User talk:MrAJR76

Sockpuppetry

Please note that you are at this moment being investigated for sockpuppetry. If you care to reply, please go here[1]....William 17:22, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Ryder Cup scores

Please stop making changes to Ryder Cup scores unless you have references for them. Also you seem confused about the rules of golf. http://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Decision-02/#2-3/2 clearly states that "The handshake between the players is deemed to represent an agreement to concede each player's next stroke." This is true whether the ball is 1 inch from the hole or 200 yards away in some bushes. Shaking hands is concession of the match, it is not the concession of the hole!!! Nigej 09:24, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Although almost every website has the singles line-up wrong, this site (a contemporary one) has it right: http://www.infoplease.com/ipsa/A0110237.html I would argue that if someone makes an edit & gives a full explanation of their source (in this case, the recorded footage of the actual broadcast!) that should surely suffice or at least be taken in good faith. You're correct to cite the USGA rule, but you haven't understood how it applies in different situations & how it determines the final score of a match. "The handshake between the players is deemed to represent an agreement to concede each player's next stroke." Absolutely correct. Let's take, for example, the top match on Saturday morning in '97. Couples & Love were 1 down playing 18. Clarke fired his second shot to ten feet. Neither Couples nor Love were able to make their longer-range birdie efforts that they needed in order to force Clarke to putt. They therefore shook hands. In accordance with the rule, their handshake represented an agreement to concede each other's (in this case it could only be Clarke's) next stroke. Therefore Clarke birdied the hole, beating the American's par. That means he & Monty won that hole. As they were already one up it meant they won by two up, ie. 'two holes'.

Many things in Wikipedia go through unchallenged. However, changing 'official' Ryder Cup scores is not one of those. Wikipedia generally reflects 'official' data. If the official score is 1 up then that is the score in Wikipedia, even if there was a mistake. If you have evidence to the contrary write to the PGA and get them to change the official scores. Changing the order of matches is less controversial and with some good references may well be accepted. In addition I should add that making some incorrect and other unreferenced changes and repeatedly changing your userid has not given confidence that your edits are reliable. Nigej 17:54, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

As a further point the opening paragraph of the page is misleading. Europe led 9-4 heading into the final day, as three foursomes matches were still to be completed. Heading into the final SESSION they indeed led 10.5 to 5.5.

Such uncontroversial changes are likely to be accepted, especially if referenced. Nigej 17:54, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Re. the reliability of my edits: I've changed my user id once, and that was only because I couldn't get a password reminder sent. It's extremely rare that I've ever attempted any alterations on wikipedia, and they've been limited to a couple of Ryder Cup-related pages. Specifically regarding the '97 singles line-up my (attempted) edits are 100% reliable. Sourcing/referencing aside it is frustrating to view pages, such as this one, that contain glaring factual errors as well as poor & misleading dialogue. In future I'll bite my lip as trying to make corrections in good faith has been a waste of time.