User talk:Rowlandgarlander

The Tour of Life article is a mess

Hi there. Welcome to Wikipedia. While I admire your determination to start off by doing a major overhaul of a long-neglected article, you need to know that you created more problems than you solved. PLEASE do not edit on that page, or any other, until you have learnt something about how to write and edit on WP. I have had to re-write the entire article, remove a section that shouldn't have been inserted (the "why doesn't she tour anymore" speculation has no place in an encylopedia), wikilink every song you mentioned for which there is an individual article, as well as wikilink the names of the video, etc., change every "Kate" to "Bush" (we don't use first names here, as one may on a fan page), and deal with some very poor writing on top of all that. And you provided no edit summaries to explain why you did what you did, started no conversation on the Talk page to let people know you were about to start a massive rewrite, and have not included even one citation. Where, please, did you get all that moment-by-moment detail? I need to know (do not try to cite anything yourself--leave info about your sources on the article's Talk page). I am hoping you have set up your user account properly and will see this note--you should be notified of it via your email address, or see it if you return to WP. Again, I applaud your ambition, but it should have been matched with some experience, or the enlistment of assistance so that the problems could have been averted rather than repaired. It's going to be a long night--I'm only about halfway done. Thanks.--TEHodson 07:13, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

COPY OF REPLY ON MY TALK PAGE: ::If, as you say, there is no reliable source for a concert "synopsis", there probably shouldn't be one, as it would therefore bring up WP:OR and WP:Attribution issues. Where, please, did you get your information? Even if you got it from just watching a tape of the concert, citing that tape would be better than nothing. I have requested you let us know on the article't Talk page where you got your information so that it can be properly cited--I hope you will do so, as otherwise the concert summary will have to be reduced or removed to reflect what is verifiable. While edit summaries are not strictly required, they are a necessary part of the editing process, which here is done as a community, not solo, effort. Beginning conversations on the Talk page are a different story--anyone with any experience working here knows that the easiest and surest way to start trouble is to simply take over an article without giving notice and inviting collaboration. If you are doubtful of the amount of work required to make the article well-written, please do a comparison on the Revision History and see for yourself. It took hours. I was certainly out of patience with you (though I did commend you for taking on a long-neglected article) but if I am the rudest person you've ever met on the Internet, you've been incredibly fortunate. As you did not seem to notice my banner at the top of this page telling everyone that if I've left a message on your Talk page, please reply there, but instead replied here, I will copy this reply to your Talk page to ensure that you see it. Before I went to your Talk page, I started a discussion on the articles' Talk page. That is where this conversation should be happening.--TEHodson 20:12, 21 November 2011 (UTC)