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Message from 3dnatureguy

Hi Martyman. I really do respect your dedication, and I'd like to totally co-operate with you and the other editors, who I see are all serious Wikepedia contributors. I haven't added new pictures, only the little icon that I think helps to define the nature of the image. An editor in Germany, came up with that, not me. But it is a good visual interface element, in my opinion. It could be made smaller, but that is not my icon. I think the size of the images has been some ofthe problem, so I have tried to reduce their size, as an example to show you and those concerned.I'm assuming that only you are seeing this, so please take it as a one o one. I take no offense, and in fact, truly apologize for any disrespect that you may think I may harbor. I don't. You're just a dedicated contributor. I will work with you, and I certainly will stop forging ahead willy-nilly. Maybe what I've posted has had a bias in favor of good 3D at the expense of my annoying idea of "compatability". It floats my boat, but clearly not yours! I get it now. There is in fact a different level of 3D,

that I might call "minimalist". Only perhaps, 1 person in a hundred would see it at half page size without glasses. Here is an example:

Most subtle level of embedded Anachrome 3D and maxed image, compared.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 3dnatureguy (talk • contribs) .

Hi, Matyman: I see it is not practical to send you an image that way. I'll put it on my talk page. It is is a camera.

Regarding "Nativeborncal", it was the name I used in discussing local California geography and issues. I seemed to be inapropriate for most general subjects. As a doctumentarian, favoring American Indian culture, it made me seem like a nativist is the "negative sense". I am outspokenly concerned about native peoples and preserving their cultures, art, in every way. 3Dnatureguy reflects my "green" leanings better. I don't intend to use the "native" name in future contributions. 3dnatureguy 21:53, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the camera example above is pretty resonable, but have a few points to make. Can you possibly argue that the 3D effect in that image is anywhere near as good as the one next to it? Also I would postulate that a lot more than 1 in 100 could pick the degradation if it was placed side by side with the 2D version. Also the particular image is good for not showing a lot of 3D artifacts as it has no detail at a depth, and suggest if you applied the same filter to an image with a detailed high contrast distant background the artifacts would still be noticable. I would be much happier if every 3D image uploaded to wikipedia looked like the one on the right (with far superiour 3D effect) and also followed one of our guidelines and was paired with a 2D image or made available through a specific 3D images link to commons. PS. could you please answer the questions I posted at Wikipedia Talk:3D Illustrations on that page, thanks. --Martyman-(talk) 22:20, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Sydney

Yes, I still want the map, colours for the different regions would be great to make them more obvious. A few more bits that could be added, but I'm not sure how practical some of them will be

• Paramatta since it's of historic interest
• Names of the Ocean/Sea, Bays and Rivers
• National Park names and/or outlines? (probably not very important, but interesting to show that Sydney is surrounded by NP)

--nixie 22:44, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

There really is no hurry, I'm a bit too busy to spend much time on Wikipedia at the moment, I have a paper to finish writing and all the lab work that didn't work last year is now working.--nixie 01:09, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

• Yep, you're right about the regions- they are regional bus contracts by the look of it. The regions on this map are not the same as those listed in the article, there is also a scheme with less regions, in this document, in the section called subregional planning. I like the shceme with fewer regions. I don't know where the scheme mentioned in the article )(and subsequent articles) even comes from, and it might be better to do away with regions in favor of something else. Mabye the Metroads? There are also more maps in the documents section here, but their pdfs are stuffed.--nixie 02:21, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Image:Flag of Australia template.svg

Hi! I came across the above image which you'd created. The data for Delta Crucis looks like it might be incorrect, though. Its position is given as centered 3/4 across and 1/6 up. Comparison with the placement of the other stars suggests that it might be about 7/8 across and 13/24 up. I don't know the correct values; perhaps you might want to take a look at it. Regards BillC 09:52, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, the 3/4 across, 1/6 up is obviously wrong. Vexilla-mundi says 86.1% across, and 63% up. dbenbenn | talk 17:43, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[1], which is more likely to be correct, says 31/36 = 86.11...% across, and 151/240 = 62.916...% up. dbenbenn | talk 17:55, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Mistaken star size in Australian flag template

Hi Martyman. Nice work on Image:Flag of Australia template.svg! I think there's a mistake. You say that the diameter of the large star is 3/20 the length of the flag, and the diameter of the small stars is 3/14 the length of the flag. Note that 3/14 is larger than 3/20. According to Vexilla-mundi, the 3/20 is right, and the small stars have diameter 143/2000 the flag length.

Also, it would be nice if you'd upload your construction sheet to the Commons. Thanks, dbenbenn | talk 17:29, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

According to the template at [2], the smaller stars should have diameter 1/14 the flag length. I think that number is more trustworthy than Vexilla-mundi. dbenbenn | talk 17:52, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Cool, thanks for pointing out the futher errors in my flag template. I think I must have forgotten to change the 3 to a 1 when I copied the text across from the big star. I got all my measurements from this and did the conversions in my head, so I am not too surprised I made some stupid mistakes. I will try to get a new version of it uploaded tonight. It is a shame that I can't get svg fonts to work out of illustrator or these changes could be made with a simple text editor, but as it is the text is included as shapes and I need to go back to the illustrator original to change things. --Martyman-(talk) 21:13, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Text included as shapes? Oh, evil! Maybe I'll give a shot at making it actual text some time. dbenbenn | talk 01:31, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

about the pictures

Hi, Martyman. I took all those pictures and I want to release them to the public domain. (I have some more; they are all made with a film photo camera and scanned afterwards)The problem is that is not always an easy task to choose from all that complicated copyright tags when you upload an image. When I first saw your message I tried to modify the copyright status but I couldn't figure out how. If you could explain me how to do it, I would be grateful. Cristibur, Feb 02, 2006, 00:21

Removing my info?

Hello,

Before you go and remove the information I have added, please go and check the sources. The information I am linking to is directly related to the topic, does not require registration to use, and covers,extensively, the species of reptile that I am linking the caresheet and information too.

This is not self propmotion but the spreading of additional information that is very relevant to the topics.

If you are not a reptile enthusiast, then I doubt you are aware of the negative and innacurate information found on the internet pertaining to their captive care.

If we are not allowed to link to quality information (several of the care articles I am linking to are published pieces of work in the Reptiles UK magazine), then what's the point of the external links section?

What AM I allowed to link to? I don't seem to understand how this site wants to have quality information when you won't allow the users to link to the quality info?

I would appreciate a response because if you follow the link, you will find that everything I have posted is very much relevant to the topics and is quality info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Herp Center (talk • contribs)

Image copyright info

Hello - I have modified the explanation of the image in question here and added a fair use tag, but also a request for a review. I hope the deletion tag can be removed until the review is complete? Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Ramallite ^(talk) 16:36, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm clicking on your communications box in hope that this will be a private message between two editors who mean well.

I shouldn't use a term like "mean spirited", because I don't think you are either. I was reacting to the tone of your telling me that my images were impropely labeled as to source, so would be rapidly removed. I really don't enjoy sparring with a person who's posted work is quite admirable. You're are passionate in your dedication to the Wiki ideal. I respect that. Frankly, I think I can learn to get along with any of the people who come to Wiki with good intent. Please cut me some slack as an " Newbie" to the culture. I can see now that I proceeded much too fast, to post potentially controversial images. By none of my doing, another highly critical, but well intended editor in Germany provided a nice little icon to reduce several of the problems, inate with 3D images. It serves as both a notice that the image is going to open with some 3D detail artifacting. And it encourages those who have the glasses to use them. It eliminates any text about "compatible 3D", leaving text to relate to the actual subject material. All of this is good.

We seem to see the 3D from a different perspecive. I know how many glasses have been distributed in 2005. It is between 25 and 40 million pair. I wouldn't expect many editors to know that, as most 3D activity is "below the public radar". The idea of "non-compatable 3D" is well demonstrated by the image of Old New York, that I took from a recent Wiki article to present as evidence" that "truly ugly 3D" exists, and is already on Wikipedia. Clients like ELI LILLY & CO. pay over 1000 dollars for me to convert a few images to 3D for trade show presentation. Along with Dr. Stoffer at the USGS, and and hundreds of smaller websites, I have helped to ratchet up the quality of 3D on-line images to a higher level. Our school of anaglyph puts normal picture quality, color, gamma, & detail ahead of deep 3D effect. The difference is usually like night and day. I have been multiple principle workshop presenter at most of recent National Stereoscopic Association conventions. I was the DMOZ editor for 3D stereo (under photography techniques) for over a year. At least half of the listing were added during my tenure in that role. Neither of us are on trial. You shouldn't have to respond to a long list of questions, and neither should I. At such time as we figuratively "shake hands as gentlemen who disagree" I'll trade friendly answers with you privately. I would be happy to send a few glasses to you for distribution to concerned editors. Since you are my most active critic, at this point, that can hardly be seem as "undo influence". I would be happy to provide up to 100 paper glasses to you (I don't make or sell them) and a half dozen plastic to you, for those who have been involved in the discussion. Feel free to treat this as public or private communication,It is intended for you only, but the call is yours. I greatly admire Australia's role in the world, and the perspective of Australians on-line. No more untoward remarks will come from me. It is possible that I don't understand fully what is proposed, but please take the effect of the "little icon" into consideration as you finalize the policy. I will only post examples on my User page, not in articles until the process is complete. I will also take steps to reload the images with proper source indicated. For the record 100% of the images have been my sole property until waived. Even the NASA images in 3D form can be copyrighted in their new format, if a reference to the conversion is plainly shown. I have waived rights on everthing, but apparently not properly. Give me a week to run down the images and I'll fix them. This is both an apology and a promise to follow through with corrections.69.237.12.19 20:08, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Trying to resolve this into something I can get behind.

I assume you read the message of a few minutes ago3dnatureguy 00:24, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Bad musician articles

Since they both make some claims to notability, they should probably go to AfD.--nixie 23:08, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Singaporean Athletes

hey, y all these articles does not have notability? can provide mre details? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaeltt (talk • contribs)

SEA GAMES

the south-east asia games is one of Asia's biggest games..It is enough notability.. As for the other, he took part in Asia Triathlon and is one of the nations top sportsmen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaeltt (talk • contribs)

hey ok..but he took part in sea games too. 2003. although he didnt win, he was in e squad. you can check him out using yahoo search. but if thats not enough. then nvm..thks anyway.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaeltt (talk • contribs)

Thanks very much

I'm a fan, but a not good at this. I appreciate your help! Josiewarvelle 07:48, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Can you help me?

I want to add Nevada Shakespeare Company to the categories it's under, but I can't figure out how... Josiewarvelle 07:56, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: Autotagger

Hi, I just discovered a fault with the autotagger you are developing. I was using the tab at the top and didn't notice till I had done about 50 images that the current date stuff doesn't expand and will alsways say today. Maybe it would be better if the script inserted {{subst:nsd}} or {{subst:nld}} which automatically expands out fully. I had lots of fun manually fixing them all, oh well that will teach me for using developmental software. ;-) --Martyman-(talk) 06:48, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry too much about getting the date right on no-source or no-license tags: OrphanBot's quite good at fixing up that sort of thing, and now that I've finished with the marathon first run through the "uploader unsure" category, I'll be doing a run through the "no source" and "no license" categories every other day. --Carnildo 07:49, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I really appreciate your help Martyman. The bug is fixed now, so you shouldn't have that specific problem anymore. If the tool is still useful in its current buggy state, by all means continue using it, but I could also give you a heads up once I feel the tool is more stable, if you like. ~MDD4696 17:27, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Good morning

I had just left a comment for the very brand new wikipedian who added that image of Mount Majura. I agree pictures of mountains in the cloud in Canberra are not very useful, except perhaps that you really need to be trying to take such an image rather than one on a nice sunny day like today. Perhaps though describing the image as "useless" in the edit summary was a little strong :-) (See for example, the comments on edit summaries at Wikipedia:How_to_copy-edit#Summary_note Regards--A Y Arktos 21:03, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

What the?! That stuff on the Mount Ainslie article was ridiculous! And the photo added to Mount Majura seems to be an obscure reference to this [3]. At least those additions are less insidious than the number vandals. Garglebutt / (talk) 21:22, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I am obviously too naive - there I was tying to take him seriously and be helpful :-(. (I don't watch Mt Ainslie).--A Y Arktos 21:45, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Images

"I am happy to give you a hand working out these copyright tagging issues if you need any help."

O yes please! That would make this bunny very happy indeed. I know nothing about which images can and can't be used. I just cheerfully take them off other sites and list which sites I take them from. SilkTork 21:55, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm putting in the logo tag, etc. And I'm deleting the seven day warning at the same time. Am I right to delete the warning? SilkTork 22:35, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

"I should have made it more clear that the tempaltes are added by simply placing the text {{templatename}} without the tl| bit which I was just using to make the templates appeal as links instead of appearing as they would on the image page."

That's flown right over my head and landed in the garden pond. I tried to put the name of Gold Dragon in the logo for Gold Dragon. It turned red. So I put the name of the image in the box. And I'm not sure what I've now done and I'm now weeping so hard I am about to float out the door.... Well... perhaps the weeping bit is a slight exaggeration, but I am mildly frustrated. SilkTork 22:44, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm getting there. I have been reading the stuff on use of images. And I have just looked at how you have dealt with my pics. I do find an example easier to follow than an explanation. A picture is worth a thousand words. I think most of us find our way round Wiki or any other new experience by looking at how something is done rather than listening to explanations. Explaining how to do something is really really really hard. Almost as hard as trying to follow an instruction manual. Anyway - I'm going to have a beer! Thanks for your brilliant help. It's always nice to come upon someone who is so patient.

You are a cool geezer. SilkTork 23:03, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks - you were right, I just didn't see them. Josiewarvelle 02:48, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

photo liscences

I have changed my photo informations, tell me if this is ok.

Thanks, Fred

I have COMPLETELY CHANGED MY MIND and no longer advocate "one size fits all" 2D/3D approach on Wikipedia

I am totally in your camp. By having an otherwise identical image in 2D with a tiny icon opens into the 3D option level. One of the advantages of our type of 3D is that it really looks a lot like the 2D image in terms of color, gamma, and detail. That isn't true of less advanced anaglyph images. One of the main advantages is the ability with good glasses to see minute details of texture. That is why nearly all optical microscopes made in the last 40 years are binocular. Now that seeing 3D on Wiki is purely elective, there is no reason why I can't provide good glasses to editors who need to know what the 3D can actually do. We have about 400% more color spectrum to work with. I greatly respect your rigorous approach to education imaging. Let me send a small supply of glasses to you that you can pass on to active editiors. To objectively judge the value of this form of display is is fair and ethical that since I can get glasses at greatly reduced prices, I should pass them on to Wiki editors as a tool. I would be happy to post a thumbnail gallery of available images and accurate captions that could help editors to know what is readily available. I would be delighted to convert a few images each month from existing Commons files,to a good color 3D version. I will try to make a 2D version of perhaps a third of the images that remained in use, but this will take time. Here is a sample of a new pair that is purely 2D in one and 3D in the other:

Miniature Roman Bronze figurine-Mars 100 C.E. (3D image available)

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Please redo this with the glasses link leading to the 3D picture, so I can see how th link is prepared. Note that these two thumbs are very close in quality, but I preper seeing just one on a regular article with the icon keying the link. Best regards.3dnatureguy 06:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC) I see that you have revised the link structure...Bravo. I'll study the underlying html. 3dnatureguy 20:17, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Commons could be a problem.

I enjoy some special privilages as I am a working photo-journalist, a sometimes tv news videographer, and long time documentarian. I am allowed to shoot in places where a photographer working "free lance-commercial", might not be allowed. I never sell footage or images in the market place as stock images. Everything I shoot is to be posting along with some information, and falls under journalistic activities. I must respect the special access I enjoy be not compromising the interests of the owners of the object that I photograph. Someone could offer me a thousand dollars for any image for a book cover, for example, but I would have to decline. I never shoot where photography is specifically forbidden without written permits to do so. I don't see how I can upload images to Commons, and be consistant with the Journalistic common practices where displayed objects are involved. The limited restrictions that I specify are in line with the terms of access I work under. The fact that I often restrict the posting to a 3D image only, this gives me a "bullet proof" secondary protection, as the images are PRE-SPOILED for those who might wish to take them for 2D commercial use. Perhaps keeping the 2D images down to 150K file size might be sufficient to keep them out of the print market. What are your thoughts?3dnatureguy 21:51, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Museums, public exhibitors, know that unless they post a display with a "No photography Permitted" Notice, they can neither restrict amateur photography, or photo-journalists from taking pictures and using them in either a personal or journalistic context. As long as I post with captions, and since I do also edit text with no pictures on Wikipedia, it is an extension of my role as Journalist. Keeping the size far below normal publication size standards is probably enough. We do have freedom of press in most nations. I will only post 2D images up to 150K. Museums try to make money from book covers, or full page book plates, not from internet information pictures. This is in fact, ancilary promotion for museums. A 150K image will suffice on line, but be clearly substandard for publication on paper. The 3D images, since they are PRE-SPOILED can be of any size.3dnatureguy 22:22, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome

I wasn't sure whether he was notable at first either -- first glance looked like a vanity bit, but a glance at his website, his Amazon bio, etc. convinced me that he's worth writing about. Glad I could tidy it up (now for Jon Finn Group....)!  :) — Catherine\^talk 06:13, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

There is no practical problem as long as the files are smallish in 2D

In the nine years that I have posted 3d images on the internet in 3D, there have been no complaints, and nobody has used any of them to prepare a book. Museums care about art tresures being used on book covers. They won't allow a journalist to publish a big picture unless it is on a periodical cover, rather than an art "coffee table book". I have been fully credentialled as a news cameraman,reporter, and news director and have been allowed to photograph U.S. Presidents from 3 feet away, crime scenes, space shots (Apollo 11), and behind the scenes in the British Museum, and others. Because I truly am a journalist, and follow the rules, I can get pictures of objects for any media purpose other than content for a fine arts book, or any hi-res picture book of natural history etc. The copyright belongs to the photographer, not the owner of a publicly displayed object, if that photographer is part of the working press. I never shoot special traveling exhibits, without written permission, just the permanent collection, where non-flash pictures are permitted. My gut tells me that a 150K image will not wind up on a book cover. And if it does, I can sue to person who ignored the "no front or back cover" minimal restriction. The 3D is not likely to go onto a cover, but any Wikibooks can print them inside, with no consequences. As a journalist or documentarian, I am covered by all kinds of "fair use" precendent, and under "common law" I am the primary copyright holder. Museums can't use my images without permission. They have to take there own pictures. When you buy a picture from a museum, it is a copy of a picture they own, not the object as a photo subject. If we keep my pictures down to 600 by 900 pixels in 2D I think we will have no trouble.The 3D can be larger of course. I am happy to sign a release to Wikipedia,on paper with my true name, address etc, but don't choose to do that online. The various photos that apprear in photo magazines are about the photo related issues, not the subject. That qualifies as "fair use for journalism", so long as the magazine talks about F stops, shutter speeds, emulsions, focal lengths, film size, or even compositinal issues. The tabloid photographers, are techically "photo-journalists" and hence get away with SO-MUCH. My long time Jouralist status can be a great asset to Wikipedia, as almost anything public is fair game to a journalist. I have the right to pick the subjects of my journalistic output, within broad limits.3dnatureguy 06:32, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

How do we set up a policy formulation on redlinks?

Appreciate your input Martyman and that of user:Gracefool, user:Nandesuka, user:Searchme, user:Tempshill, user:Bookandcoffee etc. It seems to be getting a fair bit of attention. How can we (I'll do the work as you suggest) turn it into a policy formulation? Please. VirtualSteve 08:14, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Subscription card?

What are you refering to? I don't copy museum documents intentionally. It could be from a mistagged file. Details, Martyman, please. 3dnatureguy 21:52, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Stub links

Hi Martyman - you wrote: A few editors are having a bit of a conflict at the moment about links to wikiprojects from stub tags. As you seem to be the stub guru on wikipedia I thought I would ask for your input.

Heh. don't know about that, but... there's not any hard and fast rule at WP:WSS about it, ut I know that links to wikiprojects from the templates do annoy some editors. Some wikiprojects compromise by having a link at the top of the stub category rather than in the stub template (I know that Category:Cricket stubs is one that does that).

oh and I just noticed that my talk page was your 50000 edit, I fell honoured. ;-)

:) If your post to my talk page had been a few days later, this reply might have been my 60,000th (I'm only about 300 edits off that mark!) Grutness...wha? 06:44, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Do you think some sort of guideline about it would be best achieved through WP:WSS or at a policy/guideline level as part of WP:MOS?

possibly a bit of each. Either it's something that could start off with discussion at WSS then be proposed as an official guideline, or conversely proposed as a guideline, but with WSS kept in the loop and its members being some of the more vocal in the discussions. The second way might be better, since it's more to do with the protocol of what a stub template can or can't be than its use in sorting, and is probably more relevant to the individual wikiprojects concerned than it is directly to WSS. Grutness...wha? 07:02, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Question from Damo88

Im confused at the tags, I don't understand them well and i dont see a tag for TV station logo, like some other tv logos have. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Damo88 (talk • contribs)

gorilla

Time to make a revert.... - UtherSRG (talk) 21:18, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Font used by Wikipedia

Martyman

Many thanks for your reply. Clearly something is different at your end than it is here. You are correct that "Č" should come out as Capital C Carron (C with a curvy thing on top). However, that and many other "unusual" characters come out for me as a square box. I am using Internet Explorer through AOL, and do not generally have this problem on other websites. My encoding is set as Unicode (UTF-8). I have also tried setting encoding to other settings, including Central European (Windows), but that produces something entirely different ("AS" I think!). Skinsmoke 01:31, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for trying anyhow! Skinsmoke 01:47, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Images

How can I upload images that aren't from sources such as the Library of Congress?

How do I delete images that I uploaded that I realized the copyright would not work? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Of7271 (talk • contribs)

Re: Image autotagger

Some further feedback/suggestions. The way I normally work these untagged images is to pick one image, tag it and then do every other image the editor has uplaoded. Then I notify the editor about all of them with advice on how to fix it. If the script could somehow accept a user's image uploads as the input it would be great. Also I noticed before if you are going through the image list and find an image that needs a subtle change like a tag closed correctly if you press edit in the image browser window the script automatically saves the description before you can do anything (and if I remember right it blacks it too). I am not sure if there is any way to work around that problem though. PS. Thanks for the vote at RfA. --Martyman-(talk) 06:53, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestions. I plan on implementing a bunch of new features over the course of this week, so don't be surprised if the tool breaks occasionally. I will try to keep the fast tagger tab operational, but the main autotagger box will probably be messed with a lot. The tool is stable right now, so if you don't want to be affected by the upcoming changes, it might be a good idea to copy the code to your monobook.js instead of including it. ~MDD4696 04:06, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

If you could you make a page in your user space for a stable version that people can link to it would be great (maybe User:Mdd4696/Autotagger). It would give everyone a central place to include the javascript from. That way you could update it with new features from your cutting edge version at will. --Martyman-(talk) 04:39, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, fine. You forced me into it ;). Stop making good suggestions and being so helpful and nice and everything already! Admins are supposed to be mean and nasty! Heh, anyways... I had been trying to put that off until I was more organized, but who knows when that would be. Documentation has been posted at User:Mdd4696/Image Autotagger. ~MDD4696 05:21, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Cool, that seems to work great for me. Thanks for all the work you have been putting in to it. The only trouble now is you won't get instant "you broke that again" type feeedback when you are working on it (which could be intrpreted as a god thing). --Martyman-(talk) 05:38, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's both good and bad. When I know people are using the tool, live, it forces me (somewhat) to fix the bugs right away. But then again, not having it live lets me experiment and play around a lot more. Anyways, I've got some cool things coming up. I'm incorporating code from Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups so that an image thumb appears in the main tagger box instead of another window, and you'll be able to move that main tagger box around. It's bedtime for me now though... goodnight! ~MDD4696 05:45, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Small problem I discovered with the autotagger (in particular the quick tag tab). I tried to nsd Image:Княз Борис(1997).jpg and it doesn't seem to support unicode or something but I ended up creating a new description page called Image:%u041A%u043D%u044F%u0437 %u0411%u043E%u0440%u0438%u0441(1997).jpg. Not a huge problem but you might know an easy fix, so I thought I would let you know. --Martyman-(talk) 09:06, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Ah, that is certainly a problem. It is something that will take a little longer to fix, so if you come across more images with non-alphanumeric characters, it'd probably be best to do those by hand. Thanks! ~MDD4696 22:52, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Biff loman9

G'day mate, yeah it looks like they are one and the same. I have left a message on his talk page. Keep fighting the good fight mate. Cheers -- Ianblair23 (talk) 22:59, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Message from metb82

Hello and thanx for letting me know.But the website i copied the images from states that all the images on their website are copyrighted to them and they highly encourouge the use of their images for any purposes.Here is the link of the page that talks about the copyright issue.http://wowturkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14278 .It clearly states in Turkish that

"Sevgili ziyaretçilerimiz,

Amacımız doğrultusunda, sitemize koyduğumuz fotoğrafların internete yayılması ve kullanılması çok hoşumuza gidiyor. Ne kadar yayılırsa, karşılık beklemeden yaptığımız bu çalışmalarımız ile o kadar gurur duyuyoruz. Lütfen alın fotoğraflarımızı tepe tepe istediğiniz yerde kullanın!

Yalnız, çok ufak bir ricamız var : Sitemizin küçücük logosunu illa fotoğraftan silmek gerekirse, o zaman fotoğrafı kullandığınız yerde herhangi başka bir şekilde sitemizi kaynak belirtmeniz gerekiyor. Bu maalesef kanuni bir zorunluluk. "

which is translated as:

"Dear guests,

According to our ambition, we like the spreading of the photographs that we put in our wesite to be used and spreaded thoughout the internet. The more it spreads, we are more proud of the work that we do without expecting anything in return.Please use our photographs as you like!

But we have a small request : If you really have to delete the tiny logo of our site from the photographs, then please mention our site as the source at the site that you are using our logo. This is unfortunately a legal must."

As you see the photographs are copyrighted but free to be used.But if there is anything more that i should do about this please let me know before you delete the photographs.Thanx, Mehmet.

Done

I've blocked him for 48 hours. If this doesn't do the trick and you're not yet an admin in 48 hours, feel free to give me another yell. :) Ambi 08:30, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Image licence tag

Thanks for your message about the tag for the image on my User page. I think a cc-by would be ok but please advise me if this is not right. Where do I put the tag? How does one prove ownership or permission to use an image. This happens to be one I have made as a painting, but in future I am planning on writing some articles on painters with images of their work-mostly Russian Constructivists of the 1900s.
paula clare 14:17, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Book Cover

I'll look it up if the image is actually of a book cover or not. My friend who uploaded the image quite often knows what she's talking about and often reads those books. So if she says it's a book cover it's probably a book cover. I'll ask her in person what book and I'll also look for it on the Internet. Please don't delete it until I talk to her or find evidence from the Internet. MOE ^Epsilon 02:46, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Alberta Maps

These maps are the same ones I have been "drawing" for locating various communities in Alberta. They are common maps which I have modified by coloring all the districts except the one in which the community is located and then marking the town in red. I have done this for a number of communities before and it wasn't questioned. What should I have done to meet the issue you have addressed? Cadillac 02:23, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

The original map came from Image:Censusdivisions.PNG where I cropped the province of Alberta and enlarged it then modified it accordingly. The first one, if I remember correctly, was Alta1.png. I see that Alta2.png has the tag: GFDL presumed. All the Alberta maps, therefore, were modified creations from that first Canada site which was given "free license." Cadillac 02:54, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

I checked the Canada site again. It says he modified a gov't of Canada map. How much or to what degree he modified it, I don't know. My Alberta maps were created in good faith. Cadillac 03:11, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Census divisions map

The map is free because I created it. I just got the outlines from a government map. -- Earl Andrew - talk 07:23, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, this is exactly what I have done. -- Earl Andrew - talk 08:19, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

RE: User Page Design

Hi, just thought I would let you know I like the new layout you are using on your user page with the rounded corners (stuff IE). Gosh, thats a sweet set of skills, pretty much the best that I know of, you must get all the girls. ;-) In case you didn't get the reference --Martyman-(talk) 21:39, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Uhh... thanks. I prefer user pages such as User:Sceptre but I like mine, too. And I definitely agree with you about IE. Oh, and I didn't get the reference because I did not (*gasp*) watch Napoleon Dynamite.

That was a pretty random comment, though. I know some people that leave me comments or "know" me watch my user page but I've never seen you around Wikipedia before as far as I can remember (except for when I saw your listing yesterday on RfA but I didn't vote because I never vote when there is >50 votes of support and <5 of opposition, since it's clear the candidate will win, but I voted anyways just now because I might as well).

Okay, now I'm the one being random. Anyways, thanks for the positive feedback! --M@thwiz2020 23:39, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't sure why you are on my watchlist either (I am pretty overzelous in watching things, I think it is close to 1400 pages by now). We where discussing an untagged image back in January so that is probably it. I noticed you added the rounded corners and I hadn't seen it before on wikipedia so thought I would check it out, and then the heading "skills" reminded me of the hillarious scene in ND where they are discussing how they are going to get girlfriends and what skills they have. Anyway I guess you had to be there. Thanks for the vote. Catch you round. --Martyman-(talk) 23:47, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I remember that discussion about the image now! I searched my talk page for your name but couldn't find it - the discussion was archived! How do you monitor such a big watchlist? I disabled the option to add all pages I edit to my watchlist (see Special:Preferences) because mine was getting too big - of course, now, I forget to add pages to my watchlist that I should because the option is disabled! Maybe I'll watch ND one day to see what you mean. See you around, and use your new mop (which you will acquire very soon) wisely! --M@thwiz2020 23:53, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

CLW

I'm a little unclear on how exactly this involves you, I was thinking that this was something between me and CLW. I was waiting to see if he/she would respond and give me an explanation, instead of other users excuses.JesseG 04:01, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations!

Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Cecropia 06:33, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations on your new mop! Sango123 (talk) 12:55, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome! Good luck with your admin chores! :) -- Cecropia 06:39, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Same here - no probs with the support - good luck and have fun! If you've got any questions, feel free to drop me a note :) Grutness...wha? 09:18, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Well done. enochlau (talk) 09:21, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations, and you're very welcome! Mushroom (Talk) 09:26, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations Martyman --Ugur Basak 09:36, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Keep up the good work! —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-02-20 10:04Z

Wow! 78's a pretty impressive result. Congratulations. --Scott Davis ^Talk 10:40, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Nicely done! Congrats on being promoted - you truly deserved it! Brisvegas 13:06, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Congrats and have fun on your new responsibilities! -- Siva1979^{Talk to me} 14:16, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Congrats, and all the best. --Bhadani 14:23, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Way to go man! Just remember not to let the apparently clueless ones get to you! ++Lar: t/c 15:16, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

You are welcome and congratulations. Good luck.--Dakota ~ ° 15:19, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Congrats and good luck! --Duk 15:41, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome, and congratulations! Jayjg ^(talk) 20:32, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

78 to 2? Wow! I'm sure you'll make an excellent admin! --M@thwiz2020 20:57, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Congrats mate, very well deserved!! -- Ianblair23 (talk) 21:01, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Well done Marty. Hopefully your stress meter will move to "just fine"! Garglebutt / (talk) 21:11, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Best wish for your adminship.--Jusjih 23:00, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Well done. I'll get in touch if I need help. The more Australian Admins the better. Do you know anyone in Canberra who could do a better job on Bruce Hall? I've stayed there many times visiting RSC and think it could be a better article, but I do not have the knowledge. --Bduke 09:47, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Done. Khing 10:46, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Earl of Bessborough

Hello,

I'm not sure why my last link didn't go through.

http://data4.collectionscanada.ca/netacgi/nph-brs?s2=&s4=&s3=&s1=Bessborough&s8=&Sect4=AND&l=20&Sect1=IMAGE&Sect2=THESOFF&Sect4=AND&Sect5=FOTOPEN&Sect6=HITOFF&d=FOTO&p=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.collectionscanada.ca%2Farchivianet%2F02011503_e.html&r=0&f=S

Try the search window and click on the first link to display the needed information (copyright info). If there are any problems, message me again and I'll try it another way.Homagetocatalonia 22:55, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

No problem about Bessborough. I also redid the picture for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Earlofathlone.jpg. Same setup as before with the Bessborough article.

Semi protection

I've semi-protected your user page due to vandalism. According to Wikipedia:Protection policy, this may be temporary or permament - your choice :) --Duk 02:41, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Your welcome. See Wikipedia:Protection_policy#Uses for user page/ subpage policy. --Duk 03:00, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Image:Ritsuobi.JPG update

Hi Martyman, I talked to AyameIkuyu for you. This of course being in real-life. See said the image DOES come from a book cover, a book called "Loveless". Not sure about anything else but she said something else. Something about it being in the 4th manga series or something of the sort. I will try to remember to write down everything else she told me later. She also said an artists name but it was a Japanese name, I forgot it. I'll add the actual information later. Moe ε 21:01, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Charles Thun

The information on this is valid and correct. Please let this page remain. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Spotthatby210 (talk • contribs) .

FYI, this page has been recreated again. Fightindaman 03:20, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Charles Thun Again

Charles Thun is a notable teacher who has provided much service to the Santa Monica community. He has helped raise fundraisers to remodel the school and has raised test scores through the roof. He is an active figure for the Santa Monica Liberals and it would not harm anyone to have his information up there. There is no logical reason to take down a harmless page honoring a man that has contributed so much to the lives of his students and his community. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Spotthatby210 (talk • contribs) .

Once again

I understand your reasoning, but numerous students have petioned to honor him, and he is an avid member of wikipedia. Regardless, students will attempt to create new pages and it will further your work load. There are endless amounts of misinformation on wikipedia, and this is at least a real page about a real person who has contributed greatly to our lives. Students and admirers will continue to post regardless of efforts to suppress his honor. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Spotthatby210 (talk • contribs) .

Speedy deletion woes

Should I give up and instead list if for AfD or should the page be protected or the user blocked?

Hi Martyman, In a case like this I would leave the page alone for a day, let things cool down. Another admin might clean it up by then too. I wouldn't block a user who is getting a little combative and has some misconceptions, but who otherwise seems to want to contribute. --Duk 03:25, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I deleted and protected it. No need to block, I don't think (though I warned the user); I doubt there will be any more trouble over this. I'll unprotect the page and delete it for good in a few days. Chick Bowen 05:10, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

No problem, Martyman. If there are formal rules about recreation I'm not sure where they are, but it does seem to me that 3RR applies to any repetitve reversion, including recreating a whole article (or undeleting or deleting one, for an admin). But yes, I think it's always best when a situation gets a little hairy to have a couple of admins involved--you absolutely did the right thing here. As for protecting it, if it weren't past my bedtime I probably wouldn't have--just deleted it and seen what would happen. But I didn't feel like waking up tomorrow morning and finding it there, particularly since the stuff on your talk page above sounds like a threat to keep recreating it. See you later, Chick Bowen 05:32, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Sorry but I do not understand.

Hi, this is User Galileo007, what 'nonsense' are you referring to?

Did you research? I must agree that 'child prodigy' may be somewhat hyperbolic. But Yossef and Gal Av-Gay did/do exist, and so does the University Transition Program.

I am currently searching for the newspaper clipping which announced Gal Av-Gays death, but if this is a matter of individual importance than it is not my opinion whether or not this article deserves to be displayed. I was a close friend of his.

I have found the article and hopefully it will be available by tomorrow on the net, Unfortunately I do not have current access to a scanner.

I understand...Hopefully he will become more greatly recognized in the future. I will do my best to publicize his work i.e classical guitar music/poetry and so on. It is too bad he was too young to contribute to the world of science.

Need Help

I need help from an administrator. There's an anonymous user who has been vandalizing Raymond Samuels all night. Is there anything that can be done to block him. He's mane at least 20 vandalice edits. Thank for any help. Chuck 10:20, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Chuck 10:37, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Unlawful content

I am the legal representative for Raymond Samuels, and your content has been posted without his permission.

The name 'Raymond Samuels' will be deleted immediately, or Wikipedia will be sued for damages under U.S. and international law.

As the legal agent, I have the Power of Attorney to remove your unlawfully posted content.

Thanks!

Well, first time my user page got blanked; at least some "good" came out of it. :-) Thanks!

The Minister of War ^(Peace) 00:29, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

He got a new one: 62.255.232.12 (talk · contribs · block log). He's also busy vandalising User:Antaeus Feldspar, and User:Peruvianllama, makes him easier to track. Me, I'm going to bed! The Minister of War ^(Peace) 00:35, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

And another one: 62.255.232.82 (talk · contribs · block log). The Minister of War ^(Peace) 00:48, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

sprotect Leicester?

Hi Martyman, good to see the action taken on Engelbert Humperdinck (singer). I wonder if it would be a good idea to sprotect Leicester too, repeatedly targetted by the same vandal? Best wishes Flapdragon 01:30, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Copyvios

Hi, congrats on the adminship. If you think the text is sus, list it on WP:CP - technically only new copyvios can be speedied anyway.--nixie 03:26, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Lord Willingdon

I agree that the text of our article is similar to that on the Canadian government's site; I would note that their date of posting is last September, while Adam Bishop wrote the main text of our article in August of 2003. Mackensen (talk) 22:38, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

• [4] There's the version the article would have been copied from.
• ...and we grab the same link independently. My objections are satisfied. Thanks for your response, Mackensen (talk) 02:37, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Orphanbot

Thanks for your timely response. Pengo.gif was in use by the Pengo (game) article. See its talk page for how it got deleted. I'll take up the issues with the apropriate people. Thanks.

—Pengo 02:17, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi, yes I can see why pengo.gif was deleted too. It wasn't my image (if it were i'd have a backup), and I didn't notice it was gone until too late. There would be numerous solutions to the problem at many different levels. Watching individual files is one. Having "smarter" templates or just not using them in this way is another, or having admins check the previous usage of an orphaned image (which may be difficult as wikimedia is written today), but most important seems to be to draw the problem to the attnetion of people who can find a fix for it. So i've done that.

P.S. nice SVG Eureka flag. I don't know why it hasn't replaced the PNG version I made and put on the Eureka Stockade article a long time ago.

—Pengo 03:16, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Image tagging

You recently expressed interest in helping people with putting the correct copyright tags on their images. I've created a page for people notified by OrphanBot to ask about image tagging: User talk:Carnildo/images. If you could keep an eye on it and help answer questions, that would be appreciated. --Carnildo 05:24, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

This is sort of related to image tagging, but moreso to your list of problem uploaders. You may not be aware that a while ago Jimbo said that users who are knowingly and repeatedly violating copyright can be blocked, so feel free to warn and block if necessary.--nixie 06:16, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Psst

Check out this page. Pass it along. Nudge nudge. -- evrik 17:15, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: TUNE! FM

Hi. I have been thinking about starting Neville Fletcher (who is a visiting fellow here a the ANU) and noticed your aritcle on TUNE! FM mentions him. I think his work as a scientist is notable and he deserves an article. I didn't know about his part in helping establish Armidale's youth radio station, it's amazing how much info there is on this funny little website of ours ;) --Martyman-(talk) 22:59, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi Martyman. Neville Fletcher was Professor of Physics at UNE in the 1970s. I still have some copies of his correspondence with the licencing authority and others to establish the station. Happy to contribute a small section if you get an article up. Congratulations on your recent adminship. - Gimboid13 17:43, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Columbus Crew 29 RfA

You are welcome! ColumbusCrew29 18:11, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Hartebeest

Hi,

I noticed you were warning User:Hartebeest about uploading copyrighted photos that he just grabs from around the web. Wanted to let you know he's still doing it today. Tempshill 00:24, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Community Portal

I have been busy and haven't logged on in a few days so I missed the Community Portal stuff, but it looks like you did a good job of getting the policies and buidelines section back. Good Work. Sorry I wasn't around to help. -- Adz|talk 06:11, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Possum Game

No worries. It always makes me feel powerful to close a discussion. Bobby1011 05:42, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Martyman: I'd like to request that in future you please close your own AfD's. If you look at the AfD page right at the moment, the Possum Game AfD was closed with a message that states, "The result of the debate was "Speedy delete." The result of the debate was not speedy delete - there was one vote cast, not a debate; and the vote was for "delete," not "speedy delete." In addition, the person who closed the AfD was not the deleting admin - in fact, he is not even a sysop.

In fact, there's no way for a non-admin to verify that the article met speedy deletion criteria; that it was even nominated for speedy deletion; or that it was speedied in good faith. I watch AfD very carefully for abuses and violation of policy; this kind of closure is irregular, out of process, and does not leave a transparent record of what happened, who did it, and why. You could easily fix this by closing your own AfDs and leaving an appropriate, factual message about what was done and for what reasons; leaving this task to a user who is not an admin risks what happened here, which was that the AfD was closed inappropriately. -ikkyu2 (talk) 01:28, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick reply. The context is that Bobby1011 has inappropriately closed at least 2 other AfD's today, and I'm trying to figure out exactly what is going on and why. It's a bit of a pain, actually, and I'm somewhat annoyed; sorry if that came across as condescending. -ikkyu2 (talk) 01:40, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

message

oh you make it so easy for me not to mess up your page. that is nice.

one more question, if you are still there. can you look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Millsberry and tell me if the tip at the very bottom was the right way/place to post? pretty please? I don't want to look like a dork (any more than needed) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qqtpie (talk • contribs)

re:goo2amr

please explain what is wrong with my article, i have left my references on the speedy deletion page. Mr. Goon, whome this artcile is about, is well known in the region of pakistan and has migrated to the UK. The company names listed can be viewed as legitimate companies listed with companys house in the UK. Both books i mentioned which have referecnes to mr. goon are availble on AMAZON, and if there are doubts about the credibility of the article, one can view this ... hence please get back to me to tell me if i put the page up again, and if not i would liek to know why? As i have read the page on the speedy deletion policies and thsi page clealry does not fit into the catagory

Painters, sculptors, architects, engineers, and other professionals whose work is recognized as exceptional and likely to become a part of the enduring historical record of that field - UNDER this catagory MR. Goon is Notable- please look up the books. In the cultre guide to Pakistan, which has an audience of over 5000- thereofre meeting the NOTABILITY criteriom there is an enitre article relating to MR. Goon, who has signifigantly contributed to the cultre of pakistan, with particualr reference to innovation in shisha making. The dissertation written is infact availble at Lumps university Lahore, pakistan.

okay - please can u tell me how to post on the deletion review as i am unsure and it is unclear