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WikiCup 2019 November newsletter

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Your observation at ANI

Hi again Rhododendrites,

Thank you again for your observation at ANI that ANI is not normally the venue for de-escalation, but the more I thought about WP:ANI and all the ANI drama, I wondered whether we could seriously cut down on the admin noticeboard/incidents and require that, before bringing an editor or an issue to WP:ANI (other than blatant vandalism and obvious sockpuppetry, the editor must use WP:DR instead. Do you think it would be worthwhile for me to bring that proposal to the Village Pump, policy section? If so, do you have any suggestion(s) as to wording of either or both the proposal or rationale that would help to have the proposal achieving consensus in favour of support (i.e., passing)?

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@Dmehus: The administrators' noticeboards are good places for raising behavioral/conduct issues that could not be resolved through other means. ANV for vandalism, AN3 for edit warring, ANI for most everything else other than sock puppetry which is what SPI is for. Importantly, it's not a place that can/should resolve content disputes, which is what a lot of the other DR processes are intended to resolve (3O/DRN/RfC). So if someone is persistently pushing a POV, exhibiting battleground behavior, attacking other users, etc. and doesn't seem to show signs of wanting to change despite discussion, ANI may be able to resolve that behavior. If there's just a strong difference of opinion, that's for the other DR processes. The main exception is arbcom, which is also just for behavior, not content, but for sprawling/intractable/sensitive issues that can't adequately be addressed elsewhere. For all but the most obvious and egregious examples (and sometimes even then, as with vandalism), there's a general expectation that there's been some talk page page activity, warnings, attempts to discuss, etc. before bringing a matter to one of those other processes.
So in general, although the relationships between the various noticeboards and DR processes can be messy at times, I think what you probably mean by suggesting people go through DR first is already kind of the case. If you were to bring a matter to ANI without first trying to resolve it through talk pages, etc., or if it's a content dispute, it will likely be closed without action. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 21:38, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
Rhododendrites, Thanks for your reply! Hey, are you on non-Wikipedia discussion forums (i.e., WP:Discord or WP:IRC)? I always appreciate your replies, and thought it might be good to start building a non-Wikipedia editing buddy list. I don't use IRC, though. Doug Mehus (talk) 23:36, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
@Dmehus: I'm on IRC once in a while (with this username), but when I am it's usually just on in the background or to ask a quick question or to request revdel. Haven't tried Discord yet (or Telegram, or the other newfangled platforms the kids are using these days :) ).
BTW it doesn't matter to me, but pinging someone on their talk page doesn't really have a function (a notification is generated anyway, which is the primary function of a ping). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 00:56, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
Rhododendrites, LOL, I assumed you were the same age is me—that is mid-twenties to mid-thirties, no? Doug Mehus (talk) 01:37, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

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2020 Endorsements

doesn't deleting a bunch of stuff feel a bit unnecessary, i mean Trump's endorsements aren't deleted, so why these people... not to mention i looked on your page, and apparently your a Feminist? so i'm guessing you removed some stuff just so you can protect celebrities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.122.10.206 (talk) 23:24, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Not deleted yet. I started with the democratic lists but don't plan to end there.
Basically we had a big discussion to determine what should be included in such lists. It was closed a couple days ago and so is now being implemented. The rule of thumb on these lists moving forward is:
Is the person notable (generally, does the person have a Wikipedia article)? If yes then...
Is the endorsement covered by a reliable source that's not connected to the endorsee or endorser? If yes then...
Is the endorsement clearly an endorsement as covered by that reliable source? If yes then include in the list. Otherwise, it should be removed (from any list of endorsements). You're welcome to do this yourself, but I'd be sure to cite this RfC when doing so. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 23:29, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
Um. Went to save the above and saw the last bit you added: apparently your a Feminist? so i'm guessing you removed some stuff just so you can protect celebrities - I have no idea how you're making a connection between my removing endorsements that don't fit the inclusion criteria listed above and being a feminist. No idea what "protect celebrities" means in this case. I'm literally removing all endorsements that don't fit into the above from the lists. See also: WP:AGF. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 23:29, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Ok, maybe i was being a bit harsh... but some of the people i added seemed like they had clear endorsements. like Vincent Waller with Bernie Sanders, or a bunch of WGA members being Warren supporters, so at least i tried giving a bit more info on stuff, also the new rules seem a bit unfair to the people who worked hard and spent a long time with these pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.122.10.206 (talk) 02:38, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

I can empathize with that. I think most of us who spend a good amount of time on lists have been in a position of losing a good amount of work because unclear rules became clearer or because the rules changed. It's frustrating, but these consensus-building processes we have are what make Wikipedia able to function. There was a big discussion advertised in many places across the project for more than a month before it was closed and it got overwhelming support for all three of the above criteria. The idea is that while we do lose some information, Wikipedia is better for it in the long run. Granted, you kind of have to know where to look for those discussions to get involved while they're going on. WP:CENT is where the most important discussions happen (or the discussions which affect the most content), and it's where this RfC was listed. You can also learn more about what an RfC is and how it's advertised here: WP:RFC (there are many more RfCs than are posted to CENT). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 03:50, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Endorsements

Hi Rhododendrites. Now that the RfC has ended, I think it would be a good idea to memorialize the results in a guideline. I'm willing to take a stab at it, but in the meantime, we can create a shortcut to the closed RfC. Variants of WP:ENDORSEMENT have already been claimed. Perhaps something like WP:POLENDORSE or WP:POLIENDORSE. Any ideas? - MrX 🖋 23:34, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

@MrX: I was thinking the same re: shortcut, but figured it may be better to wait until it's archived? No strong opinion there, though. WP:ENDORSERFC is a possibility, too...
BTW I've gone through all of the republican and democrat lists now. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 00:01, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
FWIW (for MrX and any other pagewatchers), the endorsement pages could use more watchers. There's already some pushback to implementing the RfC (after all, I am a far-left/far-right POV pusher making arbitrary changes to scrub endorsements of [every] one particular candidate). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 00:11, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for doing the cleanup. I will add the Republican endorsement list to my watchlist. We can permalink to the current RfC location for now, then change it when it's archived. WP:ENDORSERFC is as good as anything I can think of at the moment.- MrX 🖋 00:15, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
@MrX: I best recommend a WP:EDN. ミラP 00:19, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Miraclepine, yeah I was also thinking that edit notices would be helpful. Rhododendrites, what do you think? Would it be overkill? - MrX 🖋 03:21, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
@MrX and Miraclepine: Does not seem like overkill in this scenario, since it's been demonstrated that people really want to add other kinds of endorsements even after posting the RfC results. I generally don't see a need for an edit notice on list articles unless there are persistent attempts to insert material that an edit notice might prevent. Worth a shot. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 03:31, 5 December 2019 (UTC)


I know i certainly have a problem with these new rules... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.122.10.206 (talk) 02:45, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

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Superchickens

This is not what I expected. Specifically, that the opposite is the case: even some of the keep comments acknowledge that the topic doesn't exist (or isn't notable). The article now kept is about a "manner of team recruitment," which takes its name from an analogy with the Muir study. It is not an article about the Muir study or about super chickens. What "even the delete commenters acknowledge" exists is the study itself. That's not this article, though. Some people proposed using the content to write about the study (e.g. Levivich, and also mentioned by Lightburst) or merging it into an article on the scientist as some sort of application of their research. That's all well and good, but the "super-chicken model" which is the subject of the article shouldn't be kept as it is. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:59, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes, we're discussing it over at Talk:Super-chicken_Model#Move discussion. Please join in, your views will be important. I suspect the consensus will be to move the title to Super-chicken study which seems more appropriate. SilkTork (talk) 19:10, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

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Antifa Supporters on Wikipedia

can i ask you something, could you report a few users named Arms & Hearts, Aquillon, Tsumiki, Simonm223, Wumbolo, Grayfell, and Doug Weller for their apparent support of far left terrorist group Antifa, which has openly and brutally attacked people who they deem as fascists.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.122.10.206 (talk • contribs) 20:40, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Supporting a group or having a political ideology isn't against any rules on Wikipedia. All that matters is that their editing summarizes what reliable sources say. If e.g. the New York Times says "Antifa is bad" and someone edits to say "The New York Times says Antifa is good" then yeah, there would be a problem. Otherwise, people can believe what they want unless it violates Wikipedia policy. See also: WP:NPOV/WP:V. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 01:45, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

actually, thats what they're doing, they're intentionally removing factual information from news sources from the Antifa page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.122.10.206 (talk) 23:01, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Antifa is not a subject I know all that much about. I haven't looked at the article in question, but will say that just because something is factual or reported in a source isn't a guarantee of inclusion either. The consensus-building process determines what's included/omitted, guided by Wikipedia policies and guidelines, factoring in things like the relative quality of sources, due weight, relevance, etc. We do have dispute resolution processes if you would like to pursue them. If you feel someone is violating Wikipedia rules, you can always go to WP:ANI and file a report, but the standard for evidence is pretty high (and it's typically a last resort). Not something I think I can help with in this case. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 21:51, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

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Damon Runyon's short story "Dancing Dan's Christmas" is a fun read if you have the time. Right from the start it extols the virtues of the hot Tom and Jerry

This hot Tom and Jerry is an old-time drink that is once used by one and all in this country to celebrate Christmas with, and in fact it is once so popular that many people think Christmas is invented only to furnish an excuse for hot Tom and Jerry, although of course this is by no means true.

No matter what concoction is your favorite to imbibe during this festive season I would like to toast you with it and to thank you for all your work here at the 'pedia this past year. Best wishes for your 2020 as well R. MarnetteD|Talk 03:37, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

So BTW, MarnetteD, is this actually your favorite drink this time of year? Can't say I've heard of it, but I'm intrigued. Ultimately, I think my preference to avoid raw eggs will likely win out, though... — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:23, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
I've tried it a time or three though not for many years now. Like most warm alcohol drinks it goes down easily and one or two is more than enough :-P MarnetteD|Talk 19:29, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

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Thank you for continuing to make Wikipedia the greatest project in the world. I hope you have an excellent holiday season. Lightburst (talk) 23:08, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Be well at Christmas

Have a WikiChristmas and a PediaNewYear

Be well. Keep well. Have a lovely super-turkey Christmas. ;-) SilkTork (talk) 15:53, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

And on that note, I see that there is no change at Super-chicken Model, though there appears to me to be a consensus for Super-chicken study. Unless you have an objection, I'll move the article to that name either today or tomorrow. SilkTork (talk) 15:53, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

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Hello Rhododendrites: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, DBigXrayᗙ Happy Holidays! 18:38, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

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豊かな十年へようこそ/WELCOME TO THE D20s

Miraclepine wishes you a Merry Christmas, a Happy New Year, and a prosperous decade of change and fortune.
このミラPはRhododendritesたちのメリークリスマスも新年も変革と幸運の豊かな十年をおめでとうございます！
フレフレ、みんなの未来！/GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR FUTURE!
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