User talk:Qwghlm/archive7

The Combination

I'm afraid I can't provide a better quote from the book I got the information from. They haven't cited anything other than newspaper reports from the time as where they got their information from. I think the best I can do is to tell you that the quote I put in comes from a chapter/paragraph entitled 1888-89. - PeeJay 22:46, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

The full quote reads as follows:

"1888/89
Towards the end of the 1887/88 season, the papers were full of the story of the suggestion by William McGregor of Aston Villa that twelve leading clubs form themselves into a "league" or "union", to play each other home and away. Twelve clubs meant 22 games in total; it was thought that this was all the "spare" Saturdays that could be fitted into the season, given the demands of the F.A. Cup and local cup competitions (such as the Lancashire and Manchester cups). Six clubs from Lancashire and six from the Midlands made up the original twelve. The Lancashire six were Accrington, Blackburn Rovers, Bolton Wanderers, Burnley, Everton and Preston North End. To give some indication of their strength, Newton Heath's record against these clubs in 1887/88 is shown in the following table:[table removed]
There were strong "economic" reasons for forming a "league" (it took some time to agree to call it the "Football League" and alternative names were proposed.) The guaranteed home fixtures meant that gate receipts were likely to be higher since the games would arguably be more competitive than mere friendlies, thus drawing a bigger gate. Other clubs were not slow to see these benefits, and a meeting in Crewe was attended by many of the clubs not included in the 12. This led to the formation of the "Football Combination".
Until recent years, the Football Combination has been somewhat overlooked by the modern statistician. The trouble was that 20 clubs were included, too many to play a complete set of home and away games. The decision was taken that the clubs should arrange home and away fixtures with eight other clubs, making a 16 game season for each of the clubs. The Football League clubs sent representatives to a meeting of their league in the summer of 1888 at which the fixtures were arranged. The Combination organised no such meeting, leaving it to the individual club secretaries to make arrangements as they saw fit. Unfortunately, this process did not work very well; even contemporary reporters were confused as to whether fixtures were Combination games or just a friendly. The secretary of the Combination circulated a table at the end of October, but sadly this was the only attempt to sort out the mess that had arisen, and the Combination was wound up in April 1889. From Newton Heath's viewpoint, that was a pity. They had almost completed their programme of 16 games, and had the best record of the 20 clubs.

I think that explains why there's so little info about the Combination these days, and also verifies that it was held in 1888-89. - PeeJay 23:06, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Request to delete an edit on Football Manager 2008

this edit, which appears to be an unformatted copypaste of the material which you deleted earlier in the month (here is your message on the talk page regarding it, as I'm sure you delete many such edits all the time). Thanks. --Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 17:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Done. I also deleted your reversion as it made no sense without the copyvio edit in. I'll be adding in some more info to stop this kind of thing happening again. Qwghlm 20:13, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of British Asian people

List of British Asian people, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that List of British Asian people satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of British Asian people (2nd nomination) and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of List of British Asian people during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Deiz talk 15:03, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Arsenal

Hey, thanks for reverting my edits to Arsenal. I think you're right there. It's just because usually fansites don't contain a neutral pov, but I've looked into these and they do. Sorry and thanks. → jacĸrм ( talk | sign ) 06:30, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Will you marry me?

Pleeeease? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Misterman2000 (talk • contribs) 21:50, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

James Milner

Just letting you know they article is currently having a PR. This is quite important to me as I plan to make it a FAC once it is over. Buc 18:26, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

• Ok I've addressed to most of the pionts raised. And I've replied to all the rest. Buc 12:03, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Reversion

aren't the lang cats repeated? Chensiyuan 12:56, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

no prob. Chensiyuan 13:29, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

James Milner Off the pitch section

Over the past few weeks I’ve been researching desperately to try and expand this section. But for the most part I can only find very trivial facts. Another user has told me that off the pitch sections are not mandatory and in this case it would be best to remove it completely. I’m not so sure, however minor his off the pitch activities might be it would be useful to give an idea of what he’s like as a person.

Please give me your views. Should it be expanded, removed completely or charged in some other way. Please give your views in the Milner Off the pitch section on my talk page. Buc 16:36, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Ludovic Quistin

I notice you recently deleted this article. He had failed AfD before, but since then he has played internationally, and went to the 2007 CONCACAF Gold Cup, so I think he passes notability now. Any chance of recreation? ArtVandelay13 20:13, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Solitude Reds C.S.C

A {{prod}} template has been added to the article Solitude Reds C.S.C, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you endorse deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please tag it with {{db-author}}. B. Wolterding 09:03, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Tim O'Shea

According to Roger Triggs' book "The Men Who Made Gillingham Football Club", O'Shea was an Arsenal apprentice...... ChrisTheDude 18:22, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Article for Deletion

My intention for deleting the article instead of speedy deleting was because I thought that the criteria for speedy deletion was something with much higher reasons other than for the reasons for deletion, hence the deletion tag. I haven't seen the tag since, and if you felt the need to change, or upgrade the deletion type to a speedy deletion, go for it. Thanks. BeanoJosh 03:07, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

RE: Thanks. It's been awhile and I'm a bit rusty. Thanks for letting me know. BeanoJosh 09:06, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Arsenal Stadium Mystery.jpg

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Thierry Henry FAC

Hi there, I think I may have asked of this before, but this time round I'm seriously thinking of nominating Thierry Henry as a FAC. He's left Arsenal, but well. I'm really hoping for some feedback for his article. Thanks! Chensiyuan 15:56, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Arrogance

I think the barnstars are going to your head. You should learn to be less rude in the future. No need to reply. I’ll let you undo this utterly stupid edit. Nabs 10:32, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Why PostJobFree artile was deleted?

It seems you deleted PostJobFree article and claim that the article is spam. Is there any way I can write about PostJobFree.com on wiki that will not be considered spam? Dennisgorelik 14:42, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

1. Are there any criteria about how popular should be web site in order to deserve to be mentioned on Wikipedia? How many visitors/month?
2. Regarding the format of the article -- that's obviously very flexible. I just don't know what exactly should I avoid in order to the article not to be considered spam. Dennisgorelik 14:54, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

According to you, being "81,000th most popular site worldwide" is not enough for being notable enough (to be mentioned on WikiPedia with 2+ million articles -- 2 million is 70 times more than 81000). Could you please provide a ranking number, which would indicate that a web site is notable enough? I couldn't find such number on WP:WEB (You may consider to add such ranking guideline there). Dennisgorelik 15:15, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

1) Chris, you still haven't answered my "Rank Threshold Number" question. Note, that this is important question in itself. I need to know this number, so I would come back when PostJobFree.com reaches that threshold.

2) The reason to you to mention that number in WP:WEB is that web site rank / popularity is iron clad indicator of "Recognition by others". All other criteria could hardly be measured / compared and could easily be spoofed.

3) Note, that Wikipedia has many articles web sites that are considerably less popular than postjobfree.com. One of such examples: Viewroo. See viewroo.com traffic data.

4) Even if we apply notability criteria from WP:WEB, you'll see that PostJobFree complies with: "The content is distributed via a medium which is both respected and independent of the creators". Indeed.com, simplyhired.com and other job search web sites distribute PostJobFree.com content.

5) I don't mind that you deleted PostJobFree article now. I just want to have a criteria, so I could recognize the time when PostJobFree is notable enough for Wikipedia. So, could you give me this rank threshold guideline number?

Dennisgorelik 16:19, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of Dean W. Hockney

Sir:

I would like to contest your deletion of Dean W. Hockney. Mr. Hockney is a noted graduate of Kokomo High School and a community leader as well as a National award winning writer. He is a subject matter expert in the field of high school basketball in Indiana (which is very important to Hoosiers). He also has one book already published, and I beleive his inclusion meets the Wikipedia standards. Thank you for reconsidering this entry.

Mark Clattenburg

Hi. Thanks for your protection attempts regarding this article. If you look at the article talk page, you will see discussion intended to determine consensus regarding the inclusion of the Everton v. Liverpool match which has inflamed the senses of many of the contributors since Saturday. I have therefore rolled all the way back to include the best neutral account of the match possible at the moment, as myself and one other are still in discussion about this. No other editor has seen fit to qualify their edits by joining the discussion. I am grateful for your attention to this article. Thanks. Ref ^(chew)(do) 19:39, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for removing the semi-protect first time around - victim of the rollback! Thanks. Ref ^(chew)(do) 21:54, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Pride of Anglia

Hi. It would have been useful (and a little considerate) to drop me a line that you'd prodded Pride of Anglia, as I created the article. Ho hum. Anyway, luckily I spotted the prod in my gargantuan watchlist (I must prune that) and I think it's much improved now. Please let me know if you still have strong concerns over OR. --Dweller 22:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Donald Mood

Hi. I've had a look in the book, and I can't find any record of a Donald Mood. But the article's been deleted anyway. Thanks, Mattythewhite 15:49, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

WP:FOOTY

Hi, we are staggering towards some kind of consensus at WP:FOOTY, please let us know what you think of the proposed notability criteria, regards King of the North East (T/C) 00:53, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Jimmy Dimmock

Hi.Thankyou for editing the page.I think it was a simple mistake.It should of read that Jimmy at the time was the youngest Spurs player to play for England.CheersNorthmetpit 12:38, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Featured List of the Day Experiment

There have been a series of proposals to initiate a Featured List of the Day on the main page. Numerous proposals have been put forth. After the third one failed, I audited all WP:FL's in order to begin an experiment in my own user space that will hopefully get it going. Today, it commences at WP:LOTD. Afterwards I created my experimental page, a new proposal was set forth to do a featured list that is strikingly similar to my own which is to do a user page experimental featured list, but no format has been confirmed and mechanism set in place. I continue to be willing to do the experiment myself and with this posting it commences. Please submit any list that you would like to have considered for list of the day in the month of January 2008 by the end of this month to WP:LOTD and its subpages. You may submit multiple lists for consideration.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 21:51, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Daniel Stock

You're right, the article is nonsense. This lists every player who has played for Chelsea's first team, and there's no record of "Daniel Stock" or anyone else called Stock. There's also no mention of him in the reserve or academy sides. They don't have an "under-21" team, just the aforementioned sides. Regards. SteveO (talk) 18:26, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Jonathan Burgess

Not Nonsense!!! You are nonsense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ziganda (talk • contribs) 11:13, November 18, 2007

RVP

Are you sure it's van Persie and not Van Persie? GilbertoSilvaFan and I were having a little discussion about this. Chensiyuan 17:02, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Arsenal Reserves

Thanks for tidying up my entry on the Arsenal Reserves page. I've got tons of stuff to put up. Can you check the Reserves and Academy pages every so often and tidy up as neccessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goonerak (talk • contribs) 10:56, December 2, 2007

List of FA Cup giant-killings

I've nominated this article for deletion. Having spend forever trying to keep the list logical, I just can't see any way in which we can improve it to be anything other than a subjective list based on the bias of individual editors. This weekend for example we have had Havant's win added (Notts County are hardly a footballing giant) and the readdition of Nottm Forest beating Charlton (bookies were giving the same odds on wins for both so it wasn't even a surprise.) Valenciano 10:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello again, I wonder if you could comment on my proposed criteria on this page. We now have the ridiculous spectacle of Port Vale and Notts County being described as giants when, no disrespect to their fans, they clearly aren't. As I've already removed the Havant result twice I think it would be breaking the spirit of 3RR to remove again. However, I firmly believe we need tight criteria on such a list to stop it growing exponentially. Valenciano (talk) 18:25, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Nicklas Bendtner

Hi there, there appears to be some sort of ridiculous edit dispute going on at this article. Basically it involves transfer speculation of the Dane -- I am firmly opposed to citing 6 sources for this piece of news but some editors think otherwise. Wish you could instil some sense in the madness, if you could. Cheers. Chensiyuan (talk) 14:14, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Nicklas Bendtner

There appears to be an edit conflict arising from the removal of cited sources, the sources draw from a wide spectrum of sources that build a creditable case that Bendtner may indeed be moving to Chelsea. CorleoneSerpicoMontana (talk) 14:25, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Whilst I understand, and ultimately agree with the sentiment, the sources are not all the same, there are sources which elaborate on why he has been linked with a move away from the club. CorleoneSerpicoMontana (talk) 14:41, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Arsenal F.C. subpage

Hey man, it's a shame you decided to have your Arsenal subpage deleted. As you may know, I used it as the basis for my Manchester United subpage. What was the reason for your having it deleted? – PeeJay 16:58, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh thank goodness for that. Still, at least you know now how much it means to me. :-D – PeeJay 10:00, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Sam Oji

Hi, you may want to add Sam Oji to your subpage under Minor former players. (He didn't have an Arsenal players category until about 2 minutes ago, which is probably why you missed him.) cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:05, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Robert Buchanan (footballer)

Hi - I've just created an article about Robert Buchanan who was with Woolwich Arsenal before joining the Saints in 1896 . Can you add anything to his Gunners' career? Cheers. --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 08:03, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the note - in view of the different dates of death quoted in the various sources, I have amended the article to give this as 1907 and added a section on the talk page. --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 22:34, 16 December 2007 (UTC) p.s. Congrats on today's result!

Arsenal minor former players

Hi, can you add Len Shackleton to the list. I've added a paragraph on his (very brief) Arsenal career. I'll have a look through my records and see who else I can come up with. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goonerak (talk • contribs) 10:40, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Arsenal FC Seasons

One anomaly that gets overlooked is Arsenal's league position at the end of 1914-15. The original Football League records show that Birmingham finised 5th and Arsenal finished 6th. In 1975, someone discovered that an error had been made in the calculation of goal average and the final table was corrected. Every Arsenal handbook up to 1975 showed the final league position as 6th! You might want to add a note somewhere on your page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goonerak (talk • contribs) 10:54, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Found the reference! Phil Soar & Martin Tyler - The Official Centenary History Of Arsenal Football Club (1986), Chapter 4, page 42. Text as printed: "In 1914-15 the team had finished fifth in the Second Division (for 60 years that League table was invariably copied showing Arsenal finishing sixth but, in actual fact, they finished just above Birmingham on goal average by virtue of that 7-0 win over Forest in their final game)." I'm pretty certain there was an article about the "discovery" in an Arsenal programme during the 1974-75 season. I'll see if I can find it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goonerak (talk • contribs) 13:00, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Flags

Sorry! I thought it made the player pages look better. Is there anything i could do on the Arsenal players that needs doing becuase i'm willing to help

All my edits get deleted

Hi again! Why did you delete my top scorers list on the Coca Cola Championship thread. I've also had a number of other edits deleted which in my opinion seem good edits to make. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinygunnerlee (talk • contribs) 19:02, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Van den Berg etc

Ok i didnt know only first team players were allowed to have a page. I have made a lot of edits on the players lower in the arsenal ranks. particularly the international stats in the info box as many hadn't been updated since about February! Especially as many of our younger players play in U21 teams and U19 teams.

Also a quick question. In the International appearences section on the infobox do friendlies count becuase only official league games count on the club appearances? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinygunnerlee (talk • contribs) 10:07, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

George Eastham

I'd be glad to help. I'll have a look at expanding the Stoke City part within the next week. Dave101→talk  12:24, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Various Arsenal stuff

Thanks for the advice about the pictures. I've got a lot to learn about the workings of Wikipedia! I've got a few more pieces of information that I would like to add but want to reference them - e.g. the strange story of how Herbert Chapman became a manager. Is there anywhere that explains how to link a note (by this I mean a superscript number in square brackets) to a reference at the bottom of the page. I've got somuch information, just wish I had the time to put it in a usable format! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goonerak (talk • contribs) 19:35, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Arsenal Captains

Are you including just club captains or every player that has captained the club (e.g. due to the captain being injured)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goonerak (talk • contribs) 20:30, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Infobox work

Hi,

Thanks for the suggestions and work on the various football infoboxen right now. It's a big help. I really want to try to standardise the way we represent stuff like this, which means eliminating custom tables, so if you have any suggestions on how to generalise the templates (or any corner cases) then please point them out. These will improve faster if they get more adoption. Chris Cunningham (talk) 15:49, 28 December 2007 (UTC)