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Whats your problem????

If Mediatrafic used sales and airplay, ai se eu te pego isnt sold 7.2 million but 3.014.000 check this http://www.mediatraffic.de/tracks-2012.htm

Please do not undo my edits they are correct,if you do not believe the problem is not my — Preceding unsigned comment added by MoreMoneyGomes (talk • contribs) 00:12, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

You are wrong. The 7.2 million for "Ai Se Eu te Pego!" is directly from IFPI itself. You can see the official sales report on page 12 of the 2013 IFPI Report.
mediatraffic.de is considered a "bad chart" on Wikipedia, one that cannot be used. It is also listed as one of the chart websites to avoid.--Mαuri’96 “everything and nothing always haunts me…” 00:20, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Buzzjack

Hey, I know we use that list of the top 200 best-selling singles from Buzzjack and say it's a reliable source. Does that mean anything from Buzzjack can be considered reliable? What I'm referring to is this; I was checking the sources provided by the person who wanted "Raise Your Glass" included on the list of best-selling singles; is this topic reliable? (If not, that really sucks for Pink because I added up the certifications + the actual US sales and without the UK sales, it's at 4.98 million. So close, yet so far) politoed89/austin 20:34, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

First off, I can't see the page you posted because it's a members-only post.
Second, not necessarily. The reason we use that particular top 200 best-selling singles list is that it gets updated nearly every week and its numbers match the ones posted at reliable sources such as Chart Watch. When I say "the Buzzjack list is a reliable source" I mean that particular list, not everything posted on the Buzzjack website.
I'll do what I can to locate UK sales for "Raise Your Glass" at musicweek. --Mαuri’96 “everything and nothing always haunts me…” 21:16, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Central American certifications

Hi Mauri96! I left a message at Talk:List of music recording certifications#Central America certifications and was wondering if you could help me find the certification standards for Central America and the certifying authority for it. Thanks. Erick (talk) 21:30, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

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BAD BY MICHAEL JACKSON is listed twice on BEST SELLING ALBUM LIST

Hi I thought you should know some "mal-informed" being, has placed MJ's BAD album twice on the best selling album list, I would've changed it but I don't have semi-protected edit right.,,,,,,,,,thanks,,,,--65.8.187.217 (talk) 10:01, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Use of subterfuge to bypass edit filter

You were blocked from making a change using atrl.net three times( [1][2][3]). You obviously figured out that it was objecting to you linking to the forrums at atrl.net because you inserted a space to trick the filter. You've been around here long enough to know that you cannot use forums as sources. You got a great big error message that said

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Music Box Mariah Carey

There are several Third Party Reliable sources that assures the 32 million seller from a very highly prestigious stages than inguisiter.com:

fidelovkurt 02:24, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

In addition to the Emancipation of Mimi, All the claimed sales are based on certifications... Actual sales are normally as higher as 30% to 40% of their total certified Unitsfidelovkurt 03:28, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
Not done: The fact remains that as late as 2001 Sony Music China confirmed the album had only sold 25 million copies worldwide.
Furthermore, mediatraffic/Guillaume Viera estimate only 26 million copies sold. This is in line with available sales+certifications of 18.6 million worldwide (19.6 million if Korean sales were included).
Also, I suggest you take a look at MariahJournal's worldwide sales estimates for Mariah Carey's album discography. Keep in mind that despite being a fansite, incorporating official and estimated actual sales, and having an obvious conflict of interest, they still manage to estimate worldwide sales of 26 million for Music Box
Out the four sources you listed:
- The fourth is copied line-by-line, table-by-table from Wikipedia.
- The first is a self-published source, and the exception for "established expert on the subject matter" does not apply as Mr. Afansieff is a producer and not a record company insider or unaffiliated chart researcher (like Guillame Viera, for example).
- The second source may be reliable, although its publisher, Soul Culture Media, is not notable enough to have an article.
- The third source is not so reliable, at least when it comes to record sales, as evidenced by this discussion.
Finally, both Mariah Carey's official website (an unreliable, impartial, & promotional source) and The Huffington Post claim 30 million copies,
Regarding The Emancipation of Mimi, its available certified sales are less than 8 million worldwide. Given how recently it was released, it is impossible it sold any more than double its certified sales. Case in point, mediatraffic/Guillaume Viera and MariahJournal estimate 9 million and 9.2 million copies sold, respectively.--Mαuri’96 “everything and nothing always haunts me…” 07:07, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
First, Mariah Daily journal Is NOT allowed to get used as a reliable source cause its a fansite, Second Sony Music as well isn't allowed to used cause it might be used within OR against the Artist based or their relation with the Artist himself, Sony in its late decade end report DEFLATED the actual sales of Mariah Carey after the separation from Carey's EX HUSBAND.

So The Artists' fansites, Music Labels and the Artist's website itself isn't allowed to be mentioned in the actual sales or certification mounts fidelovkurt 16:04, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

I know Mariah Daily Journal is not a reliable source, that is why I removed all the Music Box certifications the list of best-selling had from that website.
I DID say "I suggest you take a look at", not "we should use it as a reference". I wanted to highlight the fact that despite them being fans, who would no doubt appreciate it if their favorite artist sold 30 million copies (or more) of a given album, they still estimated a worldwide sales figure lower than that.--Mαuri’96 “everything and nothing always haunts me…” 19:02, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

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Hi! Would you care to review my FA nomination for the article Of Human Feelings? The article is about a jazz album by Ornette Coleman, and the criteria for FA articles is at WP:FACR. If not, feel free to ignore this message. Cheers! Dan56 (talk) 20:54, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

best selling album,,,shakira,,laundry service

hi maury, I thought the reference for laundry service at 20 million from "UPI", was good, what was wrong with it, btw I could find another reference to bolster the claim,,,,,,,,,,,thanks,,,--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 10:40, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

I left the above message for you some time ago but have not heard since??,,,,,,--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 12:24, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for not answering earlier. I may have initially confused Laundry Service for Ray of Light, which was removed from the list due to a discussion about its sales.
The album has received too few certifications relative to the year it was released to support sales claims of 20 million, regardless. Please see this discussion for more info.--Mαuri’96 “everything and nothing always haunts me…” 20:54, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

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List of best-selling girl groups

Hi, I notice you have a keen interest in articles regarding sales figures, so I wondered if you had any opinions about this article. Personally I think it is a mess and has lots of problems, which I have written about on the talk page – the major problem is finding sales figures from before the 1990s, which means that there is a lot of bias towards recent girl groups. The first thing I would like to do is combine the physical sales and digital sales tables at the top of the article, as it is ridiculous to try and split them up when for most groups (like for example the Spice Girls) we have no idea how many of their records were sold on CD and how many were digital downloads. A lot of the sales references come from blogs, so they aren't reliable either. Do you have any comments to make? Richard3120 (talk) 19:18, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Hello,
I was actually the one who originally split the list into the two sections in 2014, to avoid having groups like 2NE1 or Girls' Generation being ranked too high with the 40-60 million $0.03 downloads they've sold.
Regarding which sales are digital and which are not, we do know how many records were sold on CD and how many were digital downloads for all artists except those who peaked in 2004-2007, the transitional period from CD singles to digital singles (only the Pussycat Girls for this article)
--Mαuri’96 “everything and nothing always haunts me…” 19:26, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't agree with this statement – if you have a look at the table for physical sales, you can see that most of the groups were active both before and after this transitional period, so we can't say how many of their sales were physical before these dates, and how many were digital after these dates. There is also the issue that people keep adding Little Mix to the bottom of the physical sales table – as virtually all their singles have only been released as downloads, I expect that the majority of their 8 million sales are in digital format and that therefore they should not be included on this list.
I don't really understand the argument "ranked too high" – either they have sold this many records, or they haven't. It's irrelevant whether those sales are physical or digital. It isn't up to us to decide whether an artist is "ranked too high" – that would constitute original research. Richard3120 (talk) 19:36, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
Edit: Perhaps we should consider getting rid of the "worldwide" lists entirely, and simply have lists for each country, which are easier to source through local charts and certification bodies. What do you think? Richard3120 (talk) 19:43, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
I think we're not being clear on what we mean with "records". As I understand it there are four main types:
• Physical albums
• Digital albums
• Physical singles
• Digital singles (downloads)
Very few artists sell a significant amount of digital albums (Adele's 21 sold about 2-3 million) so generally it is assumed all album sales are physical (there are also very few charts for digital albums anyway).
The distinction between physical and digital singles is also fairly easy to make (American RIAA certifications are either "standard" or "digital"; the Gaon singles chart is entirely digital)--Mαuri’96 “everything and nothing always haunts me…” 20:56, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
And this is exactly why I have such a big problem with this article: certification awards are not a reliable indicator of actual sales, and before the 1990s it was not common for record companies to bother applying for certification. I have a reliable source that states categorically that the Supremes had 14 singles that sold over 1 million in the US, and yet if you look at the RIAA website I think only three of their singles were certified. I have seen a source in a book that states "When Will I See You Again" has sold two million, yet it only has a gold certification.
I don't think it's correct to "assume" anything either, I think that goes against Wikipedia policy. Richard3120 (talk) 21:45, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
You make a very good point. I'd heard that many Motown releases were under-certified or uncertified entirely.
Regarding the assumption that albums sales are always physical, it is not one I make, but one the press makes. Generally, unless otherwise stated, album sales are considered to be CD sales. This flies in the face of the reality of albums such as the aforementioned 21 that have a good 30% of U.S. sales via downloads.
Concerning the best-selling girl groups article, I think we could combine the two lists but have separate columns for physical records, digital sales (really only singles), and "total" sales. I do not believe this would a source of much editorial difficulty or reader confusion as the only artists with unclear physical/digital distinction are the Pussycat Dolls and Rouge.
Edit: Country-by-coutry sales would work swimmingly, especially for the U.S., UK, Germany, Canada, Brazil, Japan and South Korea.--Mαuri’96 “everything and nothing always haunts me…” 22:08, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
I am absolutely in agreement with your suggestion on the combined list - in fact this is exactly what myself and another editor, Btljs, have been working on, and you can see the draft in my sandbox. Is this what you had in mind? Richard3120 (talk) 00:08, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

2NE1 discography

Hello, I noticed your re-adding "Lollipop"'s monthly chart position and "I Don't Care"'s digital sales in South Korea, stating the Gaon Music Chart was launched in 2010 with monthly charts in 2009. According to the articles I've searched, however, the chart was "officially" launched in February 2010 and there were no words at all stating the monthly Gaon charts of 2009 already existed.

"I Don't Care" was released a year before the Gaon Chart began tracking sales. That's why it's impossible for the song's current sales to be tracked that high. Also, the "4.5 million" sales figure mentioned through the referenced Forbes article is about "I Am the Best", rather than "I Don't Care". Since the Gaon Chart was renewed to the wrong direction in the middle of last year, we don't even know how much any of the songs have sold exactly so far. Probably the sales data have been lost after the renewal. Thus, sales for "I Am the Best" since 2012 are still unavailable.

That's why I removed the statements once again. Sorry for the unexpected removal, but as long as this is also a kind of "encyclopedia", I think Wikipedia shouldn't mislead readers to the wrong information. 118.43.224.65 (talk) 03:10, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

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List of best-selling albums in the United States: Revision history

Hello, thank you very much for your edit/undo about the best selling albums in USA, unfortunately, someone have edited back to the recent vandalized version of the wiki page; I think it's important to have the previous version, with the comparaison between Soundscan/RIAA or Shipment/real sales; the articles is about the best selling albums in the USA, not about the list shipment from RIAA; we have already the wikipedia page of RIAA for that; so I don't see the point to have two wikipedia pages with exactly the same information/sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA_certification

I'm sorry to ask you that, but I don't have the privilege to do the edit myself.

Thank you again very much for your previous undo; and thank you for advance to edit back this vandalism (sorry for my poor english). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Croscos77 (talk • contribs) 15:27, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

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Total sales Of Michael Jackson in China and India

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