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Oh please, in what way would the use of template:convert "modify" the syntax? Peter Horn User talk 14:05, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Which specifically were the 2 "{}"s? I can't find them. Peter Horn User talk 14:16, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

An update in 1991 saw new ratings of {{convert|330|bhp|kW|abbr=on}}, 360|bhp|kW|abbr=on}} & {{convert|400|bhp|kW|abbr=on}}. a {{convert|430|bhp|kW|abbr=on}} variant, along with low deck tractor unit models and interior changes were introduced in 1992.

For the 360 bhp, you forgot the {{convert|. Fixed. Huon (talk) 15:44, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

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June 2013

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I absolutely fail to see why a link to a small or minor dolly manufacturer, such as I.T.E.C. Inc, is less appropriate than a link to a multinational train manufacturer as in the case of Bombardier Transportation i.e. Bombardier, I perceive inconsistency here. Peter Horn User talk 02:39, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

An article like a List of bicycle brands and manufacturing companies makes your argument absurditatum absurditas. In the light of such a list I fail to see why a link to a dolly manufacturer could and should be called "spam". Peter Horn User talk 14:29, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

• Please read WP:EL. This isn't a bad EL because it's commercial, it's a bad EL because it fails WP:EL, "neutral and accurate material that is relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject". It's a link to a trailer vendor. Some trailer vendors could well have sites that explain useful content: rules for trailer weights and braking, diagrams of how the suspension or drawgear work, electrical connection pinouts, that sort of thing. The links you've been adding have none of this. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:58, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

The following paragraph within the link appears to indicate that I.T.E.C. itself actually manufactures the dollies (quote) Dollies, Couplers & Eyes
Unlike most conventional dollies, I.T.E.C.'s single-pivot, double drawbar design allows drivers to back up double trailers, without disconnecting, for faster, more efficient loading and unloading, easier parking and maneuvering in tight quarters. Drawbar Eyes I.T.E.C. Eye's Meet or exceeds all Transport Canada requirements. I.T.E.C. Have been designed for the I.T.E.C. C-Dolly applications. Each eye features "Induction hardening" for long life and durability. I.T.E.C. 600d Dolly Hitch internal components have been engineered to the highest standards you have come to expect from I.T.E.C. Dollies, Couplers & Eyes (unquote).
Whatever the case my be I have so far been unable to find a manufacturer of dollies on Google. Peter Horn User talk 15:36, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

May be this is useful. Peter Horn User talk 15:51, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Specifications are here and Convertidor tipo "H" (dolly) is mentioned on this government of Mexico web site. Peter Horn User talk 16:57, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Look at this video and Falcon gives specs, click on "Specifications" Peter Horn User talk 17:12, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

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 Done in a subsequent revision. Peter Horn User talk 13:23, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

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"See also" redlinks

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I'll get to that. Peter Horn User talk 17:53, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

 Done Peter Horn User talk 19:15, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

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Convert/spell

I was wondering about {{convert/spell}} and so looked for how it is used. There is one case where "unit=1" is in the template (at TAZARA Railway), and it seems to have no effect. When I checked, it appears you introduced the convert templates (thanks!), but there may be an error in this diff. That changed "one and a half miles long" to just half a mile. Entering 1/2 gives a half, whereas 1+1/2 is needed for one and a half. However, that spells as "one point five miles" which may not be desirable. I'm not sure how best to fix the template, but I thought I should let you know that the edit introduced an error (1.5 miles is now 0.5 miles), and I'm hoping you will restore the original text. In the article, just before that convert, I see there is some wording which looks very dubious: "Irangi Number Tunnel tunnel", but some quick searching did not resolve what it should be. Actually the wording of that paragraph is too flowery; it is possibly a copyvio from the reference. If you feel inclined, you might like to reword it. (I'm suggesting the original author of that paragraph may have used too much of the text from the book, and it would be helpful if you would fix it.) Johnuniq (talk) 10:34, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't know how to fix that template and at any rate it is fully protected. Go to template:convert, open up the talk page of that template and put your request under a New section. I will correct the edit error in the article. Peter Horn User talk 12:42, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm about to post that request myself. Peter Horn User talk 13:22, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

OK, see Template talk:Convert#Present or current output of convert/spell not elegant if not undesirable Peter Horn User talk 13:37, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

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Sweeping changes

Please take the time to read the talk page before making sweeping changes to the Golden-crowned sifaka article 135.19.148.107 (talk) 21:54, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

The consistent application of template:convertdoes not constitute sweeping changes! The application of the metric symbols was a real "dog's breakfast" e. g. 3.5kg instead of 3.5 kg, etc. I did read the article carefully. And, please, don't hide anonymously behind a number but get a real account. Peter Horn User talk 22:29, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Louis Cyr

I understand what you are conveying about the US/imperial system being used during Cyr's lifetime, but I think that is irrelevant. What if the units used back then where so antiquated that nobody understood them? (which is not that far from the truth heh heh) would we still be using those units? Besides, WP:UNIT is very clear on that "All other articles: the main unit is generally an SI unit". I have seeked out a third opinion on that matter. Best regards. PlanCartesien (talk) 22:56, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Not withstanding what WP:UNIT says, the primary sources of Louis Cyr are in the "traditional" units. Like so many articles about North American topics, the sources give traditional units and the articles reflect that. So regardless of what WP:UNIT says, the traditional units come first and the conversions follow in brackets, or "disp=or", follows. Example Union Pacific Railroad. There is no bloody way that in that article, and others like it, one is going to put metric, or SI, first. All the original facts in that article and others, are in terms of United States customary units. Ditto for Ben Weider. The reverse is also true, see Talk:Golden-crowned sifaka#Units. So don't try to metricate that which is not metric. Personally I hate and detest the United States customary units and others like it, but history is history. That is why we have template:convert. Let's see what comes from WP third opinion. Peter Horn User talk 23:42, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Again, I understand your point of view. But what's the point of having rules and guidelines like WP:UNIT if we're not going to apply them? Like you say, Let's see what comes from WP third opinion. PlanCartesien (talk) 11:29, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

In the case of North American and old British rail topics the rules have NEVER been applied and Never will be. That particularly applies to article about old American, Australian and British etc steam locomotives but also to any pre metrication rolling stock. To apply the SI first in any and all of those cases would destroy their original authenticity. There may be rules but the sensible thing is not to apply them where they would destroy the original authenticity. And remember there are herds or American Wiki readers (dinosaurs) who don't have a clue about the metric system, much less about SI and even hate it . In addition there are American Wiki editors (dinosaurs) who are ANTI metric! Peter Horn User talk 14:48, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Louis Cyr isn't a rail topic. As for dinosaurs, it's their problem if they don't want to evolve and I don't see why we should make any effort in accomodating them. PlanCartesien (talk) 15:39, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

It's not a question of "evolving" (correction: "adapting"), but a matter of everyday experience. Not everyone is an academic, and if the world around them is communicated in imperial units, then that is how they will think. I'm a great example: I love metric! ... But I can't think in it, so the conversions are very helpful for me. I'm better at liters than any other metric unit because of carbonated beverages (sold in 2-liters), but I also think pretty well in gallons (no thanks to my milk consumption). I have a grasp of centimeters that is nearly as strong as my grasp of inches, but it doesn't scale up as well to kilometers... even though it should. (The difference is too large.) I live in a world of miles and mph, and although I know the conversion, I just can't think in km. Unfortunately, I don't see the American institution changing, mostly because of cost. The U.S. and state governments aren't going to pay to change all their road signage just to convert to metric, pissing off the public (and especially the Tea Party) in the process. Commerce is where things are likely to change, since simplified conversions and scaling can save time (and time = money). Change the way things are packaged, and you change the way people tangibly interact with the world—and that will start changing how people think. – Maky ^« talk » 19:04, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

"I don't see why we should make any effort in accommodating them" are likely fighting words to most of the American Wikipedians" Louis Cyr is part of past history as are many topics, technical or otherwise, and the measurements should reflect that fact. Even contemporary topics such as threaded pipe, British Standard Pipe and National pipe thread need to be imperial first. It is only common courtesy to accommodate the dinosaurs and courtesy goes both ways. That is why the English Wikipedia has developed template:convert and template:RailGauge to the nth degree. Older British Wikipedians tend to give data in imperial terms and don't bother with conversions. I have ofter supplied the conversions after the fact. Peter Horn User talk 17:28, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Srew this. I don't have time for this kind of garbage. Maybe one day when rules and guidelines mean something. It's been nice chatting with you. Good luck. PlanCartesien (talk) 18:06, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh. And thanks for chasing me off of Wikipedia by calling me "rabid" and suggesting that I be "banned to the French Wiki". I'm sure the "community" appreciates that. Bang up job at showing "courtesy", by the way. PlanCartesien (talk) 18:14, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry you're leaving. Peter's suggestion of having you banned could only happen if you became disruptive through edit warring or vandalism. Sadly, this interaction has been a typical conflict on Wikipedia... and seemingly the world (though Amercians get most of the blame). People are becoming intolerant of the views and interpretations of others, and if someone can't convert their opponent to their way of thinking in a few sentences, then things go nuclear. It's like they say: "Opinions are like assholes. Everyone's got one, but no one wants to see the other guy's." Sorry to say it, but welcome to Wikipedia as well as real life in the 21st century.

In this specific case, there were two problems. First, Peter was trying to make a case largely based on his experience and opinion, and did little work to tie it in strongly with the guideline you were working from. Everyone also failed to point out that you were citing a guideline, not a rule. There's a difference. Secondly, once your third opinion stepped in and pointed out another interpretation of the guideline—making the case that the article was US-centric, and therefore followed the guideline you were referring to—you simply threw your hands up and wrote: "That's just stupid. What's the point of having rules and guidelines like WP:UNIT if we're not going to apply them?" He was applying the guideline, and you should have taken a second look and adjusted either your opinion or your argument accordingly. I don't know if you'll come back to read this, but if you do, I encourage you to stay on Wikipedia. But please learn to be civil (WP:CIVIL) and open-minded. – Maky ^« talk » 19:04, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

It looks as if you'll not be back. You have cleared our blanked out your talk page. Nevertheless mea culpa PlanCartesien, even though I'm inclined to suspect that you were the author of the post above, and that afterwards you got yourself an account. My suggestion that you be banned from the English Wikipedia was a tad drastic. Nevertheless your zeal and energy would be well spent if you were to after some hardware/lumber merchants here in Quebec who post a sign like "Ici on measure qu'en imperial" or words to that effect in French, meaning that if you ask the manager to measure the length and width of a piece of wood in cm, he'll (unlawfully?) refuse to do so. If You leave the English Wiki I might look you up on the French Wiki. Salut mon ami. Peter Horn User talk 19:55, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

For everybody's info, PlanCartesien did not stay around long enough to read the additional comments. His user page says "gone" and "This page was last modified on 2013-07-02 at 18:08:21." PlanCartesien does not appear to have a user's page on the French Wiki. Peter Horn User talk 21:20, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

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A question

Hello Mr. Peter Horn.

If it wouldn't be too much trouble, I would like to talk to about the braking systems on trains. I have read your posts on Wiki as well as whatever else I could find online. Nevertheless, I can not seem to find the information that I need.

I would like to talk to you about an invention that has been designed for a related industry and that I would like to extend to the train transport industry. If sucessfully adapted it could potentially reduce the risk of runaway trains.

If you are interested in allowing me a few minutes of your time, please contact me at anabco at hotmaiI dot com (with the necessary corrections to the address given).

I believe that I have located your phone number but I would rather that I have your permission to call.

Lastly, i ask that you delete this post after reading it.

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Anab

I will try to contact you by your Email or you can contact me at peter.j.c.horn@gmail.com. As for my phone number. If it is nor area code 450, it is wrong. Peter Horn User talk 16:15, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

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List of Disneyland railroads

• Disneyland Railroad
• Disneyland Railroad (Paris)
• Disneyland Viewliner

• Walt Disney World Railroad
• Western River Railroad
• Wildlife Express Train

See also

• Carolwood Pacific Railroad
• Disneyland Monorail System
• Mine train roller coaster
• Walt Disney World Monorail System

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Thanks a million. Peter Horn User talk 04:42, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Sydney steam tram or Sydney Steam Tram

Hi Peter,

So sorry that I haven't replied earlier, I only just noticed this on my talk page. I've had a bit of a look around and am not quite to sure. I think that both Minimum railway curve radius#List of minimum curve radii and Balloon loop#Tramways refer to the Sydney tram system, while Captains Flat railway line#Construction and Upper Nepean Scheme#Nepean Dam refer to former Sydney steam trams being used as locos. For the time being I've created Steam trams in Sydney which redirects to Trams in Sydney. I hope this satisfies what you've asked of me. Liamdavies (talk) 12:50, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

I had to refine the redirect as Trams in Sydney#Early tramways. Peter Horn User talk 01:53, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Sydney Steam Tram should link to Captains Flat railway line, Trams in Sydney#Early tramways is irrelevant to that article. Peter Horn User talk 12:26, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Hey there, I didn't link it to 'Early Tramways' as there are references to steam tram line through out the article. What is needed (but I don't know enough about at the moment) is a dedicated steam tram in Sydney article. I'm not to sure that 'Sydney Steam Tram' should link to 'Captains Flat railway line', the line is over 300km from Sydney, the only link is that it appears Sydney steam tram(s) were used as loco(s) there. If you look at the picture the boiler is hidden behind cladding that disguises it as a passenger tram, this was quite common amongst Australian steam trams. Liamdavies (talk) 12:46, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

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List of cycling topics

I posted this on the article talk page, but perhaps you haven't seen it there. It is an interesting list, but what it the inclusion criteria, and how is it different from the two outlines that already exist, other than it is alphabetical instead of grouped by topic? More pointedly, I guess, how is this not just a content fork? -AndrewDressel (talk) 12:35, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

It would help if you would give me the names as well as the links to those two lists, because I was not really aware of their existence. Any way the articles in the List of cycling topics could be grouped in sections by topics. See also Talk:List of cycling topics#List of cycling topics. Peter Horn User talk 14:40, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Let's continue the discussion on Talk:List_of_cycling_topics. I had only posted here when you didn't reply to my questions there. -AndrewDressel (talk) 15:00, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Will be done. Peter Horn User talk 19:27, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

About rail gauges

Hi Peter Horn,

You have been very active in the {{RailGauge}} history, where I met you. These days, that template is still in development (made into Lua for speed). I'd like to hear your comments, esp on these special size gauges (you pointed out so often). My current wiki-occupation is to source the gauges (for example: the scaled gauges!). Your contributions are appreciated. -DePiep (talk) 22:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

What I did was to make a request on Template talk:RailGauge as I came across (found) the oddball rail gauges in different articles. Peter Horn User talk 23:10, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

OK, I get it. -DePiep (talk) 17:48, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Who knows whether or not I've found them all. The best we can do is to be on the lookout when we open railway articles. Peter Horn User talk 17:58, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes. I've changed the template so that unknown gauges, when entered, do not produce a red error but get listed in a category. About a dozen popped up this way -- caught. -DePiep (talk) 18:11, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

These track gauges would eventually need to be parsed properly. I hope that you kept track of the articles where you found them so that, by means of a link, You can find them again. Peter Horn User talk 20:54, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that is what I am adding (to the RG documentation page): sources, wiki articles. So far, I mostly researched the scale models (and Iberian gauge is a middling, did you know?). And still those under 2in are note completely sourced, no wikipage found. I have entered a wonderful world.

From the other angle, I'd like to know on which page any RG is used (like a wikipedia category). There might have been unused or dubious gauges in the template list. These should be deleted, but only after proof of nonsense/not sourced.

Now for fun: in the Dutch Decauville museum they claim to have a 350mm: "In de collectie bevinden zich voertuigen met 350, 400, 500, 550, 600, 620, 700, 750, 900, 1000 en 1200 mm spoorwijdte". So that is a sourced RailGauge we will add. -DePiep (talk) 22:29, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

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Ticket hall

What's the point of linking ticket hall to a non existent article, in so many articles? In most cases it's just a common phrase, not worthy of linking anyway. Sw2nd (talk)

Ticket hall was originally linked to some stations of the Montreal Metro eventually some one could write a short article similar to such an insignificant article as waiting room and others like it. Peter Horn User talk 00:29, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking#What generally should not be linked "everyday words understood by most readers in context", for the point I am making here. Sw2nd (talk) 00:37, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Ditto for waiting room. Peter Horn User talk 00:40, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

And turnstyles. Peter Horn User talk 00:42, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm not so sure about ticket halls being just WP:DICDEF. Many of them are interesting buildings in their own right – although whether a general article about them collectively would be, I am not sure. Si Trew (talk) 10:41, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

TB: That_was_cute_conversion

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Peter,

Thanks for your help fixing my mistakes at Voie_ferrée_d'intérêt_local.

By the way I try to think of a natural English title instead of V.F.I.L, but nothing seemed right; so I kept it in the French, and linked VFIL and so on, "Local Interest Railways" is not very good, "Local Authority Railways" perhaps a little better, but neither would make sense to an English audience ("interest" is the problem word), and I think even less to an English speaking audience from outside the UK.)

I recall now User:Mjroots and asking his advice for conversions on small railways in France, into miles and chains etc for British/US audience i.e. most English speaking readers. At that time they were not in {{convert}} and I tried to make subtemplates that would add a couple, and (which is why the folks at Convert are so good) you find always a kilo is not a kilo, a mile is not a mile, etc, so we ended up saying stet., have them only in the original units.

But Mjroots is a good user to go to for this kind of thing, which is why i bother you to say so. And speaks Dutch too!

Si Trew (talk) 21:35, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

*ears burning* {{convert}} can now handle conversion of km --> miles and chains and vice versa. Any questions, please ask! Mjroots (talk) 21:41, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

BTW The French Wikipedia allows sentimentality that is not present n English WP. It is always sadly this, happily that, which would not be allowed in English WP. So half the battle in translation is cutting it down to the facts after all the tears and applause. English WP is rather Orwellian in that way, but it was a Frenchman who wrote "I have only made it longer because I hadn't time to make it shorter." Si Trew (talk) 21:45, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

"Local concern" might do. Here I'll try {{convert|10|km|mi chain}} 10 kilometres (6.2 mi; 500 chains) and {{convert/dual|10|km|mi|chain}}</nowiki> {{convert/dual|10|km|mi|chain}} {{convert/dual|10|km|mi|chain}} {{convert/dual|10|km|mi|chain}} as an exercise. The first one does not yet work and the second one does. If at any time you need a new conversion, post a request on the talk page of {{convert}} under a new header along with a link to the article where it is needed. That is which I have done always. Ditto for {{RailGauge}}. Peter Horn User talk 23:45, 19 September 2013 (UTC) Peter Horn User talk 00:13, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

BTW {{convert/dual|10|km|mi|chain|1}} {{convert/dual|10|km|mi|chain|1}} is somewhat more accurate. Peter Horn User talk 00:34, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Different combinations {{convert/dual|6.2|mi|km|chain|1}} {{convert/dual|6.2|mi|km|chain|1}} and {{convert/dual|497|chain|km|mi|1}} {{convert/dual|497|chain|km|mi|1}} and as well {{convert/dual|496|chain|km|mi|1}} {{convert/dual|496|chain|km|mi|1}}. There is a 1.1 chain discrepancy. Peter Horn User talk 15:06, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

I may have been wrong earlier, the conversion template can certainly handle mi chain --> km, but it apparently can't do the reverse. Mjroots (talk) 19:16, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh yes it can do the reverse, here it is again: {{convert/dual|496|chain|km|mi|1}} {{convert/dual|496|chain|km|mi|1}}. Peter Horn User talk 21:04, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

{{convert/dual|500|m|ft|chain|0}} {{convert/dual|500|m|ft|chain|0}} {{convert/dual|25|chain|m|ft}} {{convert/dual|25|chain|m|ft}} {{convert/dual|25|chain|m|ft|0}} {{convert/dual|25|chain|m|ft|0}} {{convert/dual|1640|ft|chain|m|0}} {{convert/dual|1640|ft|chain|m|0}} There is a snag somewhere. Peter Horn User talk 02:48, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

"Local Concern" means nothing in British English, and I don't think so in American English. What is meant, is that it is the responsibility of the local (regional...) government, and not that of the state (national) government. Devolved powers is probably nearer, but I as I say, it is not an easy thing to translate, which is why I kept it in the original.

For a couple of weeks I have been gearing up to tackle your French viaduct architect, and I will start in a bit, intending to translate the whole page and put it in my user space as a first revision, so that you can correct it before we merge it into the EN article. If that's OK with you? Si Trew (talk) 14:20, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

No, no, not an architect... Peter Horn User talk 23:16, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

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I had a go at this but unfortunately real life interrupted when some hulye scraped the whole side of my car and didn't leave a note to say so. So I have been following that up most of the evening.

It's probably best to revert the article to where it was before I started (I tried doing that but nothing works for me right at the moment), but I just wanted to let you know it is mostly a genealogy article about the family with a tedious amount of boring dates etc. and has nothing to say about the bridge. The bridge is a very minor one in say the Elizabeth Way Bridge in Cambridge is (not going to bother to link that, you can do it), it's a bridge and it has someone's name on it. Really it is not notable at all, and certainly not from the railway perspective. It's in FR:WP because Canadian French tend to like to say how good Canadian French people are, and nobody dare disagree. I can make that judgment because I partnered one for seven years, and I also got a GA for a Canadian French article I translated, if anyone thinks that I am somehow antiliterate or whatever.

So I will translate the rest when I have time, but to be honest, I don't think it's worth doing, for N and RS and such. It's just genealogy.

S.

Methinks its OK. Peter Horn User talk 16:44, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Most, if not all, of the translation has been done already by User:Prairieplant so you might like to examine the translation for possible errors, if any. With the exception of the expression "cleaner of...", I have no quarrel with the translation. Peter Horn User talk 14:05, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the help on the job title, Peter Horn. Any other help is appreciated. Though it is just genealogy to S., I think the first settlers of New France are makers of history, even when they could not write. The contrast of the settling of New England or New Spain to that of New France is better understood when the New France story includes some of the real people.

Another matter, at what point will the English version be good enough to take the French out? I was unwilling to delete the French text until several people had reviewed the translation so nothing was erroneous, and then perhaps to improve the phrases in English a bit. --Prairieplant (talk) 15:24, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Except perhaps of ""cleaner (of ditches in swamps) Literal translation tr. note: sewer? general cleaner? "les canaux du marais" canal is very difficult to tr. shit shoveller would be perhaps the nearest in modern Eng."" I would say that the translation is, in my opinion, good enough. But one could put a review request on Talk:Olivier Charbonneau Peter Horn User talk 15:59, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

I just realized that (ditches of the swamp) is more like it. 16:14, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

So there it is: Talk:Olivier Charbonneau#Request for a review of the translation Peter Horn User talk 16:37, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! --Prairieplant (talk) 20:45, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Well, I finally got around to tidying it up a bit, only took me six months... Si Trew (talk) 12:25, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks 187.198.112.174 (talk) 14:29, 4 March 2014 (UTC) Peter Horn User talk 14:34, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

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Already corrected. Peter Horn User talk 02:02, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

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What closed in 1942?

At Panay Railways you commented "" ca. 1980? closed in 1942". What are you referring to as closing in 1942? The railway didn't close until the late 80s. Are you referring to the station? --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 00:21, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Ah, I got misled by the infobox. Look at the infobox and make the correction if you have not already done so. Peter Horn User talk 00:28, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

I had a second look. It was the Cebu line that supposedly closed in 1942, at least according to its own infobox. Peter Horn User talk 00:36, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Japanese bombs destroyed it. Peter Horn User talk 00:43, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Understandable. Maybe the gallery needs to be edited to make it more clear.--Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 00:48, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done Peter Horn User talk 01:39, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Peter, Sorry I read too quickly your responses and now that I have read them more closely I see where the confusion lies. This one article on the now-Panay Railways which contains information to two separate rail lines -- a rail line on Panay, which ran until the 1980s, and the one on Cebu, which was never rebuilt after WW2. There are two info boxes, one on each rail line. But all the photos are of the Panay rail line. I haven't been able to find any photos of the Cebu line. I will correct the info on the article. --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 16:36, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Attention, the photos of those wrecked bridges may be photos of the bombed out bridges of the Cebuline? Peter Horn User talk 16:50, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

The bridge, in Passi City, Iloilo, was probably stripped after the train stopped working. Other bridges were removed as the first phase of plan to rebuild the track. The subsequent phases were not carried out. That bridge remained because of its history during WW2. Filipino resistance fighters were hung from the bridge by the Japanese. See http://francisallanangelo.blogspot.com/2005/10/panay-railway-rehab-next-year.html which says "Lipardo said the Passi City Bridge has historical value as it was the execution site of Ilonggo guerillas during World War 2. “It will be reinforced so the new railway system can still pass through it.”" I would love to get photos of the Cebu line, including damage, but I haven't been able to find any that are clearly in the public domain. --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 13:44, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

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--115.250.209.247 (talk) 06:47, 12 June 2014 (UTC)why is africaBold text--115.250.209.247 (talk) 06:47, 12 June 2014 (UTC)w

Where, where, o where??? Peter Horn User talk 10:48, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

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Move proposal: template {RailGauge} into {Track gauge}

I initiated this move proposal in Template talk:RailGauge#Requested move. Please take a look and join if you are interested.

And best wishes for you, Peter. -DePiep (talk) 23:32, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Sounds logical.
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Hello. Can you please not make redirects from pages such as Creusot-Loire to articles about minor subsidiaries which contain no useful content about the topic. It would be better to leave a red link.

Someone looking for information about "Creusot Loire" , once France's largest privately owned engineering conglomerate [1] is not likely going to find the article on a lifting platform manufacturer Haulotte Group useful. It's a misleading link.Prof.Haddock (talk) 08:00, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Really? This redirect was corrected a little over two years ago. So why bring it up now? The remarks are moot now. Peter Horn User talk 16:40, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

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Nothing appears to have happened. Peter Horn User talk 01:18, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Peter Horn, there was one extra } in the infobox locomotive locotender weight line. I fixed it, that is, removed the unneeded bracket, which showed in the box on the actual page, not just the edit page. --Prairieplant (talk) 07:39, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

That explains why I could not find that extra bracket, you beat me to it. Peter Horn User talk 12:02, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

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All  Done Peter Horn User talk 19:58, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

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Had been  Done already. Peter Horn User talk 19:59, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

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I wanted to draw your attention to the Manual of Style. We do not place links to articles which don't exist in see also sections. - Shiftchange (talk) 07:20, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, but if you happen to be familiar with Gin Gin Cooperative Mill, you might be able to start a "stub". Two articles are linked to this red link. Peter Horn User talk 17:33, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

I understand where you are coming from. I once shared a similar view, that if I place redlinks it will encourage others to create them. Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. I just created about 8 national parks from this list of requested article related to Queensland. In the process I found at least another 5 national parks which should have articles. I have put creating them on hold as I focus on creating a few articles for places in the Scenic Rim Region, where I plan to visit and take photos. To my dismay that list of requested articles is only a small portion of Queensland-related redlinks and an article on it gets randomly created only a few times per year. I am not familiar with the sugar industry and haven't created a mill article in the past. My advice would be for you to start work on it offline or on a sandbox page such as User:Peter Horn/Gin Gin Cooperative Mill and build it up slowly. - Shiftchange (talk) 00:04, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

The problem for me is that I don't live in Australia, much less in Queensland. I would have to go on Google and see what I can find. Peter Horn User talk 01:49, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

All I found so far is Cooperative mill which mention the mill very briefly. Peter Horn User talk 02:09, 3 September 2014 (UTC)