), so I often end up making manual corrections.
I think that's where the errors creep in...
Sometimes the script throws out some very odd results; recently AWB has tried to 'convert' electric meters to electric feet!
Thanks again for all your help Johnuniq. Great work!
Best regards -- Marek.69 talk

Blizna

Greetings Marek, Blizna is a very interesting article and I enjoyed reading it, thanks for the work you've done. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 10:00, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi Keith-264, thank you for you kind message, and thank you for your help with copy editing.
I'm very pleased you enjoyed reading it, it is an interesting story.
Kind regards -- Marek.69 talk 10:24, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
P.S. I've just started the connected article SS-Truppenübungsplatz Heidelager, which may interest you. Marek.69 talk

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Europe 10,000 Challenge invite

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Thanks for the notification Ser Amantio di Nicolao. I have signed up to help.
Best regards -- Marek.69 talk 23:19, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

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Rollback on Charleston, South Carolina

Hi Marek69 - I was rather dismayed to see that you rolled back my good faith edits today on Charleston, South Carolina before I had even finished. No wonder I had trouble figuring out where I was in the article. My edits are not vandalism, but efforts to improve the article by adding information and cites (re: changes in population on the peninsula, NYC slave population as compared to Charleston's - need to add cite but have an RS - I see I confused the timing of the example and will fix), using active voice, and other edits. If you disagree with specific content, please let me know. I looked up the rules and it says: "Rollback should only be used to revert vandalism and should never be used to revert good faith edits or in content disputes." So please give me insight as to your objections, beyond that you thought I made too many edits. That does not seem to be covered by the WP rules on this. I've worked on the Charleston article before, as well as many articles about southern cities, 19th-century history of the South (including Denmark Vesey's rebellion), and am not some fly-by-night editor. Thanks for your interest in this topic.Parkwells (talk) 19:03, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi Parkwells Thank you for your message. :-)
I'm looking at the edit history, could you point out which edit you are referring to?
Best regards -- Marek.69 talk 01:05, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

AWB

Your AWB changes layout. I saw this on Western Wall. Please do not use AWB to change layout. Remember that editors are responsible for AWB edits just like for regular edits, and AWB is not supposed to be used to change layout. Debresser (talk) 13:48, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi Debresser Thank you for your message. :-)
How have I changed the layout?
Best regards -- Marek.69 talk 14:04, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of V-2 missile launch site, Blizna

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Hi RedPanda25 thank you for you template message/warning.
As far as I can see, I reverted vandalism from a distruptive IP editor twice. This is not edit warring. The IP's edits had already been identified as disruptive and reverted several times before I was involved.
Kind regards -- Marek.69 talk 02:03, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
@Marek69: Thank you for responding. It wasn't entirely clear whether this was simple vandalism, or an edit war. RedPanda25 02:36, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

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V-2 missile launch site, Blizna


Hello, Marek -- I have just finished copy-editing V-2 missile launch site, Blizna. It is an interesting article. I wanted to ask you what you thought about two things:

1) I see that in the third paragraph in the History section you have used the expression "crème de la crème". I'm not sure that is the best expression to use there. I know what you mean, but it seems inappropriate to use an expression that refers to the superlative of "good", that is, the best of the best, to describe military officers. I wonder if you would consider using another expression such as one of these:

  • highest-ranking officers
  • the very highest-ranking officers
  • elite officers
  • most elite officers

or perhaps another expression.

2) I notice that early in the article, such as at the beginning of the fourth paragraph in the History section, you have "intelligence" capitalized in "British Intelligence". However, later in the History section, toward the end of the second-to-last paragraph, you have "intelligence" in lower case: "British intelligence". Are these two phrases referring to different things? Is the first one the name of a government agency while the second refers to individuals working for the agency? If not, and they're referring to the same thing, then don't you think they should be consistent throughout the article? You could look at relevant articles to see which style is used most often.  – Corinne (talk) 02:08, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Corinne for your work on the article and your suggestions for rewording.
I think you're right on the cream thing. More neutral.
The lower-case intelligence was a typo. I've just made the necessary changes.
Thank you! Marek.69 talk 02:27, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

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SS-Truppenübungsplatz Heidelager


Hello, Marek -- I have just completed a copy-edit of the article. I have a few concerns and questions for you:

1) The second sentence of the lead is the following:

  • The Nazi German troop training facility called HL-Heidelager was for the Ukrainian 14th Waffen SS Division "Galician", as well as other collaborationist military formations, including Estonian.

I have a few questions about this.

(a) I understand that "troop" in "troop training facility" means soldier, so it was a training facility for soldiers. However, even though I understand what a "troop training facility" means, more or less, it is not colloquial English. If you want it to sound more like the way people actually talk, it would be an "army training facility" (unless it was not for army soldiers but rather for soldiers in the air force, marines, navy, or coast guard). In the U.S., at least, the right word is used: army training facility, air force training facility, coast guard training facility, etc.
(b) Regarding the last part of the sentence,
  • other collaborationist military formations, including Estonian.
I know that "collaborationist" refers to collaborators – people who collaborated with the Nazis. I can guess what "military formations" are, but it is a bit vague. Perhaps "military units" would be better.
(c) Regarding the phrase "including Estonian", I know it means "including Estonian military formations [or units]", but I'm wondering whether "Estonian military formations/units" is sufficiently clear, or whether "military formations/units" from Estonia – "including those from Estonia" – would be clearer. I don't know. What do you think?

2) The next sentence in the lead is the following:

  • Their training included killing operations inside the camps and Jewish ghettos in the vicinity of Pustków and in the town itself, but most notably at the Pustków and Szebnie concentration camps nearby.
(a) It is not completely clear to whom "their" refers to. In the sentence just before this one, you have only one plural noun – collaborationist military formations – and one implied one – Estonian military formations. But those are not the only people that were trained at this facility. I think it would be clearer if you used a noun instead of the possessive adjective "their". Alternatively, you could change the beginning of the sentence to "The training at this facility", or just "The training".
(b) You mention camps, ghettos, the town, and then the camps again. Presumably the "Pustków and Szebnie concentration camps" refer to the same camps as "inside the camps". If this is correct, then how about putting the last phrase together with the first phrase:
  • Their training included killing operations inside the concentration camps – most notably at the nearby Pustków and Szebnie camps – and Jewish ghettos in the vicinity of Pustków and in the town itself.
Were the Jewish ghettos "in the vicinity of Pustków"? If the ghettos were only in the town, then we can take out that phrase:
  • The training included killing operations inside the concentration camps – most notably at the nearby Pustków and Szebnie camps – and Jewish ghettos in the vicinity of Pustków and in the town itself.
What do you think of this wording for the third sentence of the lead?

3) The second and third sentences of the section SS-Truppenübungsplatz Heidelager#History are:

  • The establishment was built on an order from the Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler. He ordered this under provision OKW No. 3032 of 21 December 1939, which allowed for the erection of an SS military training centre in the area eastward of Dębica in Generalgouvernement Polen.
(a) Usually, an establishment is a business. Perhaps "facility" or "military base" would be better.
(b) You will see that you use the noun and verb form of the same word – order – twice in a row. I'm trying to think of a way to avoid this. How about this? --
  • The establishment facility was built on an order from the Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler. He ordered this under provision OKW No. 3032 of 21 December 1939, which allowed for the erection of an SS military training centre in the area eastward of Dębica in Generalgouvernement Polen.
  • The facility was built on an order from the Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler under provision OKW No. 3032 of 21 December 1939, which allowed for the erection of an SS military training centre in the area eastward of Dębica in Generalgouvernement Polen.

4) In the middle of the second paragraph in the History section you have these sentences:

  • Over its four-year history, the SS military training centre had several changes of name. In the planning stages, it had been given the name of "Ostpolen" as an SS military training centre from 21 December 1939 to 26 June 1940.

You will see that "SS military training centre" appears in each sentence. Do you really need the entire phrase in the second sentence? These sentences are about successive changes in name. I don't think the phrase "as an SS military training centre" is needed in the second sentence. Do you?

Then, two sentences later you have this sentence:

  • From 15 March 1943, the site was designated as SS military training centre "Heidelager".

Do you have to include "SS military training centre"? If you think it is needed because it is part of the name of the center, then shouldn't the entire phrase be in quotation marks? -- "...the site was designated as "SS military training centre Heidelager".

5) The last sentence of the second paragraph of the History section is the following:

  • The training range had been in use since the autumn of 1941 under the command of Oberführer-SS Werner von Schele.

You don't use the phrase "training range" before this, so the reader might wonder what it refers to. In fact, it is not clear what you mean by "training range". Do you mean the training facility, or do you mean something specific to shooting: a shooting range? (That's the only thing I can think of that uses the word "range".)

6) The fifth paragraph in the History section begins:

  • The total number of victims in the Pustków camp is unknown. Beginning in August 1944, the camp was disbanded and the survivors executed.

If all surviving prisoners were executed, and the camp was "abandoned in the summer of 1944 ahead of the Soviet advance" (sixth paragraph), then there was nobody to be evacuated after that. You start the seventh paragraph:

  • After the evacuation of the camp in the summer of 1944,

Evacuation does not mean the same thing as abandonment. Evacuation suggests a large number of people leaving, or being helped to leave, a place. Introducing this new word, after you have already said the surviving prisoners had been executed and the Nazis had abandoned the centre, is confusing. You could just substitute "abandonment" for "evacuation":

  • After the abandonment of the camp (you don't have to say "in the summer of 1944" because you just said that at the end of the sixth paragraph).

or you could use the verb form:

  • After the camp was abandoned.

Also, you're using different words again. You use "range" in the sixth paragraph, "camp" in the seventh paragraph, and "ground" in the eighth paragraph, whereas you used "centre" earlier in the article. I think it is best to use one word throughout the article, (or, at the most, two) unless you are referring to different things, in which case you need to be clear about what was what.

Feel free to make changes, including copying and pasting my suggested wording if you like the way it reads, and to ask me if you have any questions.  – Corinne (talk) 05:15, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

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