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Armenian collage[edit]

Hi Marshall, can you please cast your vote for the design and content on Armenians collage here?: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Armenians Thanks! -- Aivazovsky (talk) 17:21, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Algerian[edit]

Hey Marshall, thats a lot of text, are you sure they gonna read it? I changed Albanian to Algerian I think thats what you meant[1] VartanM (talk) 08:08, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ArbCom on Ehud Lesar[edit]

Your quite extensive statement [2], which exceeded in length the statements of those who are already involved parties, is an indication of the level of familiarity. I hope you will be able to make valuable contribution as an involved party to help ArbCom in achieving its decision. This shall serve as your notice. Atabek (talk) 00:40, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Ehud Lesar/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Ehud Lesar/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, RlevseTalk 02:57, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Marshall[edit]

We've had some great work done on the Armenian Air Force by one contributer, user:Askari Mark, but now that the new Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/National militaries task force is coming together, I'd like to concentrate on some of the less well known armies as well. Are you aware of information you could direct me to - or translate, maybe - about the current status, locations, units etc of the Armenian Army to add to the article? Buckshot06 (talk) 21:52, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your support and pointers on this issue Marshall. While I'm not going to make much progress on Armenia, another country I'm interested in is Turkey. Would you have any pointers or local info sources on finding out the current structure of the Turkish Army - brigades, locations, etc? I've pretty much found everything there is in English on the 'Net. Thanks Buckshot06 (talk) 01:53, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Stop with the propaganda.[edit]

You don't need to use newly invented vocabulary words like "genocide denialism" or "Historical revisionism" to discredit or attack my opinions or editing style. It's simply not nice.

I have never denied the hundreds of thousands of Armenians that died or suffered and thus I am not denying any facts, I am simply showing the difference in my opinion on the label of genocide being applied to the killings. Though inexcusable as ANY killings are, it is also inexcusable for Armenians to massacre Turks with or without provocation. And you and I both know the massacres were equally inhumane on both sides, but from the thousands of Talat Pasha and Enver Pasha telegrams I've read I find it odd that anyone would conclude it was a state-sponsored genocide, when it was more a local violence created by Christian-Islamic tensions ignited from a minority Armenian Rebellion.

So please take care of your POV edits in articles, and make sure when you cite sources that you are not concluding for the reader but rather presenting FACTS for the reader to draw his own conclusions.

I am not here to argue with you or fight with you, and you should really cease to "pursue" me, and simply persecute my opinions or my verifiable editing simply because you disagree with me. Reporting me to administrators or making ANIs about me, will only show your true intentions as a suppressor of information. I mean no offense to you, and I like your contributions, and respect your help in wikipedia, but I believe you really should give me a chance to correct the POV edits as these POV edits ONLY DAMAGE your belief that a genocide did occur. Are we not searching for the truth?

Also "Your comments on your user page are insulting and offensive and Wikipedia administrators will take action since it is obvious soapboxing." -- I have done no such offense. Please do not accuse me of violations I did not commit, it's simply not nice and will only backfire against you.

Thank you for your time and concern, I'll be more careful with my edits to make sure I'm not being POV in any way, and I hope you'll do the same. talk § _Arsenic99_ 22:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Marshal Bagramyan[edit]

Not sure if you noticed, but I did some editing in the article, but decided to do a bit more in my sandbox. I will try to connect his career with specific operations. Just a note that I think the cavalry regiment he commanded was stationed in Alexopol, and not the Alexopol cavalry regiment. Can you confirm this at all?--Shattered Wikiglass (talk) 09:38, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Smile![edit]

Armenian Genocide article[edit]

Warning: Under the discretionary sanctions imposed at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2, this article has been placed on a one-revert rule. Any editor who makes more than one revert (and this revert must be discussed on the talk page) in a 24-hour period will be blocked. Please edit cooperatively, and seek consensus and compromise rather than edit-war. Moreschi If you've written a quality article... 22:17, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Just thought I'd let you know. --Namsos (talk) 01:26, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Urartu , Hayasa pages and Armens[edit]

Somebody removed the History of Armenia template again from Urartu and Hayasa pages, please put it back. They are removing from certain pages as they desire, yet other pages are kept in the same form, which they give excuse on certain pages for cluttering. It is vandalism. Also, the Armens page, the recent removal by DougWeller is POV, since we provided the sources, and it was always there. 206.148.196.12 (talk) 20:14, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sumerophile sock pocket found[edit]

It appears that User:Nicklausse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nicklausse) , is a socket pocket of Sumerophile, which received a 3RR just recently on vandalism, please verify this, he is editing the same ways as Sumerophile, and same pages he is vandalizing.

Please file a report at Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets

76.238.245.180 (talk) 21:52, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Warning[edit]

Please see Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan_2#Amended_Remedies_and_Enforcement. This is a warning to alert you to these remedies that can be applied to editors that repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 03:30, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Եղիշե Իշխանյան[edit]

Hi MarshallBagramyan, բարև։ Would you like to create an article about the first prime minister of Nagorno Karabakh? We have already one on the Armenian Wikipedia[3]։ Greets. --Vacio (talk) 10:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again! I’ve tried to make something of it: Jeghishe Ishkhanian. I should be grateful to you if you look at it and if necessary make alterations or corrections... With kind regards.--Vacio (talk) 16:49, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Marshall, I am trying to piece together some information regarding my wifes Great Grandfather named Alexander Chernishev born around 1840/1860. We believe he was a high ranking officer in the Russian Army, and was sent to the Kars fortress for defence purposes. There we believe he had a daughter born called Maria Alexandrovna. Would you possess any information or could you perhaps point me in the right direction.

Thanks David Phillips 15June08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.22.87.204 (talk) 11:59, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I put the orphan tag on the Stepan Malkhasyants article due to the lack of pages that link to it, as shown here. As you can see, only one other article links to it, an unusually small number. I shall leave the decision on whether or not to put the tag back up in your hands, though I would strongly advise you to do so, as there really are very few articles linked to that page. If you have any questions, just drop me a line on my talk page and I'll be happy to get back to you as soon as I can. Happy editing! AP1787 (talk) 05:22, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Erich Feigl[edit]

AfD nomination of Erich Feigl[edit]

An article that you have been involved in editing, Erich Feigl, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Erich Feigl. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Namsos (talk) 16:52, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Marshal. Would you please find taking a look at this section, which deals with the 336th MRR's withdrawal from Stepankirt (sp, sorry), and correct any mistakes, or expand, if you can? Best wishes Buckshot06(prof) 01:39, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Armenian BM-21.jpg)[edit]

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Sirarpie[edit]

You should definitely DYK the article. I'll expand it tomorrow.-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 02:50, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi MarshallBagramyan, I believe you reverted this in error. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 00:32, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sirarpie Der-Nersessian[edit]

Updated DYK query On 11 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Sirarpie Der-Nersessian, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 18:55, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mediation Request on "Hemshin peoples"[edit]

Hi, this is to let you know that I have just filed a mediation request for the "Hemshin peoples" entry and indicated you as an involved party. You can reach the request here. Please note that the involved parties need to approve within 7 days if they want to pursue this path. Omer182 (talk) 15:53, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Request for mediation not accepted[edit]

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I have put several fact tags on the article. Open it with the edit function and read the hidden comments following these tags. Sorry that the review takes so long, but I have been very busy the last two months and a good review needs time. Wandalstouring (talk) 15:26, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ուղղագրություն[edit]

Շնորհակալություն Մարշալ ուղղագրական ճշտումների համար։ Սակայն մեկ հարց ևս. ինչպե՞ս է նախընտրելի գրել «Առանշահիկներ», երկու, թե՞ մեկ «r»-ով։ --Vacio (talk) 06:34, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ի դեպ, սիրելի Մարշալ, Առանշահիկների մասին Ուլուբաբյանը չէ, որ առաջինը գրել է։ Հուսով եմ ինչ-որ բան կկարողանամ գտնել Լեոյի (Առաքել Բաբախանյանի) մոտ հենց որ գնամ գրադարան։ Առայժմ ինձ մոտ կա հետևյալ արտագրությունը նրա «Հայոց պատմություն» աշխատությունից։

Առանշահիկների տոհմն անհետ չկորավ, ոչ էլ մոռացավ իր պայքարն այդ եկվորների (Միհրանյանների) դեմ, որոնք հափշտակել էին իր սեփականությունը։ Առանշահիկները Գարդմանից դուրս են մղվում հարևան լեռնային գավառները։ Երկու տոհմերի միջև հաստատվեց հին աշխարհի նվիրագործած արյան վրիժառությունը։

Լեո, Երկերի ժողովածու, հ. 2, Հայոց պատմություն. Երևան 1967, էջ 327։

Սակայն մեր ադրբեջանցի մասնակիցներ իսպառ պիտի՞ մեզ արգելեն օգտագործել հայերեն աղբյուրներ (Լեոն ինքն արցախցի էր)։ --Vacio (talk) 06:58, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Սիրելի Մարշալ, արդյոք դու ունե՞ս Չ. Դոուսետտի «Աղվանից պատմության» անգլերեն թարգմանությունը, եթե այո, ապա կարո՞ղ եմ քեզ խնդրել մեջբերել այն հատվածը, որտեղ ասվում է «Եւ ի սորա [Առան], ասեն, սերեալ զազգս Ուտէացւոց, Գարդմանացւոց, Ծաւդեացվոց և Գարգարացւոց իշխանութեանց» (գիրք 1, գլուխ 4), --Vacio (talk) 10:15, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I need your advice in this article, which's one section I proposed to merge to this one called The ARF Has Nothing To Do Anymore (book). --Vitilsky (talk) 21:49, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK[edit]

Updated DYK query On 24 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Vardan Areveltsi, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Jordan Contribs 09:53, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

karabakh war[edit]

What is your problem?why did you delete pohotos about khojaly and azerbaijan army? --Azturkk (talk) 10:20, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Katchaznouni article[edit]

Thanks for your offer of help. Here are the pages from the book that has a section about Hovhannes_Katchaznouni. I don't think the images have a valid "non-free use media rationale" so they will probably be erased from Wikipedia in a few days. So copy them to your own computer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Katchaznouni_biography_p236.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Katchaznouni_biography_p237.jpg
Meowy 15:54, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please leave a note if you have got them - they will be deleted in 7 days because they are not used in any article. Meowy 22:00, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Now Commons[edit]

Kars1917(2ndupload).jpg, an image uploaded from this account in April 2006, is now available as Kars1917ndupload29.jpg (commons:File:Kars1917ndupload29.jpg. — Athaenara 06:14, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK nomination of Satenik[edit]

Hello! Your submission of Satenik at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Dravecky (talk) 05:12, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1RR[edit]

No choice left. You're on 1RR per page per week for the next year, and this will be enforced by block if necessary. Moreschi (talk) 19:21, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Arshak Fetvadjian[edit]

Updated DYK query On February 14, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Arshak Fetvadjian, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Dravecky (talk) 04:21, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Headline text[edit]

Գիտե՞ս զորավար Անդրանիկը ինչ քաջ անձնավորություն էր: Դուք որտեղի՞ց եք և ինչ՞ու եք դուք անընդհատ սխալ կարծիք մտցնում այդ հոդվածը մեջ:--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 02:32, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Использовать русский, но я предпочитаю Английский в Английской Википедии. Таким образом, я могу слово третьего просмотра. У вас есть какие-либо возражения использовать страницу обсуждения. --Անդրանիկ (talk) 02:39, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

When removing content from an Armenian/Azeri/etc. related article, especially sourced content, you really need to offer an explanation on the talk page. The onus is on the person adding the content to justify it, but surely you understand that with these articles, reverts also have to be justified, so as to not trigger an edit war. --Golbez (talk) 02:54, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And I point out Moreschi's 1RR/week ruling above. --Golbez (talk) 02:55, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Hrach Bartikyan[edit]

Updated DYK query On March 24, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hrach Bartikyan, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 00:26, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Administrator named Sandstein[edit]

I noticed your attempt to point out Elsanaturk had breached AA1/AA2 restrictions, and how Sandstein ignored your information and actually threatened you. Have you come across this person before? I was wondering if perhaps you should complain about his actions and quite blatant double standards. I found it strange that Brand had waited a week before bringing his complaint against me - did he wait until a day he knew would fall under Sandstein's watch? Meowy 16:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Please see this report at WP:AE: [4] Thanks. Grandmaster 19:43, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

April 2009[edit]

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 2 days in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for for your violation of the 1RR restriction imposed on you per Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 and also for your violation of WP:BATTLE, WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL at [5] in WP:AE#MarshallBagramyan. Please stop. You are welcome to make useful contributions after the block expires. If you believe this block is unjustified you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here}} below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first.  Sandstein  20:47, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

MarshallBagramyan (block logactive blocksglobal blockscontribsdeleted contribsfilter logcreation logchange block settingsunblockcheckuser (log))


Request reason:

I never disputed the fact that I made those reverts. I honestly wish I didn't have to make them but in my judgment, the edits I were reverting were stemming from unilateral edits conducted by an administrator (Dbachmann) who has done nothing but to heap scorn and insults against Armenian historians. It's absurd to accuse me of WP:BATTLE and WP:CIVIL when that has been the crux of Mr. Dbachmann's edits (see the relevant talk page at Talk: Movses Khorenatsi). I repeatedly asked everyone, administrators and editors alike, to first achieve consensus and then go ahead with the controversial edits. Because Mr. Dbachmann did not heed my requests and made edits which no editor agreed with, I felt compelled to revert to the original version until a consensus was achieved. To add to this, Mr. Dbachmann continually launched insults against his opponents despite all calls for restraint. I will withhold making any reverts so long as there is productive discussion established on the talk page. Thank you. --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 21:03, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

You seem to want to spend more effort blaming Dbachmann instead of admitting fault. There's no real indication of willingness to stop, but rather rationalization of actions. kurykh 21:09, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]


If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Why have an unblock request option available, anyway? They're always declined. Administrators, of course, can never be at fault. We do have to assume good faith, so I will say that Dbachmann is a fine, amicable editor who tolerates disagreements with his changes to articles and would never make mean-spirited comments on discussion/talk pages. TA-ME (talk) 21:21, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Help in Armenian[edit]

Rebonjour,

Can you help me ? What is written here, p. 9, please ? (Not « Լաչդէօ Ամսօր այ »…)

Thank you,

Budelberger (   ) 18:32, 28 April 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Arbitration[edit]

Hi. Please see this request for arbitration: [6] Thanks. Grandmaster 05:54, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked for sockpuppetry[edit]

You have been blocked for 3 months for violating WP:SOCK. Per my request, a CheckUser determined that you were socking, or at least meatpuppeting, under the account The Diamond Apex. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 13:52, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Probably Dbachmann is behind it. I did warn Diamond Apex that Dbachmann is an unpleasant individual who holds a grudge and has plenty of meatpuppet admins to do his bidding. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.136.205.104 (talk) 19:18, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

MarshallBagramyan (block logactive blocksglobal blockscontribsdeleted contribsfilter logcreation logchange block settingsunblockcheckuser (log))


Request reason:

After taking a relatively enjoyable and relaxing Wikibreak for over a month, due to the burnout and edit wars of the past months, I feel like now is an appropriate time to have my block lifted. I have gone to great lengths and have largely explained to Nishkid64 and certain other administrators on how this mess unraveled, the details of which are probably better left in e-mails as they are sensitive and private in nature. I concede that I exercised poor judgment and made a mistake in not revealing my personal friendship with The Diamond Apex, who, despite the attempts by certain users to persuade otherwise, is indeed a real person behind a real account and not a meat/sockpuppet of mine. I wish to continue making fruitful contributions on Wikipedia and I am hoping that the reviewing administrator will find my explanation satisfactory to the degree that my block is lifted. If the details fall short of sufficiently explaining the situation, however, I would then ask you to either e-mail me or, even better, to speak with Nishkid64 so that he fill you in on all the details. Thank you.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 20:02, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

If you have explained to the blocking admin via e-mail, as you say, then as this a checkuser block wiki procedure requires that the decision to unblock should not be made without reference to the checkuser. So let us wait for him. --Anthony.bradbury"talk" 20:12, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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Barnstar[edit]

The Purple Barnstar
I user:Gazifikator award this Purple Star to user:MarshallBagramyan for his long time contribution in Armenian related articles.

Переименования[edit]

Не очень хорошо владею английским, потому сам не могу повлиять на эту ситуацию: 2 участника User:Brandmeister и User:Baki66 постоянно переименовывают названия карабахских деревень в выдуманные азербайджаном названия, Aghdara (town), Hasanriz (Azerbaijan). Они пытались сделать это в ходе официального переименования тут Talk:Noragyukh (Nagorno-Karabakh), но село не было переименовано. Теперь они переименовывают без всякого обсуждения. Gragg (talk) 14:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unblocked[edit]

You have been unblocked. Please keep your nose clean in the future. Best, Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 17:18, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Please keep your nose clean in the future" - seems the pot is calling the kettle black! Meowy 16:47, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Please see this AE report: [7] Thanks. Grandmaster 05:56, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Topic ban[edit]

For the reasons given at this AE thread, under the authority of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2#Amended Remedies and Enforcement, you are indefinitely topic-banned from Armenia and Azerbaijan, broadly construed. That is, you (under all accounts) are banned from pages related to Armenia or Azerbaijan, including edits to such talk pages and other fora, and also from edits related to Armenia or Azerbaijan in fora not dedicated to these topics. Violations of this ban may result in blocks ranging in duration from one week to indefinite.  Sandstein  20:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Topic ban reduced[edit]

Because of the possibility that the 1RR violation might have been a honest mistake, and acting on the advice of other administrators, I reduce the duration of the topic ban from indefinite to one month as of this message, to run concurrently with the 1RR restriction, which (like any other applicable sanctions) remains in effect unchanged.  Sandstein  07:21, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]