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WikiProject Professional wrestling newsletter

Hello! The Pro Wrestling Collaboration of the Week for November 4 - November 10 is Adam Copeland. Please help to improve it to match the quality of an ideal Wikipedia professional wrestling related article. The next article for collaboration will be chosen on Sunday, November 11. Cast your vote to select the collaboration for next week! | Nominate an article that could be greatly improved! You are receiving this notification because you are listed as a member of the Professional Wrestling WikiProject. If you no longer wish to receive this notice, then please add your name to this list.

Delivered on 12:10, 4 November 2007 (UTC) by MiszaBot

WikiProject Professional wrestling newsletter

The WikiProject Professional wrestling newsletter Issue I - November 11, 2007

Project News Montreal Screwjob was featured on the Main Page as "Today's featured article" on November 9, 2007. December to Dismember (2006) and Shelton Benjamin have been elevated to Featured article status. Their respective nomination pages can see viewed here and here. Bobby Eaton is currently a Featured Article candidate. It's nomination page can be found here. Images of Beth Phoenix and the Crippler Crossface are currently Featured picture candidates. Their respective nomination pages can be found here and here. IWGP World Heavyweight Championship and NWA World Women's Championship are currently Featured list candidates. Their respective nomination pages can be found here and here. Al Costello, In Your House 1: Premiere and One Night Stand (2005) have been elevated to Good article status. Cyber Sunday (2007), Melina Perez, One Night Stand (2006) and Randy Orton are currently Good article candidates.

Current Events Solofa Fatu (known as Junior Fatu, and previously as Rikishi) was released from Total Nonstop Action Wrestling on October 25 2007 over a financial dispute, ending his short lived return to television. John Layfield's wife takes serious heat over Citigroup financial advice on November 1 2007. Brooke Adams (known simply as Brooke) was released from World Wrestling Entertainment on November 1 2007. Lilian Ellison (known as The Fabulous Moolah) passed away November 2 2007 at age 84. Chris Mordetsky and Harry Smith (known as Chris Masters and D.H. Smith, respectively) were suspended from World Wrestling Entertainment as of November 2 2007 for Wellness Policy violations. Mordetsky was released from his contract six says later.

Collaboration of the Week The Pro Wrestling Collaboration of the Week for November 11 - November 17 is World Wrestling Entertainment. Please help to improve it to match the quality of an ideal Wikipedia professional wrestling related article. The next article for collaboration will be chosen on Sunday, November 18. Cast your vote to select the collaboration for next week! — Nominate an article that could be greatly improved! From the Editor Welcome to the inaugural edition of the WikiProject Professional wrestling newsletter! I hope this will be a good source of news to those people interested in what's happening around our pro wrestlimg community. I plan to release it every Sunday. This newsletter will just be a way to get the community announcements to people who don't have the time to check the mesageboards, as well that to those just curious about the news. The newsleter will consist of a project news section (to do with what's happening on Wikipedia), and a current events section (relating to news in the "real world"). The newslette will also contain the Collaboration of the Week announcement. That's all. If you have any feedback or suggestions, please post them at this talk page. ~ The Chronic Contributors to this Issue: Gavyn Sykes — LAX — Nahallac Silverwinds — The Chronic — The Hybrid

Delivered: 18:18, 11 November 2007 (UTC) by MiszaBot

Questions re Wrestling Pics

Hi Mshake3,

I saw you on FPC last week, and just looking on this page see many compliments for your pics, so thought you may be the best person to ask. (BTW you've got some really good wrestling pics scattered around the project, you must get to a lot of events and I assume get pretty close to the ring.)

Anyway, I went to the Raw event in Melbourne, Australia last Saturday night and took a few happy snaps. Unfortunately I was up in the nosebleed section, and the lighting was all pretty dark, so they were maybe not quite as good as I hoped, but there's some pretty reasonable ones there. I was going to upload some to Wikipedia for articles, and probably nominate one or two at FPC over the next couple of months.

But before I do so I was just wondering about the protocol for putting images in wrestling articles because I don't want to step on too many toes. Let me clarify:

• Many articles seem very low on images, for example the main Professional Wrestling article and the main WWE article are very text heavy. Is this intentional on the part of the PW Project, is it because any images put in these general articles are argued over incessantly so you just have none, or is it just because no one puts them in there?
• Images in many articles, say on individual wrestlers, are pretty ordinary (quality, composition, or both) - again is this simply due to a lack of decent images available?
• Do editors tend to be highly protective of the articles or images; for example if I replaced an infobox image with one that I considered better quality, would it tend to lead to a dispute? Would I be better to just try to place them elsewhere in an article?
• Are there any issues with WWE licensing?
• If I nominated on FPC, should I let the Wikiproject know?

I do quite a lot of image work, but just want to feel out what's going on with the wrestling before I spend too much time on it. Thanks for any advice you can give, --jjron 06:50, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks so much for your reply.

So it pretty much sounds like normal image work, the odd overprotective editor perhaps, but most just happy to see the best images in the most appropriate places. I'll drop either you or 'the project' a note when I nominate at FPC.

Yes, I found that issue re trying to capture action shots. Most are suffering bad motion blur, as I had to shoot most at 1/60s. Maybe if I was nearer to the ring and in a better lit place I could do better (the taped shows like Raw and Smackdown appear to be far better lit on TV than the house shows I've attended - is this correct?).

One other thing - do you think I should try putting some images in the 'main' Professional wrestling article for example (there is currently only one picture in it), or just not bother with that and mainly stick to the individual wrestlers themselves?

BTW, I particularly like your infobox image of Ken Kennedy.

Thanks again, --jjron 08:31, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks again. I don't think I'm going to be able to help out much with the 'missing photos' list, I'm probably pretty much limited to what I took at the house show last weekend, so just a selection of the current Raw wrestlers. With a quick look at some of the articles I have some useful and in some cases better images, but I think they all had at least one pic in them already. I don't usually spend a lot of time in the wrestling articles, but I'll keep an eye out for any of yours that may strike me as FP material. --jjron 07:45, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

PwInsider

No, I don't know why www.pwinsider.com was blacklisted, but I remember my first days on wikipedia; I had no idea what Pro Wrestling Illustrated was. I confused references to "PWI" with PWInsider. When I used a link to PWInsider on wikipedia, they told me it was blacklisted because it is a typical unreliable dirtsheet. This annoying site continues to be nothing more than a dirtsheet. Lex^{94 Talk Contributions Guest Book} 04:08, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

No, not lame. Just the fact of it being on the blacklist, is a result of a community consensus. And we should not be against consensus. Lex^{94 Talk Contributions Guest Book} 14:42, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with having a belief that goes against a consensus, and anyone may wish to challenge any consensus at any time as far as I know - as long as they do it via discussion and not edit warring or other similar tactics. However, while a consensus still stands, it needs to be followed until a different one can be reached. If a person chooses to attempt to form a new consensus, hopefully they will go about it in a constructive and thought provoking manner, listing valid arguments for their case instead of just making comments like "I think its wrong" or "I don't like it" or "its lame." Cheers, --Naha|^(talk) 16:05, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I never at any stage made any edits to One Night Stand. I ask that your hasty accusation be withdrawn, please. !! Justa Punk !! 00:47, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

If the above comment was directed at me, please know that my comment was not directed at anyone in particular - just anyone in general who wants to initiate a change in consensus over something. I haven't even read the edit history of the article or policy in question. If it was not directed at me, it just looks like it becuase of how the indents are placed. Sorry for any confusion ...I was just making a general comment. --Naha|^(talk) 21:06, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Has Wrestleview been blacklisted? Why should I revert edits on your say so - hence the accusation by the way. If it's a PWInsider mirror it should be but it hasn't. Please control yourself. !! Justa Punk !! 01:02, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Please observe WP:CIVIL when addressing me in future if you would be so kind? I have removed your remark from my talk page. Thank you. !! Justa Punk !! 08:48, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Again, you did not observe WP:CIVIL when addressing me. Please do not do so a third time. Thank you. Your comment has again been removed. !! Justa Punk !! 03:06, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Please do not remove the WrestleView references from One Night Stand (2005). If I ever wanted to get the article to FA status, I would obviously have to replace WrestleView sourcing with non-dirtsheet reliable sources. Davnel03 17:48, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

This about ONS 2005 has nothing to do with PWInsider. I was following the conversation between you and Justa, and I thought one of you was about to remove all of the WrestleView sourcing. Davnel03 19:56, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Are you an editor at PWInsider or are you just madly inlove with it? Lex ^T/_C Guest Book 17:23, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Professional wrestling newsletter

The WikiProject Professional wrestling newsletter Issue II — November 25, 2007

Project News Bobby Eaton has been elevated to Featured article status. Its nomination page can be viewed here. In Your House 1 is currently a Featured Article candidate. Its nomination page can be found here. IWGP World Heavyweight Championship and NWA World Women's Championship have been elevated to Featured list status. Their respective nomination pages can be viewed here and here. Melina Perez and One Night Stand (2006) have been elevated to Good article status. Amy Dumas, Briscoe Brothers, Don Kent (wrestler), Mickie James, Randy Orton, Royal Rumble (1994), and WrestleMania III are currently Good article candidates. Current Events Booker Huffman and Sharmell Sullivan-Huffman (known as Booker T and Sharmell, respectively) debuted in Total Nonstop Action Wrestling on November 11 2007 at the Genesis pay-per-view, nearly three weeks after being released from World Wrestling Entertainment. WWE released the video game WWE SmackDown vs. Raw 2008 on November 13 2007. The game is available for the PlayStation 2, PlayStation 3, PSP, Xbox 360, Nintendo DS and Wii consoles. John Cena takes heat from CNN after an interview involving mentions of steroids. Christopher Irvine (known as Chris Jericho) returned to WWE after a two year hiatus, debuting on the November 19 2007 edition of RAW following months of speculation. Matt Hardy suffered from an inflamed appendix, rendering him unable to wrestle at Survivor Series and possibly for 8-10 weeks. Collaboration of the Week The monthly featured article collaboration for November 25 - December 1 is Triple H. Please help improve it to match the quality of an ideal Wikipedia professional wrestling related article. The next article for collaboration will be chosen on Sunday, December 2. Last week's collaboration of the week was History of professional wrestling. Cast your vote to select the collaboration for next week! — Nominate an article that could be greatly improved!

Member News There are currently 413 members participating in WP:PW (based on the members list). Lid successfully passed his RFA and is now an administrator. The RFA discussion can be viewed here. Nikki311 successfully passed her RFA and is now an administrator. The RFA discussion can be viewed here. Aaru Bui has retired from Wikipedia. The Hybrid took a wikibreak from 06:21, 25 November 2007 (UTC) to 06:23, 25 November 2007 (UTC). On the calendar: Dec. 1 - Lakersprototype2448's birthday Dec. 2 - TNA presents Turning Point Dec. 16 - WWE presents Armageddon Dec. 23 - Paulley's birthday Dec. 24 - Racer38's birthday From the Editor Welcome to the second issue of the WP:PW newsletter. We apologize for the delay. There was an issue regarding the delivery process. Anyways, we had a lot of good feedback for the last newsletter. We not only received feedback at the newsletter's talk page, but I also received some messages on my talk page as well. Thank you to those who responded. The only complaint we received was about typos, and we will try our best to keep the newsletter error-free. Please continue to offer feedback and new ideas for the next issue. The more we have, the more we'll know how to improve the newsletter. Again, thanks! -The Chronic Contributors to this Issue: Alex Roggio (talk · contribs) Davnel03 (talk · contribs) Nahallac Silverwinds (talk · contribs) Nikki311 (talk · contribs) The Chronic (talk · contribs) The Hybrid (talk · contribs) TJ Spyke (talk · contribs) Discussion • Suggestions • Feedback

Delivered: 17:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC) by MiszaBot (talk)

No Mercy (2007)

Someone else has gone and created this article, so you may wish to copy-paste what you've done into the article. Davnel03 21:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)