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I think your comment on my draft page is unfair and misleading. The page is clearly talking about a Martial Art and not about a person. References to the founder have to be made, this is to illustrate how it came into being. Budo2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Budo2015 (talkcontribs) 12:51, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

I told you on IRC there was too much of a focus on the founder; Maybe mention it was him, but including his bio is too much information. --Mdann52talk to me! 16:56, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Please review it again and if happy, remove your comment Budo2015 — Preceding undated comment added 14:53, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi, in your recent close

here, I think you meant to say that wp:BRD is just an essay, rather than "just a guideline". Cardamon (talk) 22:50, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Editing several articles at once because of a template

How can I edit parameters of a template that are containe in several articles. For example, if I edited an infobox by changing a parameter, how can I easly replace this parameter in all articles that are using this infobox? --46.35.133.141 (talk) 13:56, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Ask over at WP:BRFA, being a bit more specific. --Mdann52talk to me! 15:16, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

16:52, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Seasonal Greets!

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2015!!!

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ANI post, thanks!

Thank you for responding to my ANI posting. I'm glad that there is a procedure. It just seemed a little out of the ordinary. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 21:25, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

@Scalhotrod: Yeah, unfortunately one of these comes up every so often. I've met a few before, so I know the procedure. If you ever come across anything like this and want a second opinion on it, feel free to give me a ping. Hopefully, this is nothing more than vandalism, but I prefer not to take any chances. --Mdann52talk to me! 21:29, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Ah, good to know that I wasn't just being paranoid and that others share my concerns. Thank you and Happy Holidays! --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 00:17, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello Mdann52,

I wanted to thank you for offering to help with the File metadata cleanup drive on Commons. We now have numbers to measure the amount of Commons files missing machine-readable information. Most of the files there have a license template, but there still about 500,000 remaining files (out of 24 million) missing an {{information}} template, and that's where your help would be invaluable.

We're currently trying to find groups of files whose description pages are alike, so that we can use bots to automatically take that information and put it into an information template. If you still want to help, it would be great if you could look at the list of files and see if you can find such groups. You can also use the no_information tool to limit the results by uploader, or the first characters of the file name; this can help identify batch uploads.

Once you find groups of files with information in the same order or format, you can add a section to the bot requests page, so that a bot can go through them and fix them all automatically (or you can do it yourself if you have a bot, or with VisualFileChange).

In 10 days, we've already managed to add information templates to over 10% of the 500,000 remaining files. I'm hoping you can help us keep this momentum and get through the rest so we can get rid of this backlog once and for all :)

Thank you, and I wish you happy end-of-year holidays if you celebrate them! Guillaume (WMF) (talk) 19:14, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Special greeting...

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Atsme (talkcontribs) 16:17, 18 December 2014‎

bgcolor bot

Hi Mdann52. Do you think there's any likelihood of a breakthrough on the "bgcolor" bot any time soon? If not, I might start exploring other solutions. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 09:05, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

@DH85868993: Unlikely unfortunately. I'd propose it was implimented in MediaWiki, which would make tasks like this redundant, however I'm no expert on how possible this is. --Mdann52talk to me! 09:02, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
No worries. Thanks for your efforts. Do you mind if I relist the task at WP:BOTREQUESTS, in case someone else wants to have a go? DH85868993 (talk) 10:46, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

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Draft: Rockman Industries

Anilmehta9 (talk) 08:08, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback. I have updated the page and given valuable sources as per your suggestions.

Thanks for your help transferring images to Commons

Thank you for moving the five images to Commons for review, re: Running Man Brothers, et al. I was uncertain how to transfer them or upload them with the exact jpeg names. All prior images I have uploaded on WP were first approved by Adm. then they did the transfers. I guess you know that uploading an image is a big mystery for most of us WP "writers"! Thanks for your hard work during the Holidays!--Bonnielou2013 (talk) 13:49, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback!

Hello and Happy New Year!

Appreciate your gentle feedback regarding the page for CHARLEENE CLOSSHEY. It's our first and unguided Wiki submission, so your comments are helpful…and fortunately quite easy to fix! Will be going through and changing online sources to notable publications, interviews, etc.

Many thanks for your kindness. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cclosshey (talkcontribs) 15:48, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

16:52, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Email

Responded to your email. I suppose you emailed me because you wanted to keep things off-wiki, but if you change your mind, feel free to publish on-wiki the things I wrote. Nyttend (talk) 18:33, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Why is there no consensus to move to either "Nelson Wong" or "Nelson Wong Sing-chi"? --George Ho (talk) 03:57, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

There are 2 supports and 4 opposes. Even with the comments taken into account, I think the consensus not to move is clear. I was going to close as "no consensus", then reread it and concluded the oppose arguments were the strongest. --Mdann52talk to me! 12:03, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
Why counting the sockpuppet's? --George Ho (talk) 19:16, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
As and when they are confirmed sockpuppets, then I'll feel free to discount them. However, until confirmed at an SPI, I can see no reason to discount them. --Mdann52talk to me! 09:25, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kauffner/Archive#11 December 2014; isn't it enough? --George Ho (talk) 20:06, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

01:37:54, 3 January 2015 review of submission by Beecee14


The message said no changes have been made, however, I had made several extensive edits to the previously reviewed article. In fact I created an entirely new section focusing on Payne's independent work, that is not a part of his work with One Direction, and have corrected sources to newspaper articles and other valid sources. How can you decline the article on the basis that it has not been edited in any way then?

Beecee14 (talk) 01:37, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

@Beecee14: Apologies, I was unclear originally. I meant my comments were the same as the previous reviews; His notability independent from the band is simply not present. Additionally, any creation of the article seperately needs to be discussed at Talk:List of One Direction members, as it was previously decided there to merge them together. --Mdann52talk to me! 20:33, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Erno Polgar

Dear Mdann52! Many thanks for the (m) minor edit on my draft: Erno Polgar. Can You clean this draft and to publish it? Many thanks! Eitan ben Avrohom — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.132.184.37 (talk) 09:18, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

I'll take another look when I get the time to do so. --Mdann52talk to me! 12:03, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Mr. Mdann52! I did a little new article. I would like to wish You Happy New Year" Yours sincerely, Shalom: Eitan ben Avrohom — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eitan ben Avrohom (talkcontribs) 15:52, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Dear Mr. Mdann52! Please to see - if You have time - the "new" article, after a lot of work. Yours sincerely: Eitan ben Avrohom — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eitan ben Avrohom (talkcontribs) 13:50, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Dear Mdann52! Editor NOYSTER got permit for me for moving draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Erno_Polgar

What do You think about is? Your sincerely: Eitan ben Avrohom  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eitan ben Avrohom (talkcontribs) 09:49, 3 January 2015 (UTC) 

Dear Mdann52! Thanks for all of helps! Now I have some photo too on my page. Yours truly: Eitan ben Avrohom

Dear Mdann52! I edited Tom Barat´s (New York) words about question of notability and I published some more links for this article - which is no orphan and real fact- Erno Polgar is a notability man. I hope your kind help. Yours truly, Eitan ben Avrohom=Erno Polgar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eitan ben Avrohom (talkcontribs) 14:31, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Dear Mdann52! Thanks for fixing image on my page, but unfortunately - please to see it - some editors have problems. Can you help me? Yours sincerely: Eitan ben Avrohom — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eitan ben Avrohom (talkcontribs) 13:02, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Dear Mdann52! I did some corrections ib ny article, which is no orphan, it is neutral, Erno Polgar is a notability person - now it there are some words about it from Tom Barat from New York. I hope You have time for a moment to see the article and the new links. Please to help You! Thanks for adcance! Yours truly Eitan ben Avrohom=Erno Polgar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eitan ben Avrohom (talkcontribs) 14:39, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Request on 19:00:30, 28 December 2014 for assistance on AfC submission by Meridianus


Regarding -- 15:36, 28 December 2014 RHaworth (talk | contribs) deleted page Draft:Draft article on John E. Arnold (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement of http://historicalsociety.stanford.edu/pdfmem/ArnoldJ.pdf)

Hi, the first article I've written for Wikipedia was rejected for copyright violation. I have 40 years experience as a researcher with seven books, so I thought I was following established rules for quotation and citation. But perhaps something slipped through or there are special guidelines I need to learn here.

Could you please help me correct the error? Do I need to use separate or more complete quotations and use less paraphrasing? Did I not associate citations with text sufficiently? I'm really keen to see Dr. Arnold's work properly promoted so will work with you make this right. Thank you.

Also, if there's a better way to refer to the now deleted page & review, please let me know. — Meridianus (talk) 19:00, 28 December 2014 (UTC) Meridianus (talk) 19:00, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

@Meridianus: The issue is that, while Wikipedia allows a limited number of quotes, this used far too many. I would advise rewriting it, but with less paraphrasing. Wikipedia uses the CC-BY-SA 3.0 licence, so any copyrighted work presents issues, so we get round this by forbidding it completely. --Mdann52talk to me! 19:07, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, to be clear do you mean to say I should use fewer quotes and *more* paraphrasing? Also, would it help if I receive copyright permission from one of the professors who wrote the Memorial Resolution in 1963? I've learned one is still alive on Stanford campus. — Meridianus (talk) 19:14, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

@User:Mdann52: A few more questions -- 1) How do I recover the deleted article for revision? (I have only an older copy offline) 2) Should I have kept the article in my user space to avoid losing the text (rather than moving it to Draft as prompted)? 3) My article has 30 references and 49 citations; is the copyright problem only with the one reference that has eight citations? 4) Would it be better to attribute quotes to the speakers, e.g., "John Smith, Chairman, said on Mary's passing, 'She was a warm person.'"? 5) How would I convey to Wikipedia that I have permission from the surviving co-authors of the 1963 Memorial Resolution to use the text freely? Thank you for your help. -- Meridianus (talk) 22:49, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

@Meridianus: you should not use any close pharaphrasing or copying on Wikipedia. If you want a copy, please talk to User talk:RHaworth; While he may not be able to restore it, he should be able to email it to you for further work. Moving to draft is fine; Articles with copyright issues are deleted wherever they are. I don't think there was a referencing issue, however I didn't get onto evaluating it. If you need to use quotes, you need to attribute them to the speaker, however it's generally better to try and summarise what they say instead. Finally, WP:CONSENT describes the process to show you have permission; If you send that in, the page can probably be restored. --Mdann52talk to me! 07:25, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

@User:Mdann52: I significantly revised the article last week. I'm unclear on how the re-reviewing process typically proceeds. Should I have let you know or are you informed automatically? Or will another reviewer take it up when he/she has time? I received such quick feedback on my first submission, I haven't wanted to seem too eager on expecting a re-review given the backlog. —Meridianus (talk) 18:22, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

@Meridianus: It deffinately looks better now. My one comment it is goes into a bit tpoo much detail; WP:UNDUE states that we should give an overview, not cover in excessive detail. If you wish, I can have a go at cutting it down a bit? --Mdann52talk to me! 09:25, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

@User:Mdann52: Yes, please go ahead and reduce as you believe appropriate —seeing your revisions will be a good learning experience for me. Probably I'll grasp the pattern from your edits, and I'll ask if I believe anything important was omitted. Then I can move on to writing an interpretive Stanford Magazine article. Thank you. – Meridianus (talk) 17:17, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

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Orville Stoeber Wiki Page.

Hello Mdann52,

I need your help/guidance with a submission that I first posted last summer and has been reviewed and declined three times. I am a professional writer who researched a piece on composer/actor/artist Orville Stoeber for Fangoria Magazine. It was published last summer and Mr. Stoeber was happy enough with it that he asked me to author his Wikipedia page. Each submission was reviewed by a different editor (including you) and each time I was very careful to review the notes and make the appropriate changes. Each rejection was followed by the same vague arguments on notability (save for the original that expressly stated not to use blog entries as a reference). Before my last attempt, I did thorough research at the local library and found several books and an original album review from Variety magazine referencing/reviewing Mr. Stoeber's music or acting credits. The main problem seems to be the lack of easy (online) access to his work from those pesky "secondary reliable references." Mr. Stoeber is a private person with no PR machine behind him. He doesn't seek publicity and only does interviews when he is approached to do so. Most of his "online presence" can be found on blogs from fans who have sought out interviews. This is why I sought out book references to support my Wiki entry. After the entry was declined the last time, I went to the "real time chat" page to speak with editors hoping to get some clarity. I spent an hour having a circular conversation with editors who kept contradicting themselves. They made assumptions about the books I had referenced and were eager to dismiss them without any information to support their views. It seems to me, after an unproductive back and fourth, that some part of this Wiki equation is based on the whim of any editor who deems the subject relevant or not. (I apologize for this long exchange, but my experience with this endeavor has been very defeating.) Would it be possible for you took look over the page again before I attempt another submission? I fear I have exhausted all the secondary sources available, but believe they have merit (as did one of the editors in my confounding conversation during the "chat"). If nothing else, my Fangoria piece covers most of the information on the page. I spent months researching and interviewing people - including Academy Award-nominated director John Hancock. Stoeber's positive album review in Variety can be accessed online, but the books (including a couple that do support his merit as a composer) are physical paper creations that require one to go the extra mile and leave the computer. I appreciate any help that you can give me. I understand all the editors work on a volunteer basis and have to deal with a lot of angry, petty nonsense. This entry is important to me and I am anxious to see it through. Thanks for your time and consideration!

Here is the page in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Orville_Stoeber

bradlit Bradlit (talk) 16:22, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Generation Rescue

Bad luck, mate, if I was still OTRSing I'd have taken this on, but used a pseudonym (the worst kind of OTRS complainant always wants to make Wikipedia reflect a "reality" that is not real). You're getting reverted a fair bit, and I am very familiar with this topic area, so feel free to email me privately in confidence if you'd like help evaluating the objective merit of any specific demand. No need to identify annybody, just discuss a proposed edit and then I can do my best to fight your corner with the anti-GR editors on the article and Talk. Guy (Help!) 00:27, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

@JzG: this is no longer OTRS, these were made in my personal capacity. I suppose it may be worth having a separate account, apart from that will, at times, violate the whole reason we were contacted (eg. BLP issues etc.). --Mdann52talk to me! 13:23, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
No need to separate the accounts, and as per mail I will fix up that para, which is definitely clumsy and a bit WP:COATRACK shaped. Keep up the good work, Guy (Help!) 13:29, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

16:47, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Page Editing

How do i wikilink my pageTjefwa (talk) 08:32, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Adjustments to article, following your advice

User:Mdann52 Hi There Some time ago you kindly advised me, after my article was not approved in September, to simply add more references so you would check it and hopefully approve it without waiting for another submission process. I sent the amendments some time ago and I've kept perfecting the article. Could you have a look? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Elastic_Theatre. As I've been waiting since August, I would really appreciate your advice. Thank you very much!Baroquebox (talk) 09:20, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

I entirely disagree that there is nothing to be done there. An unapproved bot task was reported, admitted to by the accused, and as a result, I think the misused bot flag should be removed from the bot until BAG can decide what to do about it. Please revert your closure so that this can be discussed appropriately. Thanks. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 14:39, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

  • Since you seem to have been away for over a week and are not responding to messages on your talk page, I'm un-hatting the section and reopening discussion. No worries. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 23:47, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Replacement of fact that was supported by reference to one that wasn't- why?

Hi,

In this edit to the Glasgow Ice Cream Wars article, you say that "drug claims appear to be unsourced".

Several reputable sources listed in the references mentioned "drugs" as associated with the conflict, even if- in most cases- they weren't used to back up the specific mentions of drugs. It might be argued that it wasn't your responsibility to make that so.

However, my problem is with a sentence that *did* have a reference that supported the mention of drugs, namely "Eighteen year old Andrew Doyle, nicknamed "Fat Boy", a driver for the Marchetti firm, had resisted being intimidated into distributing drugs". The Scotsman article given as an inline reference to support that specific fact states he "refused to be intimidated into distributing drugs on his route".

Worse, you changed "drugs" to "stolen goods", despite the fact that the Scotsman article mentioned *nothing* about "stolen goods" in that context.

Could you please explain why you changed a fact that was correctly supported by the citation to one that wasn't? Thank you.

Ubcule (talk) 23:31, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

18:13, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

RM relist

Hi Mdann52. I think something may have gone wrong with your RM relist of Coalition of the Radical Left - it no longer shows up in the backlog – I think by removing the tag, you've just delisted it rather than relisted it! In the last couple of days the discussion has sort of restarted further down the page, but it's not clear where comments should go (someone has made a new subsection under the RM). Personally I think it's clear that Syriza is the COMMONNAME (a cursory glance at the news in the last few days should be sufficient proof), but haven't commented yet as I'm not sure where to do so. If you want to close it, I guess it's now 5–2 (including myself) in favour of the move. Cheers, Number 57 11:57, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

I see you haven't made any edits for a couple of weeks, so I'll be bold and readd the tag. Cheers, Number 57 11:59, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

16:08, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

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01:08:26, 1 March 2015 review of submission by Beecee14


Beecee14 (talk) 01:08, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello,

I am following up as to my previous submission for a page for Liam Payne of the band One Direction the had been declined due to the reason that he does not have enough notoriety outside of the band. However, even though Liam is the only member to have had music that has been produced or written by him outside of his work with One Direction be released publicly, he has yet to receive a page. Which I would understand if another member did not just receive an individual page, who has no notoriety outside the band. I am curious as to how this is possible or fair, when there are numerous reliable articles and sources discussing Liam's work as an individual, and none for this member. How is it that 1 warrants an individual wikipedia page while Liam Payne doesn't?

@Beecee14: As was said on the decline page, any separate page should be proposed and discussed either at Talk:List_of_One_Direction_members or WP:DRV, not through AfC; We cannot bypass consensus not to have a page at the time being. Mdann52 (talk) 12:51, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

16:41, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Need your help

I created this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalil_Rahman which I submitted to Articles for creation and you accepted it. The references of this article are reliable and from the most popular and leading daily newspaper in Bangladesh. Even after having good sources and references it has been nominated for deletion. If you kindly take a look at this article I will be happy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonopod (talkcontribs) 14:27, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Your comment on COM:AN

Hi, I note that over the past 4 years you have only written on AN twice before. Could you let me know how you came to hear about the discussion? Thanks -- (talk) 13:59, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, sure. It was actually due to a comment you made over at C:COM:OTRS/N about making a statement over at com:AN. Mdann52 (talk) 15:38, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm presuming you mean the related DR as it's not mentioned on the noticeboard. -- (talk) 16:12, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, probably, it was something off there anyway. Mdann52 (talk) 16:56, 4 March 2015 (UTC)