User talk:Menklife

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Seraphimblade (talk · contribs) Hello! Thanks for letting me know all of this, I will delete the image as soon as possible now that I know. I am working on an article for Mary Setrakian with a friend as a collaborative project and we're hoping to get a new draft out to post to Articles for Creation. This is our first actual article, we've both edited a few pages on our own time before but are just now really getting into this world properly. The old draft of this proposed article didn't go over very well, as you probably saw. We never intended for it to come off as an ad/promotion, but that's apparently how it sounded despite our intent to stay neutral in the style of an encyclopedia. So we're working on a complete redo of it to meet the standards and guidelines set by Wikipedia. BTW, we do have COI disclosed for the subject of our article on both of our user pages. I believe my friend asked you this, but would it be better if we submitted a new draft for Articles for Creation ourselves OR due to our COI, would it be best to just put out a request in Articles for Creation for an article about our subject to be written by other people? Also, how can we involve relevant Wikiprojects to get on board with this? This would be a biography of a living person, and this individual is notable as a woman in music/musical theatre with her having been a performer on Broadway and also a vocal coach to Broadway & Hollywood stars and she's been credited in feature films and television, so I'd love for more experienced Wikipedians with a vested interest in these topics to be able to help out, even if the new article will be much much much shorter than our earlier published version. Thanks again for the advice and the links to relevant resources, hopefully we can get this article on its feet in the best Wikipedia way possible! gonna also use the help me tag, idk if that's redundant but you can never have to much help when starting out! ~ Menklife (talk) 23:58, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Editors with a COI are allowed to create drafts, I suggest you do that and try to avoid what happened last time - read up on notability criteria and proper references. Requesting an article is also possible, but the wait time for articles through that path is usually quite long. WikiProjects have talk pages, where you can post requests for help.

When starting a draft, short is often better than long. Concentrate on the facts and references that establish notability. Anything else can be added later, after the draft is accepted. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:43, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

I see we've talked before about Mary Setrakian. I may not have given the Wiki Ed student enough credit. They may have created a page but I would have been unable to see any evidence because it was subsequently deleted. Those prior deletions should not, but probably do, make some additional hurdle for a new draft to overcome. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:07, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

jmcgnh (talk · contribs) Oh, that's interesting. I had no clue her page was being worked on by someone else back in March and subsequently deleted. That is frustrating, as I'd like to know what was written (and by whom) to avoid making their mistakes and possibly reach out to work together, but it seems there's no way to know for sure. Still, that was helpful to know so I appreciate you telling me. Constructing a shorter page with the most relevant and notable material using primarily secondary references will be the aim for now in the draft that I'm currently editing. We'll see if it can get submitted eventually. ~ Menklife (talk) 22:27, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Mary Setrakian

Hello, Menklife. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Mary Setrakian".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:23, 24 March 2022 (UTC)