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DLA Piper

Yes, please delete the Awards and rankings section, combine the clients section with the above section. Regarding the list of offices section, a person could accomplish the same thing with "69 offices on 5 continents" or something to that effect.TalkToMe_c^intelati 16:05, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

I will make those edits now. Regarding the offices, merely stating "69 offices on 5 continents" does not convey the locations and represents a loss of factual and cited information which I personally feel is appropriate and in no way advertising.Rangoon11 (talk) 16:14, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Regarding the flags, all they do to the article is add flash. if anything list the countries that it operates in.TalkToMe_c^intelati 16:19, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes the flags do look attractive, but our job as editors is not to make the articles of commercial organisations look unattractive just for the sake of it. And many other law firm articles use flags in exactly the same way. I completely agree that we should avoid any advertising type material, but equally we should not discriminate against commercial organisations by making their articles unattractive or removing completely factual material which is appropriate.Rangoon11 (talk) 16:24, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

(I was orignialy going to put this on the article's talk page) No. the problem is NOT that the flags look nice, in fact I LIKE the flags, but in the middle of the article they are too much. As a compromise, I propose delete the flags and keep the list.--TalkToMe_c^intelati 17:17, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

But what do you mean by 'too much'? They stand out visually and appear in the middle of the screen (on some PCs anyhow) because the article is currently quite short, but that is not per se an argument against them. Over time one would expect that the article will develop and that sections like History will be expanded. Rangoon11 (talk) 17:21, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

exactly, but now, the flags make the short article seem like an advert.--TalkToMe_c^intelati 17:23, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

But there is a very big difference between a completely factual and cited article about a commercial organisation which happens to look attractive or even impressive and an advertisement. I strongly doubt that DLA Piper would place an advert in a newspaper that was simply a list of their offices with flags beside them, with no contact information and no puffery. Rangoon11 (talk) 17:30, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm assuming that the list of cities and countries is an attempt to make the business sound big. A person can get the same effect by saying, "60 Law offices in 30 countries on 5 continents".--17:33, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

But DLA is big, that is an indisputable fact, and it is a fact that it has those offices. To state that and to list the offices is not advertising, no more than it is advertising for the Wal-Mart article to state that Wal-Mart is 'the world's largest public corporation by revenue'...'the largest majority private employer and the largest grocery retailer in the United States'...'has 8500 stores in 15 countries', it is information that is fundamental for the reader to understand the subject of the article. It is not a policy of Wikipedia to avoid facts about commercial organisations merely because they are impressive.Rangoon11 (talk) 17:43, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Just a quiet comment; discussion of these content issues belongs on the article talk page, in Talk:DLA Piper/Archives/2012#Flags and office locations; I know you're both already commenting there, so that's cool, thanks.  Chzz  ►  18:03, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

3-revert warning

Just a note saying you're close to breaking the three-revert rule. Christopher Connor (talk) 16:12, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

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British company vs. Global company?

Can I get some idea about when you are likely to revert my edits about companies being British or not? Is it simply a case of questioning where their operations are concentrated and whether they're exclusively inside the UK? If their being British or not is irrelevant in all cases regardless of the geographical boundaries of their operations, could you extend that principle to other companies? I could point you in the direction of some articles on purportedly 'American' or 'French' or 'German' companies if you'd like... 87.194.30.99 (talk) 00:32, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your message. There are a few points here which apply to all of the articles where I have made this particular revert. Firstly, what do we actually mean when describing a multinational company's nationality? Essentially, in my view and I believe the general view of the media, we mean that its headquarters (and/or registered office if they are in different countries, as with Royal Dutch Shell or Xstrata) and stock market listing (or primary listing, if it has multiple listings) are in that country.

All of these companies' headquarters locations are already stated in the very first sentence of the articles (in many cases because I inserted it there) and the listing information is also very prominent in the lead.

The word 'global' refers to the scope of these companies activites. These companies generally describe themselves as global or international and this is what they mean, it is not an attempt to deny the location of the HQ or listing, it is referring to something else. There is no such thing as a 'global' nationality so I believe this is clear from the wording.

There is also the issue of clarity and POV. Defining nationality indirectly through the HQ and listing information is specific, cited and factual. Assigning a UK based multinational company with a nationality, when it may, as in the case of most FTSE 100 companies, have one or more (in some case all) of the following characteristics:

important business units headquartered outside of the UK;

the majority of its sales made outside of the UK;

the majority of its employees outside of the UK;

the majority of its manufacturing outside of the UK;

the majority of its assets outside of the UK;

the majority of its offices located outside of the UK;

foreign senior management; or

be majority owned by foreign shareholders,

is unspecific and probably even original research.

Regarding the articles of a number of non-UK headquartered multinationals, yes it is true that many do say 'American' or 'French' in the lead. Generally the leads of company articles on wikipedia are poorly written however and I don't feel that we should have to copy bad practice elsewhere. My own focus is on improving the quality of Wikipedia coverage of UK-based companies.Rangoon11 (talk) 11:08, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

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