User talk:Preet Sanghar

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G. K. Sanghar

As Sanghar's manager, you have from Wikipedia's point of view a WP:Conflict of interest. You must understand that many people try to use Wikipedia for advertising and promotion, and for that reason we are extremely suspicious of anyone with a COI. However, if you are careful, you can avoid problems. Read WP:Best practices for editors with conflicts of interest.

I changed the title to "G. K. Sanghar" because that is Wikipedia's "house style" for article titles. There is still a "redirect" from GK Sanghar, so that anyone clicking on that will be taken to the article. If she was invariably known as "GK" it might be possible to make an exception, but that does not seem to be the case - her own website has "G. K."

Your edits have improved the page and made it less subjective. Good. Wikipedia doesn't have any system by which I can give the article a "free pass" - any user can challenge it at any time. Also, any user can edit it - an important difference between Wikipedia and sites like Myspace is that no-one "owns" a Wikipedia article, not its first author and certainly not its subject - see WP:Ownership of articles. You should not think of it as "your" article - now that you have submitted it, it is Wikipedia's article. Others can and will edit it.

The important improvement it needs is to the references. References serve two purposes:

• to verify what the article says - the WP:Verifiability policy requires that "any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source",
• to establish WP:Notability, a requirement to have a Wikipedia article, which is not a matter of opinion but has to be demonstrated by showing "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Significant means more than just listing-type mentions; reliable excludes Myspace, Facebook, blogs, places where anyone can post anything; independent excludes the subject's own website, affiliated ones and anything based on press releases. The test is, have people independent of the subject thought her significant enough to write substantial comment about?

Of the references in your article, #1 and #2 are articles by her, but as far as I can see #3, 4 and 5 do not mention her at all, and #6 is a "page not found" deadlink. If, for example, the article's claim is that she has hosted "Pure Allure", a link to that show's website which does not mention her is useless as a reference. What is needed is references which are actually about her - see WP:42.

Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:59, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of G. K. Sanghar

The article G. K. Sanghar has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

There are alot of blogs, but unable to find any reliable references about her. Alot of the article is a copyvio from her webpage, which is a resume page. She appears to be starting out, maybe in a few years she would have done enough

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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Bgwhite (talk) 06:13, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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The Page G.K. Sanghar has been re-edited substantially following your Advice to Prevent Deletion

Hi John,

Firstly, thank you for your considerate feedback. Yes, there was quite a bit to work on and I have made the changes and there are a couple of things I need to clarify too.

After reading your comments and going through the article, I realized how commercial and biased the article had seemed. As a result, I have tried remove whatever advertising or promotional language use.

Secondly, thanks for the re-direct for the matter of the fact that she is at times referred to as GK or Gurpreet Kaur, which make up the initials G.K. Having regarded that, the article on the India Se website cites her name as Gurpreet Sanghar. Please do bear in mind that her articles are featured in publications that are not showcased online as per normal unlike the scanned versions found on fan websites, which are totally inappropriate. Given how exclusive India Se is, readers have to subscribe to the magazine in order to read the full story. That is why, you can only see the the few paragraphs of the story on the website. Most of the time books and films are easily attributed as compared to articles. However, I do have her original articles in pdf. format for verification but I suppose I cannot upload them? Also all of her TV shows are accredited and credible, including 'Pure Allure' and can be found on her website directly under the heading 'Media Gallery.' But how do I reference the individual TV show clips online for verification?

Next, for the music album, 'Illamai Jolly Jolly', I have added more information about the production and the cause of the album, which is essential. This time, I have referenced that bit with the same article once removed as it is now very relevant to the production of the album. GK had hosted the press launch too, which is available on her website, so these are verified pieces of work. However, her shows are only shown on television or cable, and are not available online, except for the 'My First Million' trailer, which is accessible online. Zee TV and MediaCorp are reputable channels and their works are bound to exclusivity and copyright. You will realize this when you Google up Singaporean TV personalities online and their shows are hard to find online....in Singapore, please bear that we only have one media broadcast centre, MediaCorp unlike other countries which have several stations, hence the limited viewing.

I have removed the IWG Fashion Calendar that GK was a part of as there are no pictures available online, except for a fan-created facebook page. The reason being that the calender is currently being sold for 2012. Please do regard that the calendar was launched by India Se's editor and GK was featured in magazine that she wrote for. Then again, I excluded that portion as it may lead to partiality when that it not the case. India Se is proud NRI magazine that caters to reporting on the significant issues concerning South Asian Diasporas around the world and GK was essentially featured.

As far as the 'Living Persons' portion is concerned, how do I authenticate her existence when all credible information is on her website. Her website is not simply a resume portfolio but contains her repertoire of work so far and helps maintain a connection with her fans.

Please do not delete G.K. Sanghar's page as it bears a lot of relevance. GK Sanghar is only one of the few Punjabi TV personalities in Singapore, to have excelled in the media industry and serves as an inspiration to the youth. Just because her work is solely up on her website does not mean that her work is not legitimate and authentic given that station logos and show titles are made obvious. She has only been around 2 years and has covered appropriate publishing to broadcasting at a young age, and she is a familiar face.

Also, I have made amendments to the External Links with better referencing and removed all dead links.

Hope this clears it all up and do propose some advice.

Thanks, Preet Sanghar--Preet 17:49, 12 January 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Preet Sanghar (talk • contribs)

I have moved this here from my talk page - it will be simplest to keep the conversation all in one place. Please reply below here, not on my talk page: I am "watching" this page, so I shall see it, though I may not reply at once because I am quite busy with other things.

I see that you removed the "Proposed deletion" tag, as you were quite entitled to do: but it is likely that the article may now be nominated at WP:Articles for deletion. That will start a debate, lasting normally seven days, at the end of which an uninvolved administrator will decide what to do, basing the decision on the arguments presented in terms of Wikipedia policy, not on a count of heads. If that happens, you should not remove the notice from the top of the article, which would not stop the debate. You are welcome to contribute to the debate, but if you do you should declare your interest, i.e. that you are the subject's manager.

The issue will be WP:Notability, and the problem is lack of independent references. This is crucial: Wikipedia does not itself make value judgements about who is interesting or important: the test we use is, have other people, independent of the subject, thought her important and significant to write substantial comment about? See WP:42. The revised article does not show any evidence of that: there are two references which are articles by her, and two which do not mention her name at all (though maybe that is her face in #4?)

You say "how do I authenticate her existence when all credible information is on her website". I'm sorry, but that just suggests that she is not (yet) notable by Wikipedia's standards.

Regards, JohnCD (talk) 18:32, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi John,

Yes, as her Manager, I will certainly go through the GK's article to ensure quality and accuracy. With regards to her two articles for India Se and the American Chronicle respectively....her name (Gurpreet Sanghar) and (G.K. Sanghar) is referenced at the top to show evidence of 'her' entitlement and that she wrote the articles (see the top of the publications). Also I have checked the dead links and added the proper URL where her shows can be glimpsed at, it is a certified MediaCorp page. Only shows are archived there. Hope this helps.

Thanks John :)

Preet Sanghar (talk)