User talk:O.ominirabluejack

October 2019

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Hello @Binksternet:.

I've actually reached out and discussed the matter with the editor responsible, and he and I came to an agreement that my edit was basically appropriate. That was the only reason for my having restored it.

I see that it seems like you've undone it again. If you have no further objection, I'm going to restore it now.

Thank you for the advice, though.

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 04:07, 10 October 2019 (UTC)O.ominirabluejack

More on the "Chief" honorifics

Chairman: I noticed someone reverted your Chief honorific update to Olusegun Obasanjo's page. While I've decided not to revert any of your honorific updates, I want to make the appeal that the Chief thing just reads weird. It is like writing "Oba" before the entries for Erediauwa, Kosoko, or even "King" before Henry VIII of England. Hope you have a change of mind Kunkuru (talk) 19:27, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello, @Kunkuru:.

Yes, I'm actually in the middle of it with him now. What he referred me to, [[1]], actually supports what I was saying in the bit about baronets. I've pointed that out to him.

I'm not a complete idiot. If this was a policy that was being applied universally, I'd let it go. What I don't want is a situation where Sir Elton John is being treated one way, and Chief Olusegun Obasanjo is being treated another.

I appreciate that you and I disagree on this issue. I also appreciate that you have decided to leave my edits alone. However, as I told the other editor, Chief Obasanjo is beneath monarchical rank in our system, so a rough approximation of his position from Europe would be a baronet or a knight.

It is my hope that you would consider it to be just as weird that the said Sir Elton is referred to in the opening sentence of his article as Sir Elton Hercules John CBE. Since you feel so strongly about this, perhaps you should advise Wikipedia to alter its policy in regards to all titleholders below monarchical rank. If that should happen, I'll concede defeat on the matter.

Thanks for following up on it, though.

Warm regards,

O.

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 21:04, 14 October 2019 (UTC)O.ominirabluejack.

Making a page called "Nigerian Chieftaincy"

I'm trying something out here. Bear with me.

@Nigerian Chieftaincy

[[2]]

Chairman this is a valiant effort. I dey here with my chapman and suya dey watch :-) Kunkuru (talk) 16:05, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 23:29, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Kunkuru,

Broda mi, don't just sit there watching... Join in on the fun! :-)

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 17:00, 16 October 2019 (UTC)O.ominirabluejack.

Bros you wan kill me with laugh. You be the Che Guevara of Wikipedia. I trowey salute. Na your breaklight I dey follow 😂Kunkuru (talk) 03:44, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Kunkuru,

Me ke? Na frustration dey fire me o! Make God help di pesin dat says dat im title big pass my mama's own! 😂

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 04:39, 17 October 2019 (UTC)O.ominirabluejack.

Help me!

Please help me with...getting my sub-article to the main encyclopedia. Heaven knows that I don't know how that's done

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 19:26, 17 October 2019 (UTC)O.ominirabluejack.

I will shortly add the appropriate template to allow you to submit the draft for a review. 331dot (talk) 19:28, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you kindly 331dot, although I think that DESiegel might have already reviewed it. O.ominirabluejack (talk) 19:34, 17 October 2019 (UTC)O.ominirabluejack.

When did Funmilayo Ransome-Kuti become a chief?

Hello O.ominirabluejack -- I wondered if you could help me out with something. I've been editing/expanding the article for Funmilayo Ransome-Kuti quite a bit recently, and I've managed to find strong sources to confirm most of the information, but I'm having trouble with one item. When did she become a "chief"? I've heard she was one of the first women nominated (or elected?) to the Nigerian House of Chiefs, but none of my main sources confirm that. The biography by Johnson-Odim and Mba does say that Ransome-Kuti ran as a political candidate of the NCNC Party during the 1950s, but she wasn't actually elected. Any suggestions for where I could look for more info? Thanks, Alanna the Brave (talk) 00:30, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Alanna the Brave. How have you been? I'm so very sorry that I haven't helped out with that page. Life has been crazy here in Lagos.

Anyway, let me make up for it by helping out now. Chief Ransome-Kuti was a politician that was raised to the chieftaincy by our government apolitically, much like how a politician in Britain can be raised to the peerage today in an apolitical fashion. I have a Pathè documentary from the 1940s that shows her and her fellow chiefs of the house, so I would say that her holding of her title would have had to have been from a point prior to our country's independence in 1960.

I'll try to find the exact date for you, but in the meantime I'll share the YouTube link here so that you can see it.

Happy holidays, luv.

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 17:04, 30 December 2019 (UTC)O.ominirabluejack.

Thanks O! No apologies necessary -- life is definitely crazy sometimes, and I see you've been busy working on lots of other Nigeria-related Wikipedia articles. I'll check out that YouTube video, and maybe it will help me locate other resources as well. This is my first foray into Nigerian history/culture, so I'm finding my research pretty interesting so far. Happy holidays to you too, Alanna the Brave (talk) 20:51, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Alanna the Brave, here it is.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=406665643365316&id=194981094533773

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William Farrar (settler)

Hi @O.ominirabluejack:, The issue is that when we worked on the Cecily Jordan Farrar, as well as the William Farrar page, there was a firestorm about pedigree and using Wikipedia pages to establish pedigrees, such as First Families of Virginia or relationships to king. In the mix, we agree to keep the focus on what people did in their lives and maybe one or two generations before as they are relevant to context.

Cecily Jordan Farrar, for example, is given credit for being related to presidents and the like via Temperance Bailey. On the Cecily Jordan Farrar pages, there were long lists of her descendents, which really appeared to minimize her noteworthiness for her own life. At one point, a couple of the editors who have higher privileges had decided to remove her page altogether! I had to negotiate getting a new one reinstated by building a subtantial one from scratch. Later, when I added a comment about her potential relationship to Temperance Bailey who may be her daughter, it triggered more problems as you can see from the talk page.

If we could, I'd like to just leave the Farrar's articles focused on what they accomplished and avoid the geneology. Eventually, the genealogy will be deleted eventually unless it is directly and verifiably relevant to the person's accomplishments. It that reasonable?Wtfiv (talk) 01:13, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Wtfiv...

Thank you for getting back to me. I really appreciate it.

It seems like there's been quite a bit of drama concerning the Farrars. I can understand how frustrating that must have been for you. It actually sounds a lot like some of the fights that I've gotten into on Wikipedia concerning genealogy more generally of late. If you don't mind, I think that I'm going to make an official complaint about this apparent aversion to genealogical writing in the Teahouse.

Pertaining to the Farrars specifically, I understand your concerns, but what I don't understand is how speaking about the Squire of Croxton - an armigerous landowner - is okay, but talking about his wife - a direct descendant of the Plantagenets - is not. To a pre-revolutionary colonist like William Farrar, both would be of equal benefit to his life... In fact, in some situations, the connection to the royal house of the old country would be even more beneficial than the land there.

I am reminded here of the case of Edith Bolling. Do we really need to know that she was descended from Pocahontas, as they tell us in her article? Probably not, but the fact that she was undoubtedly had an effect on her life. It deserved to be mentioned.

I think that Wikipedia's litmus test in matters such as these should be verifiability. If we can provide sources, I don't see why anyone would get bent out of shape over any of it.

Anyway, I look forward to hearing what else you think. Here's hoping that you have a great day.

Yours sincerely,

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 01:59, 22 March 2020 (UTC) O.ominirabluejack.

@O.ominirabluejack: The use of esquire (Which John Ferrar apparently purchased this in his lifetime- hence, he is Esquire of London, rather than Croxton where his manor was.) if you look at the history in the visitations) was also quite a dust-up, as some editors were deleting arguing that esquire was an honorific rather than armigerous landowner. Interestingly, Another contributor, Oldperson, tried to build a page for John Ferrar, and tie in Cecily Kelke, but was told John Ferrar wasn't sufficiently noteworthy. (I guess it is the lack of documentation.)

From my perspective, the main reason John Ferrar's title comes into play in an article regarding his son is to justify using the image of the coat of arms (which William Farrar was allowed to use, as his son's will references the coat of arms.) I also had to build that image from scratch to avoid potential copyright violation. I could argue this as the line of descent was one removed.

I do admit that even though I know John Ferrar married well, I much prefer the story as it is, as William Farrar shows his significance in his own right.

I do think a great place for trying to work out the genealogies of the Farrar family is Farrar (surname). By the way, thank you very much and have a good day at well.Wtfiv (talk) 04:23, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Thinking more about this. If you could work in the point about Cecily Kelke with citation on the front side where John is mentioned that may work. After all, his father is mentioned, so why not his mother?Wtfiv (talk) 04:29, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Precisely my position. Thank you very much, Wtfiv... I'll do so once I've got at least two decent citations concerning Mrs. Kelke Farrar, and I'll also let you know if anything comes of the complaint moving forward.

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 04:54, 22 March 2020 (UTC) O.ominirabluejack.

I enjoyed talking with you...Thanks!...Wtfiv (talk) 06:06, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Ways to improve Oyo Mesi

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Thanks, Meatsgains! I'll get to work on it now!

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 01:35, 22 March 2020 (UTC) O.ominirabluejack.

It's a minor issue, but I think you're probably signing your talk page posts with ~~~~O.ominirabluejack., which you can see incorrectly renders with your name both before and after the timestamp. Please just use ~~~~ as the very last thing in your posts. If you are doing just that, the signature in your preferences, about half way down the page at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-personal needs to be reset. Just clear out the "Signature:" field and uncheck the "Treat the above as wiki markup" checkbox. Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 05:23, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Ah... Okay. Thank you, AlanM1... I'll try that now.

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 07:00, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

You got it. Cheers! —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 09:11, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

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Hey, Wtfiv...

Look at the response that my complaint got. What do you think of it?

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 20:47, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi O.ominirabluejack,

I don't want to address Wikipedia policy per se, but I'll share my thoughts. In general, I'm personally not big on amplifying pages that are biographies with genealogies, particularly the genealogy of descendants. When I stepped into editing, I encountered many pages where the ancestry and descendants detracts from the narrative of the topic person notability. On the other hand, I think pages on surnames and the like are ideal for tracing genealogies.I feel it is a matter of focus: Is the article a biography or is it a genealogy? I certainly do feel if the ancestry of someone is relevant to the actions of the person they should be included (e.g., knowing Louis XVI lived under the shadow of his relation to Louis XIV is important to the biography)

I do agree with an important point raised in your archived discussion. First, I think culture-dependent social-recognized titles should be universally applied in the way that the person who the biography is about thought was relevant, regardless of cultural origin. In at least first mention, the culturally obtained title should be used. This holds true, in my opinion for someone from cultural-political entities as diverse as Nigeria, the Powhatan Confederacy, or Hesse. The major difficulty is ensuring there is an article explaining the title, so people can track it and further link to articles explaining the entire embedded matrix of the article. Your observation that Wikipedia does not respect titles from non-western cultures to the same extent as western cultures is spot on. This needs to be rectified. This is where Wikipedia may be useful and somewhat an exception to my previous point. Pointing out someone's ancestry to a less-known, but important group or role (e.g., Fa'amatai or the Nigerian Chieftaincy, as you pointed out. So, making sure titles are mentioned can push people toward learning more about the cultures these individuals are embedded in. I particularly agree that when the cultural context of these relationships of hierarchy and status directly affect a person's social context, behaviors and motivations, they need to be explained.

Finally, I'm personally very suspicious of ancestry.com as a source. In doing the Farrar research, who I knew little about when I started, almost all the information I encountered in such sites was just not reliable. Often I felt I was in of game of telephone filled with spurious, wishful information. Worse yet, the citations were often citations of other genealogical sites that seemed to become circular or based on just one unverified website. On rare occasions, tracking a reference from these sources finally got me to a reliable one, but these sites accuracy is just too low for me to think about relying on them. (And other editors will strike them too.)

BestWtfiv (talk) 23:51, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your two cents, Wtfiv... I generally agree with your views, and appreciate that you took the time to give me such a broad analysis.

I am pleased that you feel that there is merit in my criticism of the current practice where titles from other honours systems are concerned. That is the one aspect of all of this that I was considering following up on moving forward.

In the matter of Ancestry.com, I certainly agree with you to a certain extent... A lot of what emanates from there is genealogical hogwash. That having been said, I do think that there's the risk of throwing the baby out with the bath water here... That which the Ancestry proprietors put out is of a much higher quality than what amateurs self-publish on its platforms. I admit that I'd much rather rely on what the New England Genealogical Society releases, but they tend not to have a very extensive archive of material pertaining to certain communities... As the name implies, they're strongest in terms of the genealogies of old families from the East Coast of America. It's kind of a catch 22 situation.

At any rate, I'll keep you informed moving forward. Take care out there, man... This Corona thing is all kinds of scary.

Yours sincerely,

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 02:08, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Be well, O.ominirabluejack and keep creating an awareness for other honours system. There is this real danger of Eurocentrism, and really Eurocentrism of a very limited subset.Wtfiv (talk) 01:58, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

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Kunkuru...

Kunkuskus, you still dey around? I had begun to wonder o!

Thank you very much for this. I have been doing so much on here that I completely forgot about that draft. I'll add it momentarily.

I hope that you're staying safe out there, brother. This Corona thing is the friggin' end of the world.

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 03:23, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

I full ground oga. Our world is not going to be the same but as humans we always adapt! Keep up the good work sir.Kunkuru (talk) 12:02, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Kunkuru...

I will endeavour to do so. Thanks for the encouragement, man. Catch you later. O.ominirabluejack (talk) 18:13, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

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Thank you, @Mccapra:! O.ominirabluejack (talk) 01:44, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

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Odundun I

Hello, O.ominirabluejack...

Hi, its Oniwe, I'm very glad to see that you are fascinated with the information on the page. I personally do not know of the Adeyemi branch of the Osupa family, I am a descendant of Oba Odundun I through one of Oba Odundun's daughters who was actually exiled from the palace in the late 1880s, and I've been doing more research on the Akure royal family. However, I do know of the Adeyemo Branch of the Osupa/Odundun family, they are descended from Oba Odundun's son Adegbite. I think you may be referring to the Adeyemo branch but if I hear of an Adeyemi branch I will notify you. I see from your talk page that you are related to the Benin royal family and considering the Akure royal family is also related to Benin we must be distant cousins! :)

I'm also glad I have met another correspondent of Nigerian history, especially that of the Yoruba, I look forward to hearing from you and reading your articles! Hope you are doing well as well.

Oniwe (talk) 01:33, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

The Adeyemos, huh? That will bear some investigation. Thanks for the lead, cuz. 😊 O.ominirabluejack (talk) 01:31, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Nigerian heraldry

The full reference for Macmillan 1920 is missing. Could you add it please?

Also if you install User:Svick/HarvErrors.js, you'll be notified of those issues in the future. If you don't know how to install it, let me know, I'll walk you through it. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:31, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Headbomb...

Yes, of course... Let me go and find the reference now.

Also, thank you very much for your kind offer... I think that I'll take you up on it.

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 20:36, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

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You can tell it works by checking Nigerian heraldry and see the Macmillan reference throwing an error. Unless you've fixed it, in which case just look at an old version of the page, before it was fixed. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:05, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks again, Headbomb... Not sure if it worked - for all I know, I just broke into Fort Knox by accident 😂 - but it was kind of you to bring it to my attention.

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 22:06, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Well, if you see an error message here, it works. For the rest, thanks for giving the full ref! Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:10, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

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The Anomaly of the "Nigerian Chieftaincy"

Hello O.ominirabluejack,

Thank you for reaching out on my talk page. It seems I have to clarify my previous edit on the Nigerian Chieftaincy article which you reverted on the basis of adhering to statute. I normally don't inundate myself with trivial details on or of persons articles, I therefore seek your indulgence. The article and its chosen title is completely anomalous and banal, attempting to homogenise diverse traditions under the spectre of Nigerian nationalism and even at that - woefully falls short as the "Chiefs Law" which seems to be your raison d'être are a series of uncodified erratic issuances which at best are a facade with NO authoritative (constitutional, et al.) basis and therefore rejects your statutory literalist stance.

I'm glad at least you brought up the Duchy of Lancaster, which again you're mistaken. In the United Kingdom, the Sovereign owns several estates passed down from generations and are often intertwined with the Sovereigns duties as the fount of honour and pinnacle of distinction and royalty - thereby creating a dichotomous relationship between the Monarch and subjects (including nobility). Furthermore, it seems you are incredibly mistaken with your pre-suppositions of monarchy and hierarchy found in Sudano-Hamitic civilisation, where nature and order are in tandem with authority and leadership. "Chieftancy" on the other-hand denotes a more primitive hierarchy akin to pre-modern tribal societies of the Bantoid hordes.

For the sake of brevity, as earlier elucidated I shan't comment further on this anomaly, and respectfully yield to your hearts desires.

Thanks,

Imperialization40 (talk) 20:10, 20 September 2020 (UTC).

Hello, @Imperialization40:.

Thank you for your response. It seems as though we disagree about the use of the term "chief" more widely. My position is as follows:

Firstly, our courts are part of the judicial branch of our government. As such, any recognition by them confers definite authority and legal being upon our chieftaincy institution. A further constitutional recognition is therefore unnecessary.

Secondly, the distinction that you draw between "Sudano-Hamites" and "Bantus" is problematic as well. It seems that you are applying a standard of codification that even the Britons didn't use whilst they were here. Case in point: the Northern House of Chiefs was known as a HOUSE OF CHIEFS while it existed. Whoever came up with the idea that chieftaincy was "primitive" obviously didn't see fit to exclude the Northern aristocrats from the sphere of the word's usage. I therefore see no reason to.

In reference to the Queen of England, my position was merely that if you look at society as being composed of a nobility that includes all of the dukes of the realm, then the queen cannot be excluded from it as duke of Lancaster. The only way to do so would be to claim that the duchy does not legally exist, and so the title is really more of a nickname.

Finally, I tried as much as possible in the article in general to describe the various sub-systems that our chieftaincy system is composed of. We do indeed have many differences between our various tribes, but we also have many similarities as well. The page is meant to give a broad sense of our system, much like the page on the British Peerage does for theirs: The constituent nations in the United Kingdom all have significant differences, so the page simply focuses on the similarities.

At any rate, I appreciate your leaving the restoration as it is. Mallam Sanusi is arguably one of our more famous titleholders, and excluding him wouldn't be proper.

Here's hoping that this finds you well,

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 04:42, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

About your Keisha Omilana

I don't know what you're doing here, but Keisha Omilana article in its current state qualifies for speedy deletion under criterion WP:G11. In its current form, it's written like an advertisement or promotion and must be rewritten to conform with Wikipedia neutral point of view or I or another editor might tag it as such. It also qualifies for speedy deletion under criterion WP:G4, because its a recreation of a page that was deleted via a delete discussion, see here. Best, —Nnadigoodluck🇳🇬 05:06, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Nnadigoodluck.

In reference to it being rewritten, I would be only too happy to do so. I had thought that it was neutral enough, but I'll take another look at it now.

In reference to the previous page about the Olori, I was under the impression that it was deleted because it took whole sections of its content from her website. I expressly refrained from doing anything of the sort with mine in an attempt to avoid a similar fate.

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Lekki massacre

Hello, could you explain the reason why you did this? —Nnadigoodluck███ 09:21, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Nnadigoodluck...

I thought that the usage of the "in" was erroneous. I deleted it, and a split second later, it was reverted. I decided to leave it alone after that.

Make sure that you stay safe.

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 15:34, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

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Thanks for creating this article I have meaning to create this article but NPP has taken up my all of my time. The “older Ogboni fraternity” you made reference to is actually called “Aborigine Ogboni fraternity” I have made the changes accordingly. A major caution would be this; for each individual you include in the notable members section please ensure to include an inline citation adjacent their names as this fraternal order is a very controversial one.

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Hello, Celestina007...

You're welcome.

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 13:57, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Caution

Do not remove this from the article anymore as Ogboni is very broad & being as specific as possible aids the readers, coupled with the fact I have red-linked it as it also a notable fraternal order. Most imperatively; for the second time; do not add your own commentary to articles especially when they are not in the sources provided. This edits summary was meant to pass that message to you, but since you didn’t catch it, I’m stating categorically now that you may not add your own commentaries to articles. If you continue doing this after I have told you not to, you’d be walking the thin line between article ownership & WP:TE. Thank you for complying. Celestina007 (talk) 14:21, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

What did I just tell you above about a redlink & what have you done here? Anyway It’s fine, I mean, you are Nigerian & the article would have been of great value to Nigerian readers, but since it’s your article & you don’t want it there, no problem, but please, do not add your own commentary to that article. If I have to warn you a fourth time I’d have to report this as disruptive editing. Celestina007 (talk) 14:51, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

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Membership of the Reformed Ogboni Fraternity

It’s good to see you heeded my advice & did the right thing by terminating all original research in the linked article. I noticed you created a new article, I haven’t checked to see if it is notable yet, but I’m here for a different purpose altogether, now, something you should keep in the back of your mind is that any individual you choose to affiliate with the R.O.F, you must be a 100% sure they are in actuality, members of the fraternity or in someway affiliated with the organization as they have a very negative reputation and people generally do not want to be seen associating with the fraternity directly or indirectly. They have been described on multiple occasions as a devil worshiping cult engaging periodically in human sacrifices for example look at this article. Having said, If the organization directly via their website claims a notable individual to be their member then you may include that individual to the notable members section of the article & adjacent your entry add the website source. for example, the R.O.F, on multiple occasions have claimed the former governor of Imo State, Rochas Okorocha to be a member see this.Celestina007 (talk) 14:08, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

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Missing cites

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• Nigerian Chieftaincy: Ejiogu 2004, Johnson 1921, Sklar 2004, Obadare and Adebanwi 2011
• Adegboyega Edun: Ajisafe, A. K. 1924, Akpofure and Crowther 1966, Johnson, S. 1921
• Charlotte Obasa: George 2014, Schoonmaker 2003
• Reformed Ogboni Fraternity: Anyebe 1999

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Thank you for telling me, Renata. I'll get right on it. O.ominirabluejack (talk) 20:59, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

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Thank you, UnitedStatesian. O.ominirabluejack (talk) 14:32, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

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Please, Please & Please

You keep sneaking in unverifiable information into articles even when we have “agreed” for this to end but each time you think I’m not watching you bring back those unverifiable information back to the article. Please consider this a “friendly” warning, please cease and desist from putting unverifiable information into an article. Like linking the Nigerian cult to freemasonry without a reliable source to substantiate your claims. Thanks for complying. Celestina007 (talk) 19:00, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Celestina007...

Forgive me, but I could have sworn that I included a link when I restored the claim about the "cult" and the Masons... That link plainly states that the founder was influenced by Christianity AND Freemasonry. I am going to check it just to make sure. If I didn't dream that, I really don't see what the problem here is. O.ominirabluejack (talk) 19:17, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

if you are going to affiliate a cult with a negative reputation, yes, a cult as per this, this, & this to Freemasonry, then the least you can do is learn to cite a book properly. Please do not re-include that information until you have properly substantiated your claims. Celestina007 (talk) 20:14, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

The source you added does not substantiate that claim. Celestina007 (talk) 22:25, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

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Consensus is key

I have generated this when there is a content dispute the talk page of that article should be used as a venue to reach consensus so please do not re-include Freemasonry in that article until a consensus is reached. Doing so would constitute disruptive editing. If a consensus says Freemasonry be included then that is what we shall do if a consensus reaches a different conclusion, then that is fine by me. Once again, remember do not re-include Freemasonry to that article any further till a consensus is reached. Thank you for your compliance. Celestina007 (talk) 22:39, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Celestina007, I just saw this. Please disregard my last message then. Very well. I shall await the decision of the other editors. O.ominirabluejack (talk) 22:51, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

That’s all, I’m a team player & contrary to what you left on my talk-page, its not that I don’t want the information there I just want to be sure there’s a real connection between the organization & we aren’t misinforming the public. My father is a mason, my grandfather was a mason also, my other grandfather, an Ogboni member , a knight of st mulumba and a Rosicrucian, so you see I’m not favoring any side per se. The truth is all we seek and seek to put out there. If after 7 days(on Sunday) the consensus building has no participants you may re-include the information but please look for salient reliable sources to back the claim. I checked the page 65 of the source you put before but couldn’t see a mention of either organizations there, let alone their supposed interplay. I’m not sure I understand why linking both organizations means the world to you but I presume you have your reasons, but you must understand verifiability in reliable sources is a rock on which Wikipedia is built.Celestina007 (talk) 23:25, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Celestina007, if I said page 65, you have my apologies. I must have been blind with rage. It was supposed to be 60. Anyway, as I said, I shall wait. Also, I had a grandfather that was a mason, and a grandfather and a father that were and are R.O.F. I'm glad to hear that you just want the truth. This is what I want as well. Have a good week.O.ominirabluejack (talk) 23:39, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

You too my friend. Celestina007 (talk) 23:54, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

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African folklore

I've reversed your edit to The Scorpion and the Frog because your source is questionable. Livraghi gives no information for the source of his assertion about African folklore and the only source given by Takeda (2011), who uses the word perhaps (vieleicht), is Livraghi's blog. Since Livraghi wrote in 2007, the earliest source that has been discovered for the story is in a 1933 Russian novel, as stated in the article. Unless there is a more reliable source than an author's blog, especially where the subject is contentious, your edit fails the WP:SOURCE guideline. It may be that you have access to more specialised Nigerian evidence, in which case please discuss the matter on the article's Talk page. It would be very helpful. Sweetpool50 (talk) 12:25, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for reaching out, Sweetpool50. Yes, it's one of those situations where I had always known it as an African folk tale. Finding a proper reference for it has actually led to me finding this:

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Although it too is a blog, it includes a reference to the book Hausa Tales and Tradition by Edgar and Skinner. I'll attempt to find better references for both stories. If I manage to, I'll put them on the talk page. 14:19, 16 January 2021‎ O.ominirabluejack

So that was the story, one I first read somewhere else a long time ago! You'll have noticed that it doesn't have one character or situation in common with "The Scorpion and the Frog", so obviously isn't the analogue you want. But maybe you were hoping to find something else in the book that is closer? Sweetpool50 (talk) 15:32, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Sweetpool50, yes... I'll check the Hausa book first. If there's nothing there, I'll widen the search to other tribes. What I'm looking for has got to be somewhere out there. O.ominirabluejack (talk) 16:06, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

OK, good hunting! Remember that to establish a pre-existence, the key dates are 1944 (when the fable appeared supposedly as a translation of a Russian novel set in Central Asia) and 1955, its appearance in Orson Welles' novel. There's the Jungian doctrine of relative simultaneity (I forget the term he used) to bear in mind, but you'd definitely need a source for arguing that! Sweetpool50 (talk) 16:29, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Sweetpool50, got it! O.ominirabluejack (talk) 16:41, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

John Randle

Good day, please note Dr John Randle had other children such as Romanes Adewale Randle — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.185.99.211 (talk) 15:45, 18 February 2021 (UTC) O.ominirabluejack (talk) 10:00, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

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Greetings!

Greetings O.ominirabluejack! You have stated at your article List of traditional titles borne by the Heads of State of Nigeria, that The Queen's title in Yoruba was "Oba Obirin ti Ile Nigeria", but do you have any source for that? Peter Ormond 💬 16:02, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Peter Ormond.

Yes, I have a reference. It's an old Pathè newsreel. I wasn't sure if I could share it, but now I think that I will. O.ominirabluejack (talk) 08:14, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

@O.ominirabluejack: Yes, please share the link. Regards. Peter Ormond 💬 08:21, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	For creating Reformed Ogboni Fraternity, it gives me joy whenever I read it, it had always been on my mind to create it but always postponed it, I’m happy you found the time to create it. Thanks, it is always a thing of pure joy to see notable and pure encyclopedic material being created. Celestina007 (talk) 15:31, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

On AOF

Although I believe you aren’t too keen on the Aborigine Ogboni Fraternity (Ogboni Ibile) could you be so kind as to draft up an article on them? Anything at all even if it’s a stub ? Celestina007 (talk) 22:36, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Celestina007.

I'm kind of inundated at the moment, but I'll see what I can do.

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 06:32, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

I understand jack, lately I too remain largely occupied by real life events but anything at all you start even if it’s a stub I would be grateful. Oh and could you explain the meaning of “Ogbo ato”? I speak and hear Yoruba perfectly so I understand what it means “literally” but there’s a more esoteric interpretation I’m definitely not grasping could you help me out? Celestina007 (talk) 20:58, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

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I was thinking, could you be so kind as to create an article on Francis Meshioye the current Oloye & Olori Oluwo(Supereme leader of the Reformed Ogboni Fraternity) even if it’s a Stub? I’d personally “okay it” I’m fascinated by this organization, Infact I just wrote a book about them. I’m excited because women are allowed to be part. Furthermore per WP:BALANCE I was thinking of including controversial claims to the article. Celestina007 (talk) 21:39, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Celestina007... How have you been?

I personally don't know much about Chief Meshioye. A page on him that is done by me wouldn't do him justice. I'll go and check to see if there are any articles that might help, though.

As to the controversial claims, all I can do is advise caution. As I mentioned last year, the controversial claims about the Freemasons aren't on their pages. If you are going to include anything from Nigeria, I can only recommend that you make sure that it appears in a reputable publication. There's a reason why the National Enquirer can't be cited on Wikipedia. The same is true of some of our more... Salacious... rags.

At any rate, I hope that you cite your book. There really isn't enough information out there about the ROF.

Yours sincerely,

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On ROF (2)

Jack, happy new year mate, I see you changed Francis Meshioye's title from “Supreme leader” to “Olori Oluwo” I have no issues with that, My thinking is or was since this was the English Wikipedia it was only fair to interpret it, you see, the 33° Mason is a “Sovereign grand master” or “Grand inquisitor” the head of the current leader of the AMORC, one of the many forms of Rosicrucianism, is referred to as the “Grand imperator” or simply the “Imperator” i probably have asked you before, but I want to politely beg you to create an article on Francis Meshioye, even if is a stub, I would have done so myself but NPP and the Teahouse takes a chunk of my time, please can you? Celestina007 (talk) 21:22, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Smh this is the request right here. Can you please give this a shot? Celestina007 (talk)

Furthermore as I stated earlier and per WP:BALANCE I have included claims that the organization is a secret society that partake in human sacrifice, optimizing irrefutable reliable sources which comprises google books, JSTOR and using other reliable websites. Celestina007 (talk) 00:03, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Celestina007.

I will see if my schedule allows for me to make one. Outside of that, as I said when you first asked, I'm not really familiar with Chief Meshioye myself, so I'm not sure that I'm the one that should make a wiki page about him. I'll google him now, though.

In reference to the claims, I suppose that I can't fault something that's properly sourced. I would be interested in seeing how you included the information, though.

As to Chief Meshioye's title, the reason I reverted it to the Yoruba was because that version was used to refer to Sir Adeyemo and Sir Adetokunbo earlier in the article.

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 02:06, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

I have no problem with the revert, concerning Francis Meshioye I might attempt to start something on them today. If you don’t respond I’d perfectly understand, are you a member of the ROF? Celestina007 (talk) 23:27, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

No, I'm not. My grandfather was, and my father is, but I'm not a member myself. I do have a book explaining their symbolism in my possession though, Celestina007.

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 23:47, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Wow aren’t you lucky, mine was a Mason, I believe the ROF to be more liberal and inclusive irrespective of gender. I’m honestly impressed by their progressive thinking, I’m not even going to ask why you aren’t a member, I’m envious of you, your grandfather was a member, your father is a member, heck! I believe If you applied the ROF wouldn’t even ask you for a registration fee. It’s just straight to initiation! Lucky you! I’m jealous 🤦‍♀️ Celestina007 (talk) 23:25, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Ha ha ha! I'm not sure that I'm the sort that they usually go for! Jokes apart, I'm not a member due to a number of family issues that are far too protracted to get into here. If you really want to join the masons, though, you could consider female masonry. From what I understand, it is quite a vigorous discipline, Celestina007.

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 20:33, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Are you referencing this guys? Lmao, I feel like that they aren’t the real deal, to be honest, comments such as “I'm not a member due to a number of family issues that are far too protracted to get into here” makes me scared of petitioning for ROF membership and Nollywood isn’t helping matters either. Did you ever watch this Nigerian movie? Yes that sort of fear😂. Okay on a more serious note I’m only happy I have the privilege to discuss with you. Celestina007 (talk) 22:54, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm not an expert on the R.O.F. by any standards, Celestina007, but you can explore further if you want. My issues are more with my father than with them, so don't let my comment sway you. As to Nollywood, you must understand that there's very little in the way of concrete proof of any of that. Some people feel the need to glory in their Christianity by bagging on things like the R.O.F. Even if there's an element of truth there as a result, it's been sensationalized to an obscene degree. Anyway, talking to you has convinced me to make a stub for Chief Meshioye. Let me do that now.

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 23:21, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Waasere omo iya mi, I’d love to see that happen, no matter how small the stub is, I’d furnish it would hardcore sources that’d make it mainspace worthy and from there we would build something magnificent. Celestina007 (talk) 23:41, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

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Omo Iya

I thoroughly re-worded Reformed Ogboni Fraternity#Controversies to meet WP:NPOV, please take a look at it and tell me what you think. Celestina007 (talk) 22:54, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

I shall do so, Celestina007.

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Hey jack, of recent i have been addicted to anything Ogboni related, I really can’t explain it, i was trying to thoroughly research on the Ogboni fraternity thus I travelled to a town in Nigeria called Ikorodu, it has a library, in which I read that they were other Ogboni fraternities asides ROF & AOF, at least, 11 more types for example, Salaa Ogboni, Oshugbo Ogboni, Ogboni ibile and a plethora of others, I was thinking we could co create an article that teaches the doctrine(s) of the Ogboni titled Ogbonisim what are your thoughts ? Celestina007 (talk) 19:06, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Celestina007. How are you?

As we've discussed in the past, I am far from an expert. The three I'm familiar with are the R.O.F., the Ogboni Ibile (which is mostly already covered by the Ogboni article) and the Ogboni Aborigine. Oshugbo is what they call Ibile in Ijebu, so I created a redirect to the article. Not sure I'm the right guy to do anything more in-depth than this, but I'd gladly offer my thoughts if you were to make any new articles.

I hope you had fun in Nigeria!

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 19:26, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Although my family is in the US, I’ve lived In Nigeria for 20+ years and I am of Indian heritage, however, I’m a Nigerian citizen and I possess the green passport. I merely travelled to Ikorodu, where I was informed that I could learn a great deal of Ogbonism if I visited, that was how i knew about the other ogboni fraternities, thanks for the feed back my brother. Celestina007 (talk) 20:00, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Then you really ARE a sister, Celestina007. Wonderful. You should absolutely try to write more articles on our culture. I've been doing my best with the little I know...

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I’m seeking who to disturb

So yeah this is me disturbing for no reason I just feel like disturbing you 🙃. Celestina007 (talk) 20:52, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

No explanation required. How are you, Celestina007? 😂

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😂 I’m good Jack, i was going through Reformed Ogboni Fraternity & Francis Meshioye & this brought me internal inexplicable joy, words can’t express how happy I am with those encyclopedic articles of extreme value you created so rather than just tell you “thank you for creating those articles” which I must have told you over a dozen times now, I just figured I’d disturb you instead. Omo iya mi, How are you too? I trust all is okay. Of a truth anytime I see my fellow Nigerian brothers and sisters who are honest, have no history of shady dealings, creates encyclopedic articles of value, the way I feel can’t be described, but just know that my soul thanks and appreciates you. Celestina007 (talk) 21:24, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Celestina007, things are things. We soldier on. You needn't thank me so much for making those wiki pages. I've made quite a few at this point, and doing so is its own reward. I've been busy with other things this past few months, and I haven't been as active here as I once was, but thank you for thinking of me. It is appreciated.

Happy Easter to you and yours.

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 09:47, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

• • • Happy Easter to you too baby boy, better forget all this your big big grammar and come and do and marry me so we would join Ogboni together, I’m a very fine girl oo it’s just that I once suffered from gigantism which took multiple surgeries to correct so I’m 6'6 that’s the only comma i have 😂. Okay Jokes aside, thank you once more, and happy holidays my dear brother. Celestina007 (talk) 18:33, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

😂 I'm sure that you're beautiful... And I like them tall anyway.

Jokes aside, you take care of yourself. It's hard on these here wiki streets these days, you know. Can't turn off the big big grammar, though. Believe me, I've tried. 🤣

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I reverted you because I'm pretty sure Celestina has never revealed where specifically she is from. If that's not the case please point me to a diff and I'll self-revert. Primefac (talk) 18:10, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Primefac.

Celestina007 and I have taken to speaking about ourselves quite freely of late. In a recent conversation, she mentioned that she had travelled recently. I was just asking to see if she got back safely. The rest is just friendly informality.

As to where exactly she mentioned it, you will find that on the talk page of our mutual friend Kambai Akau. It's in the "Kambai!Kambai!Kambai!" section.

Here's hoping you are well.

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Thanks for the explanation. Primefac (talk) 19:37, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

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North8000 (talk) 18:11, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

@North8000:, thank you.

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 19:12, 21 February 2024 (UTC)