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Question from Emma knows it well (13:29, 25 June 2023)

Hi, thank you heaps for your guidance. I've been editing some profiles over the weekend (mostly updating information for people that I know through my professional and hobby (chess) activities). I noted that profiles for some fairly well known Data Scientists and chess players are missing. Whom do I ask/suggesst to make a profile for them? Is it ok if I write up a profile and upload for those who currently do not have a profile? Thank you heaps for your guidance. Emma --Emma knows it well (talk) 13:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Emma knows it well, and welcome!
The short/incomplete answer to your first question is that you don't have to ask anyone else specifically to create an article. On Wikipedia, such profiles are called articles. Creating an encyclopedia article is very difficult on Wikipedia, especially for newcomers, because there are a lot of policies that have to be followed. Wikipedia articles:
  • have to be about notable subjects (subjects that have received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources)
  • have to be verifiable (the information in the article should be traceable to its sources)
  • should be written in a neutral point of view (neither try to look the subject look good nor bad, but simply report facts as indicated by the sources)
Because there's a lot that goes into creating an article, it's recommended newcomers start with other contributions and get a better handle on how the encyclopedia works prior to creating one (you can find some editing suggestions on your homepage). If you still would like to create an article, you should keep the three policies I linked you to earlier (notability, verifiability, and neutrality/neutral point of view) in mind and read this page, which guides you through creating a draft article.
To go back and further answer your first question, a good resource for asking about new articles can be the talk pages of WikiProjects. Wikiprojects are project pages for groups of Wikipedians who share similar interests and discuss them there; they can give you much better advice on specific person notability than I can. The talk page is the discussion page for such a group. Some of them are more active than others, and some are more specialized than others, so you may have varying luck with questions. It looks like the Chess WikiProject is pretty active; you can find the talk page for that here. I wasn't sure what would be the best page for your other interest, but you can look up any WikiProject from this page. One more note about asking on those talk pages: many of the people there can be pretty experienced in that editing area and tend to think others might be too, so if you specify at the beginning that you're a newcomer you may get more helpful/detailed replies. And of course feel free to ask me any further questions you might have! I know this can feel like a lot, but I'm happy to help with any questions you have. Happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 04:04, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
This guidance and knowledge is great. Especially for newcomers like myself it allows us to learn, and understand how to use the correct language for a neutral and reputable view point.
I have a question regarding the Savile Row page. As this is my industry and know quite a few Master tailors from The Row for the last 18 years content in which I thought was reputable from sources such as BBC, Daily Mail and Guardian have been deleted from another contributor. They have classed it as promotional material. However researching on other pages I can see links to reputable media companies supporting content within the article. Whats the best way around this. Do you have any suggestions on what is as they class as "soapboxing" vs informative content? Rose-Alicia (talk) 11:39, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

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Question from Ltomama (02:19, 16 July 2023)

how do i do things --Ltomama (talk) 02:19, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Ltomama! I’ve left a welcome message with some informational links on your talk page. Did you have a more specific question? Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 02:52, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from MichelleNW (18:06, 17 July 2023)

Hello! I would like to contribute to Wikipedia with a new entry for Tyl by Natwest. Tyl is a franchise of NatWest and offer payment processing and card payment solutions. The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NatWest page mentions Tyl by NatWest. Additionally, Tyl has just partnered with Apple to launch Tap to Pay on iPhone in the UK: https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2023/07/apple-introduces-tap-to-pay-on-iphone-in-the-uk/. I feel like Tyl is a strong enough business to have its own business page by now - thank you! --MichelleNW (talk) 18:06, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi, MichelleNW! Your username sounds connected to NatWest – are you affiliated with the company?
Subjects of articles have to be notable (by Wikipedia's definition) to be included in the encyclopedia. Any article's subject should pass this guideline. I skimmed the apple.com article and it seems to mention the franchise in passing. Unless you have several more reliable sources with more coverage, I'd recommend expanding the section including Tyl in the NatWest article for now. Let me know if you have any more questions, and happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 05:11, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from Rose-Alicia (11:42, 18 July 2023)

Hello, hope your having a wonderful day. I have made some edits over the last few weeks and just want to make sure I am on the right track and I havent violated any Wikipedia Rules.

I am not sure if from your side you are able to see the edits? --Rose-Alicia (talk) 11:42, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Rose-Alicia! Sorry for the late response, it's been a busy summer. I'm going to reply to both your comments here to make it easier to follow conversation.
The source one first: I don't think the problem was with your sources necessarily – the BBC and the Guardian are considered generally reliable in their fields (which is, as many things on Wikipedia, something that needs to be evaluated in every case still and not assumed to be okay – it just gives a general guideline). I think the concern was more about sections adhering to the policy about how aspects of an article should be covered. The goal is not to spend too much time on smaller parts of articles that are not as related to the direct subject matter.
One other comment for you: on Sanditon (TV_series) one of your edits apparently messed with the references a bit, so another editor tried to change it back and I think there was a bit of back-and-forth there. Often editors, especially those who've been here longer, will explain their edits in an edit summary so that other editors don't have to guess at their purpose in it. In this case, the editor later mentioned it on your talk page – you can respond there and collaborate with the other editor on working on that page.
Hope this helps answer your questions, and let me know if you have any more! Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 05:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from Gabbe-ame (13:23, 26 July 2023)

Hi! I need help how do I put colour in the Tables? --Gabbe-ame (talk) 13:23, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Gabbe-ame, and welcome! This help page describes how to add colors (don't forget to keep the color usage guidelines in mind). Let me know if you have any more questions, and happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 05:04, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from Chilicave (01:34, 1 August 2023)

Hi again! I was editing on the Shaligram page and found a section that I felt conflicted with WP:Undue. I did start a discussion on how to tackle this and a fellow user suggested that a "daughter list" article could be created. How do I do that?

Btw, here is a diff link to my convo in case you need more reference https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AShaligram&diff=1161910908&oldid=1161141886 --Chilicave (talk) 01:34, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi again!
I'm not familiar with any specific policies relating to this – I think you can just create a new article with the name you want and copy the information over (make sure to attribute properly, of course).
Great to see you again! Hope this helps, and happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 02:44, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

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Question from Phuochuu1997 (02:51, 7 August 2023)

Hi, I've added a new article. May I know how could I improve it? --Phuochuu1997 (talk) 02:51, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Phuochuu1997, if you provide more information about what you created an article about I might be able to help more. It looks like there were concerns it was similar to advertising? You can reply by hitting [reply] next to my response. Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 05:24, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I just made a recent edit, and you reverted it, sending a message to me that it was "less neutral". Is there a reason why this is the case? I am assuming it's because I used the term, "military aggression". If that is the case, I can remove that portion. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:248:300:FE00:39D0:3A56:A071:61 (talk) 04:54, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi, IP user! Yes, the term "military aggression" is not very neutral unless sourced to reliable sources. It's not a very egregious wording given the history there, but still technically not quite worded as it should be without a source. The rest of it looked fine, though. Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia!
Also, a couple tips: a) you can to sign posts on talk pages with four tildes (~~~~), which makes it easier to reply. Also shameless plug incoming, you can create an account to more easily edit and keep track of conversations with people, as well as other stuff explained on the account page. It's free, fast, and requires nothing more than a username and password (you can add an email if you like for password retrieval). Happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 05:02, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

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Already? Again?? Time sure does fly. Thanks, it's much appreciated! Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 02:02, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks

Hi Perfect4th, thanks or the compliments for my contribution to the Miroslav Klose page. Unfortunately, FMSky reverted it along with the 67 pages were I added this here as "unneeded opinion". Two hours work deleted within minutes. I won't get into a war to get it added back but feel free to do that if you wish, regards. 90.241.92.227 (talk) 10:50, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

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