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re Shusha

I reverted, with the summary "rv primarily for grammar reasons, but also what it says is neutral - it IS in the disputed region, and then it says it's in the NKR and Azerbaijan. this is the result of a long time of consensus, please propose changes to this talk page first. thanks". Basically, there's been a long dispute over how to describe it, but saying it's in the disputed region (which is true) and then explaining the dispute is much preferred to picking one side of the dispute right away. Also, keep in mind that our article for the country is at Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, not Nagorno-Karabakh. Now, you may have a point with saying it's part of the NKR right away - but please propose any changes like that on the article's talk page first, as the inevitable edit wars that come from people unilaterally editing NK-related articles will not be abided. Thanks.--Golbez (talk) 12:22, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Battle of Hayots Dzor

Surely you are not serious. A legendary mythical battle that never happened, complete with day of the month it took place! Meowy 18:06, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

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Nomination of Shamkhor Massacre for deletion

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Reshid quote

I think the quote attributed to Mehmed Reshid in the Massacres of Diyarbakir (1895) article was made during another well known massacre in Diyarbekir in spring 1915.--Rafy talk 23:34, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

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Բարև ախպեր ջան, դու հայերեն գիտե՞ս: Եթե հա, մի հատ գրի, իրար հետ համագործակցենք: --Yerevanci (talk) 02:08, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Առանձնապես ոչ մի բան, ասում եմ իրար օգնենք, հայկական էջերը մաքրենք էշերից: Կարելի ա կարևորը էջերը առանձնացնել, հասկանալի պատճառներով: Իմ կարծիքով կարևոր են հիմնականում պատմության վերաբերյալ էջերը կապված Թււրքիայի հանցագործությունների և Արցախի հետ: --Yerevanci (talk) 02:21, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

OK, same for you. If you have any problem or need any help, please feel more than welcome to ask. By the way, where are you from??--Yerevanci (talk) 02:26, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

The flags on boxer's pages....

Personally I would perfer to keep them too, but at the moment, there is a rule against them in info boxes. Hoping the rule get's removed someday.. TheShadowCrow (talk) 20:22, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Shelling of Stepanakert

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I really think that the citations on this article needs to be formatted. If you click on "Cite" (above) then a drop done on will appear on the left top. You can select "web", "news", "book". Fill out the form with the information from the source and add it. I do not think that the article can pass without you do that.--Ishtar456 (talk) 21:11, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

It has been a while since I first review it. Are you planning on making any changes? I do not feel I can pass judgement on the reliability of the sources unless I can comprehend the sources and I cannot as they are written. Please let me know if you plan to correct this so I can finish the review. Thanks, --Ishtar456 (talk) 22:53, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I would like to see the reference formatted. If I remember there are only 4.--Ishtar456 (talk) 07:58, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

don't remember the nom

I think what the message you left me was about a DYK nom. But you did not reference which one. I have reviewed dozens in the last couple days, could you please remind which one we are talking about. It is also a good idea to leave messages about it on the nom template. Thanks.--Ishtar456 (talk) 06:18, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Restricting access to users in Armenia-Azerbaijan

I would like to pick the brain of more experienced users about the ongoing exchange between [User:Grandmaster] and a couple of administrators. Grandmaster suggests to restrict access to some and potentially to all articles in Armenia-Azerbaijan by excluding new users [1]. You can reply on my home page if you wish. Dehr (talk) 19:23, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Shelling of Stepanakert

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Agri

I have removed the content you recently placed there - it is off-topic: Aghuri is actually a completely different place. Maybe you could add that content to the Mount Ararat article. Meowy 02:36, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you! I appreciate it alot : ) Nocturnal781 (talk) 03:16, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

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Arguri

Hi, Nocturnal. I saw you wrote this. Do you know, are Akori and Arguri the names of the same village? Thanks. --vacio 20:14, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

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You have a stronger case in questioning the relevancy of adding his ethnicity, because his ethnicity was not the given motivation. Or else, and here you need to consult other Wikipedians, is if the event fit under discrimination when the perpetrator is diagnosed with schizophrenia. In most countries (including France) there can be no criminal charges left if mental illness was behind the said act (he was hospitalized after the event). In France discrimination is written in constitution and there are several other laws [2], but since a subject with mental illness can not be prosecuted, can there be claims of discrimination? Can there be discrimination if there can be no prosecution for it? Technically Parishan is in the wrong to add it under discrimination by this simple fact. Reason why I was against it being included in the article at the beginning. Furthermore people suffering with mental illness are more often than not a persecuted group and mixing those cases with deliberate and actual criminal acts open the door to discriminations against them. I changed my mind, because this info has to go somewhere. It's a complex issue, leaving his ethnicity we must add his mental illness, if we do that, we further add another group... or just removing Armenian. But it seems Parishan is set to keep it. I think you need a third opinion here. Yaḥyā ‎ (talk) 23:40, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

I left a comment [3] in a userpage on this issue (if there can be said it's discrimination if someone can not be sentenced being criminally responsible). Yaḥyā ‎ (talk) 01:36, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Yeah it might be a better idea to get more opinions on this. Also I agree with mentioning his mental health is definitely important and the whole case is too soon to tell.Nocturnal781 (talk) 04:17, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

I see you have opened a case, I will comment when I have time (remind me if I forget). But just to note that I disagree with you on the reliability of the source. Reason is that we can assume that the Armenian organization which condemned the act probably verified prior to making such an official condemnation (don't you think?). What may stir conflicts is beyond mere use of unreliable sources. If an Earthquake only damages a community church, we can not use this as proof of discrimination on Wikipedia because no one can be held responsible for a crime. In this case the perpetrator was hospitalized and medicated just after the event and they considered his case was enough sever that they decided to renew his hospitalization rather than handing him to authorities. Even if we didn't have a case of mental-illness, we would still have a problem. When we say discrimination, we often intent job offers, taxations, intimidations... actions which generally go beyond one individual claimed-perceived retaliation... often in discrimination there is a form of universality in the act... car targeting group of Muslims is not an usual event in France. Adding that as an example of discrimination gives this impression that there is some universality and as such that similar grave occurrences of homicide (we're talking at attempting to kill a lot of people) attempts against Muslims in France isn't that rare. This is as far as I can come in wording what I mean. Yaḥyā ‎ (talk) 05:33, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

I am just going by Wikipedia:NEWSORG which states reliable news sources would be mainstream news and Liberation.fr is not mainstream. I am not saying I don't believe he is or not but we don't have a reliable source to base that off in accordance to Wikipedia. Also the discrimination point you bring up sounds very valid, he seems to be mentally deranged. Someone with mental health issues can be persuaded by those around him and even the media easily. Since this case hasn't even went on accusing him of such seems to be wrong.Nocturnal781 (talk) 06:11, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes but when an information smells true, it will probably be confirmed afterward from other sources. So your argumentation on that noticeboard will probably be outdated later on because it is standing on things Parishan and we have no control on (availability of sources in dictating what happened or did not happen). We're not slaves of newsmedias. :) It is like arbitrarily throwing a coin to decide who win or lose between you and Parishan. :) There ought to be better ways to resolve issues.

Take Adam and Eve (I so love using the allegorical knowledge contained in religious literature, it never gets outdated) eating from the tree of knowledge of what is right or wrong...what is right or wrong is decided depending on the available information in the present, which may change...(when more info is found) it's temporary. If you feed your position on temporary things, it will be mortal. On the other hand, if you feed it from the tree of what makes a position imperishable, ... it will stand true irregardless of anything new that might be added.

I still maintain (and Parishan has to address it) that there is something inherently wrong in using as evidence of discrimination someone who committed an act in the course of a mental illness (and considered the gravest of it all, schizophrenia) outbreak. Those sufferers are already victims of discrimination in every sphere of society. He is also weakening the position that Muslims are being discriminated in France, as if no better examples could be presented. Yaḥyā ‎ (talk) 17:55, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

I will be taking a break, but when I wrote that I agreed the case should be included in the article, I was not aware that they prolonged his hospitalization and decided to not hand him to authorities. If you decide to remove the entire case rather than just Armenian (which is what would be the most reasonable thing to do), you can add a link in the talkpage of the article the discussion we had here as rational. Bye Yaḥyā ‎ (talk) 18:33, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

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Rescue of Armenians

Hi. I hope you are fine. I have removed a lot of unreferenced information. The new page review is one of the last approval stages, so when I see a page like this with a large amount of unreferenced information, and no {{In use}} tag to show that the page is undergoing a major build, I tend to err on the side of caution and remove the unreferenced information. The easiest solution is to add the tag to indicate the page in under construction. This prevents me and other editors from editing the page until the process is complete and the tag is removed. Please assume good faith of me, as I do of you. By all means add the information again when you can add the references. Best wishes, BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 04:19, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Your edits made to my draft of Ghanshyam Gupta Zaveri

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This is regarding your recent edits on my draft page.

You noted that the "Whole article needs to be formatted and edited all around. Not ready to be on Wikipedia."

Could you kindly share some examples of places where the formatting and editing are lacking?

Thanks!

Regards,

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Draft:Ghanshyam Gupta Zaveri

Hi, did you really mean to decline Draft:Ghanshyam Gupta Zaveri as 'test edit'? It's almost 20Kb in size, that's quite a test. Cheers, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:47, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

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