User talk:Robomilk/Archive 1

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It is felt that the article you created at Shaun hargreaves is not suitable for a Wikipedia article, which must have a notable subject and be verifiable. I have moved it to User:Robomilk/Archive 1, which is where users are free to write about themselves. You are at liberty to move it back into the (Main) namespace but bear in mind that if you do so, it is likely to be nominated for deletion.

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List of unusual deaths

Hi, I just undid your addition to Unusual deaths because a number of celebrities went out in just this way. Red Foxx died exactly like this, an Opera singer died with some lyric like "I could just die" (collapsing off a ladder), and I just removed another entry about a comedian that died on stage and fell on Milton Bearle. I guess it's a popular way to go. NJGW (talk) 17:43, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Subpages

Several of the new pages you've created have been redirected to the existing page Bristol City Council elections, because sub-pages are not allowed in article space. The reasons for this are laid out in the guideline Wikipedia:Subpages. If a page becomes too large (see guidance at WP:SPLIT for when this is the case), you can create separate pages for sub-topics, but each page must stand on its own as a proper, independent encyclopedia article, with context, and it's usually a good idea to seek consensus if it's possible that someone might disagree with the split. —swpb^T 18:11, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

In which case, what is the intended means of DRY-ly storing identical data that needs to appear on multiple different pages in potentially different contexts? I assumed a subpage would be okay, on the basis that this is part of that but needs to be logistically separate. A speedy answer would be appreciated, as the removal/redirection of those pages has now broken the formatting of Bristol City Council, Politics of Bristol and History of Bristol City Council. Thanks. Robomilk (talk) 18:19, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

To editor Robomilk: What I can tell you is this: the decision that sub-pages are unacceptable was made a long time ago, and is regularly reaffirmed; there is no real possibility of it being changed. Sometimes, that means you do have to repeat yourself a little, or at least summarize, to establish context on a related set of articles, but you can also use templates like {{main}} to point to articles on different aspects of a parent topic (a lengthy table, for instance, should never be duplicated on multiple pages). But in this case, there is no justification on the basis of article length or subject-matter for splitting these tables out into separate pages. —swpb^T 18:38, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Yikes. As a person whose job involves eradicating repetition as much as possible that kind of makes me cringe. Hopefully it's something that's relaxed or otherwise dealt with technologically in the future. I'll fix up the broken pages and see about reducing repetition somehow. (Given we just had three different elections a few days ago, maintaining and updating so many tables is a complete pain in the ass. May as well try and nip it in the bud.) Robomilk (talk) 18:47, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

To editor Robomilk:I don't see how you have to maintain any more tables than you would otherwise. Print encyclopedias repeat summary-level content all the time; it's how encyclopedias work. There is simply no possible need for you to use slash-titled sub-pages to avoid repetition. We've been doing this a long, long time, and it's been working very, very well. —swpb^T 18:49, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

I must disagree. It's not necessarily summary data, and there is obvious utility to having data be able to be transcluded wholesale. Currently information on the current council control is listed on two pages, current council composition is on two, historical council composition is on two. Along with other (council-unrelated) tables, this amounts to 14 tables of data where there could be six, all repeated on a mere four pages. All of this data is identical and needs to be updated at the same time, so maintaining it from a central location is just sensible. I very much doubt a print encyclopaedia would repeat the same table of information for three pages straight. Robomilk (talk) 19:02, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Look—I don't care how you do it, but you can't use sub-pages. That's all there is to it. I don't think you're even listening to me--I'm not suggesting you repeat tables--so I'm not inclined to keep the conversation up. You can figure this out yourself. —swpb^T 19:22, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

I never said I was going to use sub-pages. If I may repeat myself: "Hopefully it's something that's relaxed or otherwise dealt with technologically in the future. I'll fix up the broken pages and see about reducing repetition somehow." I'm simply saying there is definite utility to being able to store repetitive information at a central location and it's a shame that Wikipedia has no process for doing so, which you appeared to disagree with. I was not arguing that sub-pages should necessarily be the answer to that; thus my "otherwise dealt with technologically" bit—a future MediaWiki update could possibly accomplish it much more neatly for all I know.

Regardless, it seems I'm now embarking of a widescale rewrite of a large number of pages to try and reduce repeating data as much as possible. This'll be fun. Robomilk (talk) 19:50, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

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