User talk:October1625

Henry de Vere Vane, 9th Baron Barnard

A quick google search brought up his entry in peerage.com which listed Inner Temple. Incidentally if you use reference names like you did then you don't have to reneter the rest of the citation <ref name="name"/> does it all for you. If anything changes though e.g. page number then you do need to create a new citation, but there are ways round this :-) NtheP (talk) 17:36, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Have you any free images of him? That would be good to add. NtheP (talk) 17:38, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Uploading to Commons

Don't let the uploading at Commons put you off. Go to this page and after you have put in the source file and destination name the only bit left is to fill out this section {{Information |Description= |Source= |Date= |Author= |Permission= |other_versions= }}

Description - easy
Source - just be honest about where you got the phot from from, a scan from a book, family photo etc
Date - if known other wise put {{unknown}}
Author - as date
Permission - this is the tricky one. What it is asking is why can the image be freely placed on Commons. There are loads ranging so it might be easier if you tell me how you think it's ok to upload the photo and I'll tell you the licence code to use. NtheP (talk) 17:54, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Family album

Great, one of the easier ones. I'm presuming it's a photo taken by a member of the family rather than a studio portrait? If it is then after permission you enter {{PD-heirs}}. If it's a studio shot then copyright rests with the photographer and it's most likely that {{PD-old}} will apply but you'd have to know the name and date of death of the photographer to be sure. There are loads of other possibilities but if you can confirm if {{PD-heirs}} applies then we can stop worrying.

My changes

I removed the "English barristers" category because it's a superset of "Members of the Inner Temple"; being in the latter means he belongs to the former. I'm not sure what to make of Henry de Vere Vane's middle name. The sources I've seen that delineate his middle name (Ruvigny's Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal, [ Cracroft's Peerage]) all treat it as a single-barreled surname, but it is interesting that his name never seems to appear in contemporary sources without it. I've moved it back on the strength of that. I'm glad you like the succession boxes! I've been installing those for quite a few years, so if you have another article on English nobility or gentry you want me to spruce up with the appropriate categories or boxes, let me know. (I confess I don't know much about the succession for the various Masonic grand masters, but I do find them on a number of noblemen, so someone must.) Choess (talk) 01:40, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Major Hon. Henry Cecil Vane

Alex, you'll find the link on your user page doesn't work properly as I moved the article to Henry Cecil Vane in line with Wiki naming policies which are not to include ranks or minor titles in the article name unless essential for disambiguation from other people. I've changed the links on other article pages just not your user page. The original title still exists currently as a redirect but has been proposed for deletion under WP:CSD#R3. Have you uploaded the photo of the 8th Baron yet? NtheP (talk) 20:37, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Latin help

Context

Hello,

May I ask you to help me translate a Latin passage from Martino Martini's Novus Atlas Sinensis (1655)? When Martini describes the province of Peking a.k.a North Zhili, he comments on local cats:

Feles in hac Provincia sunt omnino albæ, longioribus pilis protensisque auriculis, qui canum Melitensium habentur loco, matronarumque sunt deliciæ : at mures minime capiunt, forte quia delicate nimis à dominis suis enutritæ, haud tamen desunt etiam aliæ murium egregiæ venatrices, licet minus laute habitæ, eoque forte meliores.

Martini's Atlas being the main source for the geography and natural history of China for the remainder of the 17th century, the above paragraph apparently was the source for two separate, slightly divergent, passages in an "Englished" compilation published by John Ogilby in London in 1673:

• page 233:

In the province of Peking there are some Cats with very long hair, as white as Milk, and having long Ears like a Spaniel: the Gentlewomen keep them for their Pleasure; for they will not hunt after, or catch Mice, the reason perhaps being for that they are too high fed: Yes they have store of other Cats which are good Mousers.

• page 98

In this Province are white rough cats, not unlike the Malteeza Dogs, with long Ears, which are there the Ladies Fosting-hounds or Play-fellows; they will catch no Mice, being too much made of: There are other Cats that are good Mousers, but they are very scarce, and had in great esteem.

So I am curious as to what the original Latin actually say. My best guess at this point - based on the two derivative passages and a dictionary - is something like this:

In this province there are completely white cats, with longer hair [than a typical cat] and long ears, who take the place of Maltese dogs as ladies' pets. They catch few mice, but are fed by their owners with the best delicacies. But [this province] by no means lacks other [cats] that are good mousers; fewer of those are sold, and they fetch a better price.

I am particularly curioius about protensisque [auriculis] - I am guessing this is a derived form of protendere (stretch, etc.), something like "with stretched [ears]", literally; but I don't really know Latin.

Thanks for any help! -- Vmenkov (talk) 22:28, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

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