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Your edits on List of main battle tanks by country

Hello. I have reverted your edits since Kürassier, AMX-13, Patagón, M-41 etc aren't main battle tanks (which is all that belongs in the list), but light tanks, while the TAM/Tanque Medio Argentino, as the name implies, is a medium tank. - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 13:21, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Your edit to Philippine Hokkien

Hello. I have reverted your edit to Philippine Hokkien, as it was unsourced and seemed like vandalism. Please remember to use edit summaries. Thank you.

– Lauritz Thomsen (talk) 11:25, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

• Hello. You have still not provided a source. Please do so. I apologize, since it appears that you are editing in good faith, but your edit seems like vandalism when it has no source. – Lauritz Thomsen (talk) 11:31, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

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Hello, I'm MarkH21. I noticed that you added or changed content in several articles, but you didn't provide reliable sources. If you'd like to include citations and add them, please do so. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. Thank you. — MarkH21 (talk) 21:17, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Is this about the ones in Philippine Hokkien? ok, I will link each entry to entries from wiktionary and their dictionary sources--Mlgc1998 (talk) 21:34, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

This is in general, and includes your edits to Philippine Mandarin (e.g. these edits), Philippine Hokkien, Filipino name, and the categorization of dozens of Filipinos whose articles do not mention Chinese descent at all. Your edits to Wikipedia must be sourced and absolutely cannot contain original research, per Wikipedia policies. — MarkH21 (talk) 21:56, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

The Philippine Mandarin edits you linked are not new information, those are pinyin diacritics, the alternate more common name of Min Nan Yu is Hokkien, and Hokaglish is a pidgin language. If you haven't guessed already, I myself am Chinese Filipino, who has personally experienced Philippine Hokkien, Philippine Mandarin, Chinese Filipino family names all his life. These are commonly known information if you knew about life in the Philippines. What common Filipino reader would know what Min Nan Yu means as opposed to Hokkien or Fukien that they have always heard it as. How am I supposed to source every common information I add about Chinese Filipino life in the Philippines? Do you need me to have to write research papers or start a web blog to post every info on every little thing before I can say wikipedia should inform about such prevalent phenomena? Those dozens of Filipinos do not have mention on their paragraphs themselves about Chinese descent, but all of those I categorized as Filipino politicians of Chinese descent were already categorized as Filipinos of Chinese descent. The others have parents with pages categorized as Filipinos of Chinese descent, then of course what does that make them. I have not randomly categorized any Filipino person's page as Filipino of Chinese descent without any of these. The Marcos family and all the pages about them themselves used to be categorized as Filipinos of Chinese descent, yet all trace of that is gone and I have done nothing to try to add those back despite it being something that people around the Philippines has always discussed.--Mlgc1998 (talk) 13:24, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, I linked the wrong edits. I meant these. In any case, yes substantial new information that you add, even if "commonly known information if you knew about life in the Philippines," must be sourced. You don't need to write a paper yourself, but you must find one that supports what you are adding. Verifiability and no original research are two of the three core content policies on which Wikipedia is built. Even if you know something to be true, other people checking Wikipedia must be able to check that it comes from a reliable source.
These comments applies equally to the categorization of Filipinos of Chinese descent. Sure, you may know them to be of Chinese descent, but you must provide evidence on the articles themselves from reliable sources. Otherwise, your contributions are open to challenge and removal. — MarkH21 (talk) 19:56, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Found some papers for that page. Also on the categorization again, I only added pages into the categorization of "Filipino politicians of Chinese descent" as listed already on pages categorized beforehand as "Filipino people of Chinese descent" or vice versa. I did not categorize any of those based on just because I externally knew them to be of Chinese descent. They were already listed by someone else that they were "Filipino people of Chinese descent". What I only did was, open that list of people categorized as "Filipino people of Chinese descent" and the list for "Filipino politicians of Chinese descent", then checked who was a politician or was included in the politician list but not on the other, then I added them to that category for consistency. The only few pages that I did add "Filipino people of Chinese descent" or both that and "Filipino politicians of Chinese descent" are the pages who were related by family to someone who was already categorized as "Filipino people of Chinese descent". I have not added anything new that wikipedia has not already told me about.--Mlgc1998 (talk) 11:36, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

That would be fine, but doesn't this edit, for example, involve you adding "Category:Filipino people of Chinese descent" to the article? Furthermore, there is not sourced Chinese descent mentioned on the page. — MarkH21 (talk) 15:42, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Yeah that one is one of the ones I was referring to being related to someone who was already categorized as one. Tito Sotto was already listed under Filipino politicians of Chinese descent so I added him to Filipino people of Chinese descent as well, then I added his brother, Vic Sotto, and his grandfather and namesake(Vicente Sotto) to Filipino people of Chinese descent. The grandfather, Vicente Sotto, is actually where you can see where the Chinese descent came in. His mother, Pascuala Yap, is a Chinese Filipino since Yap is a Chinese Filipino family, that's why the grandfather's full name is Vicente Sotto y Yap. Marcelino Sotto himself, the father of Vicente Sotto, is from Binondo, as can be seen in Filemon Sotto's page(his brother). Binondo is Manila's Chinatown, the oldest chinatown in the world.--Mlgc1998 (talk) 16:02, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm not disputing that Vicente Sotto y Yap is of Chinese descent, but here is exactly where the problem is. Even though we can all see the apparent circumstantial evidence that he is of Chinese descent via his mother's surname and his father's hometown, it is not explicitly referenced to a reliable source and therefore not acceptable on WP. You must find a reliable source stating somehow that he is of Chinese descent - not that his parents have names and hometowns that suggest he's most likely of Chinese descent. — MarkH21 (talk) 16:30, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

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After our lengthy discussion in September, I will just give one more warning about adding unsourced material to articles. Adding unsourced material, such as in this edit, is against Wikipedia policy. Please stop or further actions regarding your account may follow. — MarkH21 (talk) 01:07, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

I've already linked a wiktionary page to that. The link is right there. --Mlgc1998 (talk) 01:12, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

The link does not count as giving a reliable source for the statement because:

1. The linked Wiktionary page doesn’t mention any etymological original in the Tagalog word.
2. Wiktionary is not a reliable source, as defined here. It is user-generated content, like WP.

The second point is even more important than the first. — MarkH21 (talk) 01:17, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

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Verifiability of some of the added entries in the Hokkien section of List of loanwords in Tagalog

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@Diannaa: I understand the concern you bring here, but if you have time to leave these messages and remove whole edits, would you at least consider reading the source itself, a good part of it was indeed rephrased rather than the above implication. Also, there's a better way in being constructive yourself with the courtesy in simply rephrasing the text yourself as per WP:BOLD, if one is concerned about copyrighted material, otherwise one is also committing disruptive editing by impeding the building or improving of an article that has long lacked the research and content for the past years, especially when now there is someone returning to be making the WP:BOLD edits with the proper sources available. won't be so encouraging to come back improving articles from years ago, now someone's removing whole edits with edit block threats.--Mlgc1998 (talk) 15:55, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

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Gua Bao / Cua Pao

Thank you for your most recent edit. Notice I did not revert your edit this time. This is because you provided many reliable sources which I am happy with. I do want to however, address your comment: "im not sure why you are trying to gatekeep this dish." Part of Wikipedia is always to Wikipedia:Assume good faith, I understand for new editors there's always certain indignation when their edits get reverted, but please understand that previously you only had one source and I googled and could not find any reference to the name you claimed. You then proceeded to revert without good explanations. Had you provided what you provided in the very first edit, no one would have reverted it. You must understand that on Wikipedia, we always receive vandalism and bad edits without source, what you provided most recently - was a good edit. And I hope you continuously do so for all your edit (good research, good explanation, and edit summary). Something that appears to be "common sense to you" (in this case, is that in Philippines you call it Cua Pao), is not common sense to most editors. The onus is on YOU to prove to us why you are correct. So saying something like "stop gatekeeping this dish" or "google is only a click away. kindly go check the numerous websites all exhibiting the dish." appears very unconstructive and lazy. I am a neutral editor and I love Filipino food, so your various personal attacks are very hurtful to someone like me who loves Filipino culture. Again, I understand there's always some anger when edits get reverted, but at the same time I would ask you to apologize for some of the emotional statements you made. Thank you. Kazuha1029 (talk) 16:31, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm not a new editor and this is a frequent behavior among many editors in wikipedia for the past years I've been here. It happens as well in other wiki projects I'm in for years, which I'm sure if you're not new, you would be familiar of that anyone would be annoyed at such behavior since in reality, we are all but anonymous editors volunteering to help improve certain pages on our own time, especially the ones that made an account and been here for years. What you tell me very much applies to your initial actions before from last year that I only noticed again these days, which you still repeated some days ago. If you ask for good faith treatment, the approach done last time should've accounted for that, so of course, you'll get the unfriendly response to unfriendly action. I do not do wiki policework precisely for these kinds of drama. Pls do know that simple unelaborated reversions due to point-at-this-rule* are also considered unconstructive or disruptive editing, when an editor simply proceeds to "revert without good explanations" or do legalistic wikilawyering editing citing this and that rule, and doing it to others because someone also did it to you long before is not a good cycle to repeat. Red tape behavior is not constructive nor helpful. For such kind of people, there is also a rule in wikipedia that exists to disregard all rules when such are not constructive. It is easy and lazy for an editor to simply click "undo" to revert edits simply mentioning or even copy pasting repeated comments such as "no source", as if policework is any helpful to good faith edits. If a source is needed or if one is really more curious about it, pls do know there is also the good faith approach of tagging an edit for verification that it lacks citation and kindly notifying the previous editor if they can look for one if they simply forgot to put it, if one decides to not put in the time themselves to perform the good faith approach of simply looking for the source and citing information yourself that one looks for. I understand of course, people's search engine would tailor fit one's search to one's IP so of course, it would not appear as quickly as it would for one in the country it is more relevant to, which is why if one aims to guard certain pages, just talk to the person first or tag it for verification first to notify the person rather than immediate reversions, especially nobody owns articles or entries in wiki even how long they guard it. As anonymous volunteer editors, we are not legally bound to be responsible for edits here and if someone does not edit the way one expects, simply talk to the person like a real human being without expectations to advise them for more info on whatever was lacking. A public sphere platform is like a garden people decide to tend to on their own accord when they're there. The natural reaction of course of taking out what another did without notifying them first before the act (especially for registered editors that isn't just a random ip) would elicit unfriendly response. I understand many in wikipedia do that style of wikipolicework, but I would not recommend to emulate such behavior. Mlgc1998 (talk) 17:30, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

You provided a long argument to justify your actions and all I'm looking for is an apology. I explained why your edits were reverted in the edit summary - bad source. And again, had you provided the sources you provided most recently, no one would have reverted your edit. I want to stress, it is your responsibility as you introduce new material to the page to a stable version of the article. I did not need to find the sources for you. Think about it this way, if I randomly post a sentence to a Wikipedia and without source, then I tell editors "just cite it for me, do a google search, it's common sense", do you expect people should just accept my proposed edit? You then proceeded to revert without any attempt at addressing my comments and without considering why your edit was reverted which is a typical vandalism/newbie behaviour. Your statements and accusations were uncalled for - regarding gatekeeping and implying that I did not do research. I do not need to do research for you - but I did anyway and found no sources. This was explained very well in the edit summaries and you have read it as well. So your argument that I reverted your edit without explanation is false and that's not a justification for rude accusations. I appreciate your edit and your most recent edit was a good one. Had you provided this at the very beginning there would have been no argument at all. Next time, just assume good faith. Think about why your edit was reverted because aggression wouldn't help. Notice no matter what you said and what accusation you dished out, your edit was reverted UNTIL you provided good source. So ultimately you still did what I asked when I reverted your edit at the very beginning and we came to a consensus. - Kazuha1029 (talk) 19:02, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Pls reserve your entitlements to your familiars. If anything, you're projecting what you do yourself. I've explained my edits and addressed your comments to which your behavior before and now is to simply ignore them under excuses now as "long argument", "bad source", "your responsibility" to justify your actions. Even your remarks now with "typical vandalism/newbie behaviour", "your responsibility", "I did not need to" express but arrogance to the gatekeeping you've been caught doing on that article. Think about it this way, if for years, someone stood by guarding articles and randomly removed your edits to a Wikipedia page cuz in their minds huh either bad or no source haha newb then only doing so after the fact rather than notifying editors beforehand in good faith about their supposed edit improvements, and then repeatedly removing further edits while subjectively considering other's edits as "unreliable", do you expect people should just accept your behavior and not call you out for it? Had you simply kindly notified the person of what you may be looking for rather than rudely repeatedly removing people's content and expecting others with whatever of your expectations and even demanding apologies, there would have been no argument at all. Next time, just assume good faith. Think about why your edit was reverted because aggression wouldn't help. Notice no matter what you said and what accusation and entitlements you dished out, your edit was reverted UNTIL you started thinking about the other person with good faith. I repeat these to you because the basis of your arguments are still leaning on subjective matters with regard to "good source". If you were not gatekeeping that article, there would have been no argument all the same regardless of your entitlements. Mlgc1998 (talk) 07:11, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

At this point I'm going to disengage from this conversation as I see there's no point arguing. You're simply using "others gatekeeping" as an excuse for yourself to make bad edits. Your edit got reverted? instead of thinking why "oh it must be all those policing going on! I absolutely have nothing I need to change! It's all your fault you're gatekeeping the article!"..."oh no! my edit got reverted! I'm going to be so angry now and start assuming everyone is against me and I'm going to spew out all these accusations"! Again, you ultimately did what I instructed and provided good sources - You can cry all you want newbie, as I understand you're still frustrated because you had to go back and improve your edit - again, if you did that at the beginning, no one would have reverted your edit. So no matter what you said, I've achieved my objective and you've listened. Good luck with your future edits. Kazuha1029 (talk) 13:22, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

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Boxer Codex source page

Hello, in your edit in Philippines, can you please specify the page of the Boxer Codex citation you added? Thanks. Sanglahi86 (talk) 19:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

@Sanglahi86 Alright, here you go: p.415 on the PDF and website, but p.204 as handwritten on the book itself Mlgc1998 (talk) 20:46, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I overlooked the citation Doctrina Christiana en letra y lengua China, compuesta por los padres ministros de los Sangleyes, de la Orden de Sancto Domingo. Can you also please provide the specific page?

As an aside, the sentence Overseas trade with neighbors as early as the late Tang or Song empire brought Sinitic-speaking Chinese  to the archipelago, which would gradually settle in and intermix over the centuries has eight citations. Perhaps we need to reduce it (if not eliminate it) since the lead generally should not have citations as it should only contain the summary of the body. Ideally, the content of the sentence (together with the citations) should be mentioned in the body, so that we could remove the citations from the lead. As I am not familiar with the topic of the sentence, I don't know how to integrate it in the body; maybe you could help out? Sanglahi86 (talk) 14:25, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

@Sanglahi86 Oh, I suppose some of the message of that sentence can also be written down to the History section around the Early states (900–1565) part, then those citations be moved there. Then, the sentence in the lead can be worded a bit better to reflect the info expounded further in the body in a more concise manner. The point of the citations I added before was to make sure any readers who do not know about when the first ethnic Chinese migrants came to the Philippines can know with supporting evidence the earliest written mentions or written works by that demographic living in the Philippines, besides more ambiguous things like trade good potteries. The citation about the 1590s Boxer Codex was mainly to show the earliest mention by Spanish writers of the Sangley Chinese living in the Philippines, while the 1613 Vocabulario de lengua tagala was to show the earliest that ethnic Chinese people are talked about in the Tagalog language at that time of early Spanish colonial era, where they mentioned that "Langlang" was what the elderly Tagalog speakers back then called them even back then before that written record. Likewise, the 1593 Doctrina Christiana en letra y lengua China would be the earliest work written in Hokkien using Chinese characters with Classical Chinese choice of characters in the Philippines itself published at Manila around that time of 1593 together in the same year as the more famous 1593 Doctrina Christiana en lengua española y tagala, so the existence of the book itself of Doctrina Christiana en letra y lengua China written mostly in Chinese characters is the written evidence enough that Sangley Chinese existed living in the Philippines as far back as that time in terms of written evidence, that the citations are for. I think the Catálogo BNE (Biblioteca Nacional de España) online scan would be better currently than the UST one and if looking for a specific page to cite, I think page 16 of the PDF in the Catálogo BNE version would do as its the front title page of the book when they start writing in Chinese characters showing obviously that the book is for Sangley Chinese living in the Philippines at that time even centuries ago at 1593.

I'll see if I can help out at editing there in the Philippines wiki page. Mlgc1998 (talk) 15:42, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for helping out. It's information overload for me. Sanglahi86 (talk) 15:46, 11 May 2024 (UTC)