User talk:Rowan Forest/Archive 16

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Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019!

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		For excellent work on citations!! Here is wishing a fine holiday time and happy 2019. Fotaun (talk) 15:53, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

New Suggestion

Happy New Year Sir!

What do you think of this New brief edit?

Thank you!

O’ Neill Cylinder

Fast Company, an American business magazine published monthly, put out an article about how Jeff Bezos (founder of Amazon and Blue Origin), who was a supporter of physicist and Princeton University Gerard O’Neill proposed manufacturing revolving space stations which later turned out as O’Neill cylinders. https://www.fastcompany.com/90251701/why-jeff-bezos-is-moonstruck-to-predict-a-trillion-people-living-in-space Bezos has feted O’ Neill, known as an advocate of space colonization. The most famous O’Neill Cylinder or Colony concept is ideal for the creation of space settlements. Jeff Bezos cited O’Neill’s The High Frontier: Human Colonies in Space as making it clear that planetary surfaces were not suitable for a growing civilization in the solar system. https://www.universetoday.com/139358/clearly-a-fan-jeff-bezos-himself-announced-that-amazon-was-picking-up-the-expanse/ In 1969, Professor O’Neill started to consider artificial habitats made from materials that were already in space. He asked the question, “Is the earth’s surface the correct place for an expanding technological civilization?” The answer indicated “No”. The findings of O’Neill led to the silent and unchallenged assumption behind the logic directed towards the planet Mars. https://space.nss.org/settlement/MikeCombs/case_spc.htm

LOBOSKYJOJO (talk) 01:50, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

@LOBOSKYJOJ: Hello. It needs a lot of work, and I have not read the references cited, but it seems relevant and recent. Are you thinking of adding this to the O'Neill cylinder article? Cheers, Rowan Forest (talk) 02:56, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Edit warring at (486958) 2014 MU69

See the complaint about your edits of this article at the 3RR board. You've been notified by two different people but you've deleted all the notices without any reply. This suggests you are certain you are right and are unwilling to negotiate. Since you have now reverted seven times it is becoming embarrassing for admins to let this continue. Please reply at the noticeboard and promise to wait for consensus before touching the article again. Otherwise you could be blocked for 3RR violation. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 14:57, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: I agree, this user has been violating Wikipedia policies repeatedly. I will also report him. Cheers.

Post for improvement

Sir,

Can you suggest further inputs to this brief article?

SpaceX Mars spaceship Elon Musk, founder of SpaceX, has projected that they plan to launch short rocket trips to Mars by 2019 and send a cargo mission to this planet by 2022. The ultimate goal of SpaceX is to pave the way for the Red Planet’s colonization. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/11/elon-musk-says-mars-spaceship-will-be-ready-for-short-trips-by-first-half-of-2019.html As chief designer, Musk designed a stainless-steel model of starship, the former Big Falcon Spacecraft. It is being constructed at the company’s launch site in Boca Beach, Texas. The Boca Chica hopper test flights can start in March or April. https://www.themonitor.com/2019/01/03/work-accelerates-spacex-launch-site-boca-chica/ This model will demonstrate the capability of the rocket to land and take off promptly which is one reason it was labeled the “test hopper.” https://www.dailybreeze.com/2019/01/03/progress-moves-quickly-on-spacexs-starship-hopper-in-texas-as-company-shoots-for-mars/ According to Musk, the Starship space vehicle has the capacity to carry a maximum of 100 individuals to Mars. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/finance/technology/elon-musk-says-radical-mars-spacecraft-will-be-tested-by-spacex-within-months/ar-BBRoy6r It can also carry up to 150 tons of cargo to the planet’s surface. https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-image-of-spacex-starship-2018-12

Thank you

LOBOSKYJOJO (talk) 08:34, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

@LOBOSKYJOJO: That information is already covered in detail at the BFR (rocket) article. Duplication is not necessary. Cheers, Rowan Forest (talk) 23:57, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Sir. Yes, I was thinking if possible if it could be added to the O'Neill Cylinder section.

LOBOSKYJOJO (talk) 01:32, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello. I don't think it will stick, because the BFR is a transportation project, not a space station or space colony. Eventually, the BFR system may become the transport of choice for a future Mars base, but even then, that is different from an orbiting colony such as the O'Neil cylinder. They are just different concepts. Cheers, Rowan Forest (talk) 01:38, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

@LOBOSKYJOJO: Hello. Just a note to remember to start with small edits and not large sections or new articles. When you contribute a large block that rambles with several ideas, it is easier for other editors to exclude it rather than than to fix it. I see that you do enclose many sources, which is great as it is the key requirement in Wikipedia. Now take some time to learn how to render those sources into references using an appropriate format: Take a look at WP:References dos and don'ts, and consider using this nice tool to generate an acceptable format, where you just copy/paste the basics and the tool does the rest: [1].

Again: start with small entries, such as a single sentence, and notice the feedback and changes done to it as the days go by. Don't get discouraged, it is just a matter of learning how to condense the idea in a few words, and read the whole article first, so that you have a sense of where your material goes and that the info is not repeated elsewhere within that articlr. Cheers, Rowan Forest (talk) 15:13, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

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Thank you so much Sir

Sir

Thank you so much for all the help. Am learning a lot from you.

LOBOSKYJOJO (talk) 00:15, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

ANI notice

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Tanpopo mission

I have some news for you. The latest issue of JAXA's monthly ISAS News has an article on the project, titled "Tanpopo" ended the 3-year exposure experiment, the collection experiment identified dust of asteroid origin. There wasn't a web page version so here's a raw translation:

New discoveries about asteroid Ryugu by Hayabusa2 are being continuously reported these days, but another sample return is under way at the International Space Station (ISS). The budget size is far less than 1% of Hayabusa2, but it is Japan's first astrobiology space experiment "Tanpopo" project. Three 10 cm square exposure panels for examining the survival rate and chemical change of extreme environment microorganisms and organic samples exposed to the space environment, and three dozen collection panels of the same size for capturing fine solid particles such as cosmic dust, have been brought back to Earth every year since 2016, and analyzations are being carried out by collaborators throughout Japan.
In the exposure experiment, we exposed three exposure panels simultaneously to space from May 2015. Then, in June 2016, the first year sample exposed for 384 days, in July 2017 the second year sample exposed for 769 days, and in July 2018 the three year sample exposed for 1,126 days were successfully recovered respectively. In the first year sample, the survival of microorganisms after one year of exposure to space was confirmed, achieving the success criteria of minimum success. From now on, as all the samples from 3 years are returned to the ground, by using data on changes of the maximum and minimum temperatures, the ultraviolet irradiation amount, and the radiation dose, as indicators, and comparing them with the control sample stored in the ISS pressurized section and on the ground, it will elucidate death curve of extreme environment microorganisms on low earth orbit, and secular changes of organic matter, achieving full success.
Meanwhile in the collection experiment, 11 first year collection panels were for 384 days from May 2014 (some for 486 days from November 2015), exposed on three directions on the three-axis controlled ISS, the progressive plane, space plane constantly facing the other side from Earth, plane opposite to the pressurized section when seen from ISS progressive plane. The following 12 two year samples were exposed for 385 days from June 2016, and the 12 third year samples were exposed for 357 days from July 2017 under the same conditions. Although the last fourth year sample has only one sample, on the progressive plane, it is still being exposed from July 2018. In the initial analysis of the first year sample, some of the collision due to space dust was identified by correcting the effect from secondary collision discharge and the shielding by the ISS structure, from analysis of the three dimensional shape of the collision hole. In the initial analysis of the second year sample, cosmic dust of asteroid origin was identified from element / mineral analysis, achieving the success criterion of minimum success.　From now on, secular changes of the amount of Earth descent of cosmic dust will be derived, and this challenge is also expected to achieve full success. (Hajime Yano)

The image caption says:

Cross-sectional image of asteroid origin cosmic dust caught in "Tanpopo" collection panel. Provided by: Takaaki Noguchi (Kyushu University), Hajime Yano (JAXA / ISAS)

There's also a new paper, Environmental Data and Survival Data of Deinococcus aetherius from the Exposure Facility of the Japan Experimental Module of the International Space Station Obtained by the Tanpopo Mission which unfortunately has a pay wall, but judging from the abstract I assume it's related to this presentation I linked at my talk page previously. And last week, JAXA's annual Space Science Symposium was held at ISAS, and the Tanpopo team had a poster, reporting their measurement on yearly changes in the amount of cosmic dust raining down on Earth (The collection experiment's criteria for reaching full success, according to the ISAS News article above). This can be referenced, as the poster title "たんぽぽミッションによる宇宙塵の地球降下量の経年変化"(The secular change of the amount of earth descent of cosmic dust by the Tanpopo mission) can be found on the poster list (P- 095).

The following are some other new developments I learned at the symposium that may interest you, but unfortunately cannot be backed by references as of today.

• The OKEANOS team abandoned the sample return proposal, focusing instead on in situ analysis. The lander element has changed drastically. Instead of the previous legged configuration, it now resembles a big MASCOT (It looked similar to Fig.13's right half in this pdf). It is equipped with six sensors, and will last for 30 hours on the trojan's surface.
• As previously reported, the announcement on the selection between LiteBIRD and OKEANOS is scheduled to happen at the end of FY 2018, which means March 2019.
• The Origins Space Telescope was simplified, carrying four (three?) instruments and a telescope diameter of 5.9 m.
• There were talks of a Tanpopo 2. A researcher I had a brief chat with claimed (note: none of this were on the posters so can't tell if it's all true or not) they were thinking of using Tanpopo 2 to practice the methodology of future extraterrestrial astrobiology sample returns, by treating the Tanpopo 2 samples as if they were from Enceladus. Said they were going to analyze the samples without opening the capsule (the container?).

The above material, especially concerning OKEANOS, will likely be available online around February or March on the JAXA repository website. I'll notify again when that happens. Kind regards, Hms1103 (talk) 10:09, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

@Hms1103: Thank you so much for your time, work and keeping me updated! This mission is extremely interesting and important to astrobiology. I'm sure I was not the only one waiting for the publication. I will read all this material next and I hope to update the Tanpopo article later today. Cheers, Rowan Forest (talk) 14:44, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

No problem at all, I always consider my edits in Wikipedia as a sort of philanthropy. That aside, I felt my previous post was rather long, so below are the highlights:

1) The ISAS News article is about the capture of cosmic dust of asteroid origin. 2) The Astrobiology paper reports that Deinococcus aetherius survived a one year exposure to space. 3) The symposium poster was about measuring yearly changes in the amount of cosmic dust raining down on Earth. Regards, Hms1103 (talk) 03:27, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

One-sentence edit for SpaceX

Sir Kindly see this:

SpaceX launched the Falcon 9 which carried one set of Iridium Next communications satellites from the Vandenberg Air Force Base in California on January 11, 2019. This completed a 75-satellite upgrade costing US$3 billion and added broadband along with aircraft tracking services to the global satellite telephone network of Iridium. Haywood, William (January 11, 2019). "cbsnews".

Thank you

LOBOSKYJOJO (talk) 02:38, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Sorry Sir,

Correcting my wrong citation. SpaceX launched the Falcon 9 which carried one set of Iridium Next communications satellites from the Vandenberg Air Force Base in California on January 11, 2019. This completed a 75-satellite upgrade costing US$3 billion and added broadband along with aircraft tracking services to the global satellite telephone network of Iridium. {{SpaceX launches Falcon 9 with final set of 10 Iridium network satellites|https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spacex-launches-falcon9-rocket-iridium-next-satellites-live-stream-today-2019-01-11/}}

Thank youLOBOSKYJOJO (talk) 03:00, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

@LOBOSKYJOJO: What is the context of this? I mean, in which article and section you want to add it to? Cheers, Rowan Forest (talk) 22:38, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Sir,

Will it be relevant to the SpaceX Section as a recent development?

ThanksLOBOSKYJOJO (talk) 00:08, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

@LOBOSKYJOJO: I see now. Such lunches are considered routine to Wikipedia, and so are only recorded at List of Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy launches. Cheers, Rowan Forest (talk) 00:43, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Sir

It seems that editor Andy Smith doesn't like me. I know my shortcomings but I also know I have some points.

Thank you. LOBOSKYJOJO (talk) 12:56, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:LOBOSKYJOJO#Irrelevant_suggestions

Perhaps you can do small edits at the time -as I have suggested before- instead of large additions. If you are trying your best, you may remind other editors to WP:Please do not bite the newcomers. Cheers, Rowan Forest (talk) 14:51, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

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Franklin or Rosalind?

Hi Rowan. I noticed that you are in the process of inserting the new name of the ExoMars rover into various articles, often calling it Franklin. I wonder if you have found any sources supporting use of this shortened name? Intuitively, the name eventually adopted by sources may just as well be Rosalind, or the full Rosalind Franklin, and it's too soon to decide. We would not want Wikipedia to actively influence the way language develops naturally. Looking forward to reading your thoughts on the matter. — JFG ^talk 20:24, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

@JFG: Hi. It is just a short-name as a Wikipedia editor for "Rosalind Franklim rover". My edit was influenced by this news report: "[… The rocket that will send the Franklin rover to Mars is booked to launch in July/August 2020."]

You think it was too much to soon? Rowan Forest (talk) 01:03, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

There are many famous Franklins, especially the explorer John Franklin. It would be nice if the most common name becomes "Rosalind rover"; it makes it specific to Rosalind Franklin. Rowan Forest (talk) 02:36, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Right, there is a strong possibility of confusion with all the other Franklins. I do think you have been acting too fast. Give sources time to adopt a name, long or short. — JFG ^talk 06:07, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Just to note, some times long names persist, as in Jules Verne ATV; it was rather rare for it to be called the Verne ATV. That in mind, I would prefer shorter names for convenience, as long as it is in common use. Kind regards, Hms1103 (talk) 16:57, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

o neill cylinder

you were right I have become very lazy in my edits, I didn't know where to put it without creating a new article. I wanted to centralize all the projects to build Space Station with gravity in the same place, I will think about how to do it. Beaucouplusneutre (talk) 13:55, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

"Hachimoji DNA" - of possible interest

A new article has been started that may be of interest => "Hachimoji DNA" - in any case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 23:14, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

ALSO - Of possible interest => recent NASA report re OOL - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 03:19, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

@Drbogdan: Fascinating stepwise approach to synthesis. Thanks. Rowan Forest (talk) 05:11, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

@Drbogdan: I noticed that new center. I created the article a few days ago at Center for Life Detection Science. Please feel free to expand and correct it. Cheers, Rowan Forest (talk) 20:00, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

ALSO - Several other refs of possible interest - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 01:43, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Finding a layer of pure ice is great, but an underground mantle of liquid water is another league. Have to see how strong the evidence gets, as now it relies on visible imagery from orbit.

FWIW - and if interested - another genetics-related article has been started - at => "Human Nature (2019 film documentary)" - iac - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 17:39, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

References

SpaceIL

The SpaceIL page somehow got reverted even further when I edited and then undid my own edit. Can you please roll back to your latest version? (I can't roll back.) VwM.Mwv (talk) 00:57, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Hello. I don't think you introduced any inaccuracies as it is now. The description of the "time capsule" was moved, and Moon is capitalized. I think we're good. Thanks, Rowan Forest (talk) 01:01, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Oh, it was moved? That's why I got so confused. Anyway, I'd prefer to keep the most important basic/descriptive info in the lede (that other section is about technical info). VwM.Mwv (talk) 01:05, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Hello. The lede should be a summary of the article, so its time capsule can be mentioned at the top but without details. Remember the article is about the company. Once the spacecraft lands there will be lots of info to add, as well as scientific data, so we can split the articles then. Rowan Forest (talk) 01:10, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

I saw your latest version. Much better! VwM.Mwv (talk) 01:25, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

@VwM.Mwv: 15 min for liftoff.  :-) Rowan Forest (talk) 01:30, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

I suspect you've found the live-feed on YouTube. 👍 VwM.Mwv (talk) 01:34, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Hayabusa2's sampling

Hi Rowan, there has been some news about Hayabusa2. Yesterday JAXA had a press conference, confirming that the artificial crater formation experiment using the SCI will be Hayabusa2's next step, scheduled for April. JAXA also says that it's now rather unlikely they will conduct a third touch down. Here's the material that was presented. On page 7 it says:

2回目のタッチダウンは、SCIによる人工クレーター内部またはその周辺、もしくは、別の場所に行う。（実際に2回目を行うかどうかは、SCI運用後に判断する。）
• 3回目のタッチダウンは行わない可能性が高い。
※衝突装置による実験を優先して行うことにした理由
• 1回目のタッチダウンで、サンプルは十分に採取できていると判断した。
• 1回目のタッチダウンで底面の光学系の受光量が低下したものがある。通常の運用には問題はないが、タッチダウン運用のためには慎重な事前調査が必要である。調査に時間が必要となるため、SCI運用を先行して行う。

A raw translation: The second touchdown will be done inside or nearby the artificial crater by SCI, or elsewhere. (It will be judged after SCI operation whether or not to actually do the second time.) • There is a high probability that the third touchdown will not be done. ※Reason for choosing to give priority to experiments with collision equipment • It was judged that sample was sufficiently collected with the first touchdown. • There is a case in which the amount of light received by some of the optical system of the bottom surface has decreased due to the first touchdown. There is no problem with normal operation, but careful preliminary investigation is necessary for touchdown operation. Because it takes time to investigate, SCI operation will be done first.

I would assume that avoiding potential damages to the spacecraft is probably also a factor in skipping the third touch down. Here's the recorded images of the first touchdown. Kind regards, Hms1103 (talk) 10:51, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

@Hms1103: I wondered if they would risk a second surface touchdown given that the surface is so rough and the sampling so risky. Thank you. Rowan Forest (talk) 17:56, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

Thank you for your diligent assistance in WP SF! Please do join us at the WP SF Discord server -- it's been invaluable for quick reviews and suggestions. Join Server Neopeius (talk) 20:06, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

It seems like a server outside of Wikipedia that requires creating an account. How is it better than then WP Spaceflight Project Talk page? Cheers, Rowan Forest (talk) 17:01, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Carbon monoxide biosignature for ET?

Seems Carbon Monoxide *may* be a biosignature for extraterrestrial life, according to scientists. - iac - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 21:32, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

@Drbogdan: Thanks! I read in this link that any gas in an atmosphere that seems out of geophysical context may be a potential biosignature. ("Habitability indicators and biosignatures must be interpreted within a planetary and environmental context." [2]) So I guess if CO is not explained in that context but is present, then it may be a potential biosignature for that particular exoplanet. Rowan Forest (talk) 00:45, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments - and reference - seems like an excellent way of thinking about all this imo as well - Thanks again - and - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 01:21, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

References

Life from Earth survives 18 months in outer space?

Of possible interest => Scientists report that life-forms from Earth survived 18 months living in outer space outside the International Space Station (ISS), as part of the BIOMEX studies related to the EXPOSE-R2 mission, suggesting that life could survive, theoretically, on the planet Mars.

That is part of the EXPOSE series of experiments on the ISS. BIOMEX actually measured the viability of spores and preservation of biosignatures. IMO, the extrapolations of life on Mars are highly speculative, but it does support some aspects of panspermia. Rowan Forest (talk) 21:43, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments - yes - interesting results: agreed, life on Mars may be a stretch atm; panspermia, however, may be in play so-to-speak - iac - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 22:08, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

References