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Individual pages for Astra satellites

Hi Satbuff, I would like to suggest that you merge all the individual pages for the satellites into the main page for SES Astra, as there is nothing notable about the satellites individually, and the information for each seems to be (a) limited; and (b) parallel in format to all the others. When you're done, blank the articles, and they will be deleted. Bongomatic (talk) 17:20, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

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Hi Russ, Thanks for telling me all this, and apologies to one and all for my complete ignorance of how to do this properly. I did appreciate the loss of history when I made the cut and paste move but didn't know how to avoid it - especially stupid considering how easy it is. D'oh! Well, I now know, and you will be pleased to hear I haven't done it wrong anywhere else - and I certainly won't do it wrong again! Satbuff (talk) 10:40, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

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I take the point about not merging all the SES subsidiaries into SES as it would make it unmanageable, so I agree an SES Astra memorial article is in order (!) However, I disagree about uses, services, etc on Astra (satellite); the article is not just about the fleet of satellite, it is about Astra – the satellite system, the broadcasting system, even the channels as a group - perceived as “Astra” by the satellite TV watching/buying public, and indeed still marketed as such by SES.

Just as the individual satellite articles give details of channels carried, markets reached, etc, so the Astra (satellite) article should give broadcast statistics, history such as Astra carried the first euro HD, etc. Plus, of course, this is the place to update these aspects of the article as time progresses (eg new broadcasting statistics, new milestones).

I believe the old logo (or similar) with a proper use rationale would meet policy on non-free content for the Astra (satellite) article?

Thanks for the advice on the refs – I will update the URLs and accessdates (everything else is, to my knowledge, OK as the SES archived copies mirror the SES Astra copies). Cheers Satbuff (talk) 12:27, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi Europe22, I was about to add a non-free rationale but you tagged the pic and popsted your message only 3 minutes after I uploaded it. However, I have now added the rationale, reduced the picture res and removed the tagging (I hope that's acceptable - you may want to check I've done all this right!). Thanks Satbuff (talk) 19:17, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi Satbuff ! Thank you for your message on my talk page. Sorry for my spontaneity to tag the file... :( Yes, your fair-use is valide, there is no problem now. Cheers, Europe22 (talk) 19:40, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

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Hi Polly, Thanks for your message/concern but this image IS now used - I uploaded it (yesterday) before I finished the article, ASTRA Platform Services (today). You were just too damn quick! Hopefully, all is now OK for the image to stay (see, poetry too) Satbuff (talk) 17:22, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

LNB article?

I was editing some of the LNB article as it was a bit light on the technological information and it didn't explain exactly how the sections worked together. There's a section in the Satellite TV article about the technology and its history but I don't want to use too much of that for the LNB article. Some of the multiple links to the terminology (Satnews/SatUniverse etc) could be a bit much and it might be better to limit them to Satnews's list. Satnews is probably the more authoritative site as it publishes the guides and books and has done for years. Jmccormac (talk) 16:28, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Astra

I've been looking at some of the changes you've made related to the merger of SES Astra into its parent company, and I would like to remind you that notability is not temporary. You seem to be trying to purge all reference to the old company, by rewriting SES Astra to be about the fleet of satellites, and changing "SES Astra" to "SES" in every article about the company. The company did exist, and it was notable, so an article on it should be retained, and in articles about individual spacecraft, for example, the change in ownership should be noted, rather than simply chaning all references to make it seem as the spacecraft in question was operated by the parent company since it became operational, which would be misleading. --W. D. Graham _{(previously GW)} 13:53, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi WDGraham, Thanks for your message and interest in my contributions. I'm not trying to "purge all reference to the old company", just trying to keep things current and accurate. I understand your concern for the permanence of notability, but the notability is surely for the company and not the name per se. The company that launched and operates the Astra satellites was originally called SES and is called SES now. In between, it had the name SES Astra. SES had and still has an article devoted to it (SES S.A.) and this details the change of name of part of that company to SES Astra for a period of its history.

I (now) appreciate that in some articles, using the name of the company at the time of the event/interaction makes more sense than using the current name. Thank you for making that clear. I think changing a link within an article from "SES Astra" to "SES S.A.|SES Astra" solves that problem – and is suitable for the likes of “1998 in spaceflight”, etc. However, many articles mentioning the company are concerned with the current state of affairs - and should be mentioned as SES, not SES Astra. Also, there are many articles (eg several of the individual spacecraft articles you refer to) concerned with a past interaction with the company that (until I changed them) reference "SES Astra" although the interaction was actually with SES, before the name change to SES Astra! These I shall keep as/change to SES.

While I have nothing against upholding the memory of the SES Astra name in its own article (and I see that you have created one from sections of Astra (satellite)), I believe that SES S.A. already covers this function and it is more useful for articles to link to SES S.A. where there are details of both the Astra section and the wider company.

What’s more I do not agree with the removal of much of the material from Astra (satellite) to SES Astra – references to the OnAstra website (this is not the company website - that was www.ses-astra.com and is now www.ses.com - but the consumer/viewer site for the Astra satellites), the broadcasting statistics (surely as much to do with the satellites as the company), the (ses astra logo 94.png) image (actually the logo for the satellites and not the company, used before SES Astra existed), HDTV, 3DTV, and so on.

I think that if a separate SES Astra article is required, it should be a simple brief affair to explain the name changes and direct to the two full articles that cover the company (SES S.A.) and the satellites (Astra (satellite)) in full.

Also as someone clearly more au fait with Wikipedia than me, you may be able to advise me on another problem - archived press releases on www.ses-astra.com are no longer available (as the site is gone) but they are available (and always have been) on www.ses.com so I want to update references linking to SES/Astra press releases to give their current location. What is the correct way to do this? - just change the URL, or leave a trail in some way of the update? Thanks Satbuff (talk) 10:39, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

SES Astra was a subsidiary of SES, so they were different companies. I believe that both are notable, and if the history of all SES subsidiaries (World Skies, New Skies, Americom, Sirius, etc) were merged into the parent article, it would be too long. I also think that information on services the company provides would be better placed in an article about the company, whilst the article about the fleet of satellites should concentrate on the satellites themselves. I removed the logo because its use in the article about the satellites did not meet with Wikipedia policy on non-free content. With the references, just update the links, although it might be useful to check that the title, publisher and date fields of the {{cite web}} template are correct for the new reference, and you should obviously update the accessdate parameter. --W. D. Graham _{(previously GW)} 11:33, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

I take the point about not merging all the SES subsidiaries into SES as it would make it unmanageable, so I agree an SES Astra memorial article is in order (!) However, I disagree about uses, services, etc on Astra (satellite); the article is not just about the fleet of satellite, it is about Astra – the satellite system, the broadcasting system, even the channels as a group - perceived as “Astra” by the satellite TV watching/buying public, and indeed as marketed by SES. Just as the individual satellite articles give details of channels carried, markets reached, etc, so the Astra (satellite) article should give broadcast statistics, history such as Astra carried the first euro HD, etc. Plus, of course, this is the place to update these aspects of the article as time progresses (eg new broadcasting statistics, new milestones).

I believe the old logo (or similar) with a proper use rationale would meet policy on non-free content for the Astra (satellite) article?

Thanks for the advice on the refs – I will update the URLs and accessdates (everything else is, to my knowledge, OK as the SES archived copies mirror the SES Astra copies). Cheers Satbuff (talk) 12:27, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

I think Astra (satellite) should cover the technical aspects, but not the commerical aspects of the system. The products and services should be included in the company article, hence the products and services provided by SES Astra should be included in SES Astra, and anything which is still provided post-merger should also be covered in SES S.A.. Astra (satellite) should contain a list of satellites, details on their posistions, deployment and capacities, and touch on their applications, and then articles on the individual spacecraft (Astra 1A, Astra 1B, etc) should cover the specific details of each satellite. I wouldn't see the SES Astra article acting as a "memorial" to the company - it should serve in exactly the same capacity as it did pre-merger. --W. D. Graham _{(previously GW)} 22:23, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

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Astra 2F

Hi Satbuf. I've started a conversation over on Talk:Astra 2F to discuss the active transponders list on Astra 2F. Since you recently updated that article section, I thought you might want to be aware. Cheers. N2e (talk) 12:33, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi N2e. I've added to the conversation (and undone most of what you found confusing - which it was!). Thanks Satbuff (talk) 18:21, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

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Conflict of interest in Wikipedia

Hi Satbuff. I mostly edit articles about health, and also work on conflict of interest issues here in Wikipedia. Your edit to Telemedicine caught my eye, and led me to look at your contribs. They are pretty much all about SES S.A. and its satellites, and deal rarely if at all, it seems, with other satellite companies.

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Wikipedia is a widely-used reference work and managing conflict of interest is essential for ensuring the integrity of Wikipedia and retaining the public's trust in it. As in academia, COI is managed here in two steps - disclosure and a form of peer review. Please note that there is no bar to being part of the Wikipedia community if you want to be involved in articles where you have a conflict of interest;; there are just some things we ask you to do (and if you are paid, some things you need to do).

Disclosure is the most important, and first, step. While I am not asking you to disclose your identity (anonymity is strictly protecting by our WP:OUTING policy) would you please disclose if you have some connection with SES or its subsidiaries or parent? You can answer how ever you wish (giving personally identifying information or not), but if there is a connection, please disclose it. After you respond (and you can just reply below), perhaps we can talk a bit about editing Wikipedia, to give you some more orientation to how this place works. Please reply here - I am watching this page. Thanks again for your patience with this. Jytdog (talk) 20:08, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Jytdog. I have no connection to SES (or any of its subsidiaries) and do not work in satellite TV, satellites, broadcasting, etc. My Wikipedia contributions are prompted by an active personal interest in satellite TV, and satellite technology which goes back over 30 years. I am something of a satellite TV evangelist or anorak (depending on your view) and I have written (outside Wikipedia) on the subject (the technology, channels) in the past.

I first contributed to Wikipedia to counter the huge US bias in Wikipedia's coverage of satellite internet that I found at the time (I was getting into satellite internet then) and continued contributing to try to expel some of the (mainly technical/practical) myths widely held by users of satellite TV (in the UK, at least - where I live). This led to pages, and contributions to pages, on parts of a satellite system, individual satellites, broadcasting, channels, networks, etc. (I’ve also contributed to pages far removed from satellite TV but satellite TV is predominantly my thing).

Many of these pages relate to SES because, put simply, anything to do with UK/European satellite TV (I’m not really interested in satellite TV in the US or Asia) is dominated by SES (and also by Sky but there are so many, many people editing/correcting/adding to any mention of Sky, I largely leave them to it). I have found myself as an ongoing updater/corrector of about 20 of these pages (SES S.A. and Astra satellites) and it’s these that account for the vast majority of my contributions - the same pages updated again and again. No, I don't update pages of all other satellite companies (although I have made contributions to quite a few of them) because they don't, mostly, affect UK/European satellite TV and so I have much less knowledge of/interest in them.

Many of the pages I have started/edited (satellite TV technologies, channels, etc) do not directly relate to SES but they can contain references to SES. In retrospect, I see this has been exacerbated by the fact that I frequently find ‘triggers’ for my contributions from SES (I visit the SES website regularly to help keep abreast of satellite TV events/developments), and so my subsequent contributions often use an SES reference/citation. The Telemedicine contribution is a case in point – several mentions of telemedicine and eHealth in Africa in SES’ news sparked my interest and I looked into it some more, found Wikipedia’s coverage included little about Africa and so I added and referenced my short piece about what I had found (and I hope that others, more knowledgeable than me, will develop it).

Thanks for ploughing through all this; I hope it helps you get where I'm coming from. Many of my contributions will continue to feature SES, not least because I shall continue to update the SES-related pages I ‘look after’ (I'm about to update the SES S.A. page from the annual report issued the other day) but I see that I should make my contributions in general less SES-centric.Satbuff (talk) 13:18, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply and sorry for the late reply. Makes sense to me and thanks for tolerating the inquiry. :) Jytdog (talk) 07:40, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

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Not that friendly when it comes from an annonymous contributor who has vandalised pages repeatedly. Also, not that smart when it ignores the enquiry, above! Satbuff (talk) 11:16, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

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Hi Seraphim System. I've been away from Wiki for a while so only just seen this. Can you tell me what the copyright violation was/is (I'm probably being dumb but I can't see it) so I can correct/work around it. Thanks Satbuff (talk) 11:09, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

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I closely copied a couple of sentences from a cited news story, which was itself almost entirely lifted from the subject company's press release so I thought it fair game!. Nonetheless, I have reworded my edit to avoid any infringement and switched to citing the press release instead of the news story. BTW a happy upshot of your action was to make me study the news story more closely and notice an error, which I had repeated (and now have corrected) so thanks for that! Satbuff (talk) 16:37, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

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Please help me with... deleting the page, O3b. I've never requested a page deletion before and I'm confused by the procedure and the various Help pages!

I think O3b can be speedily deleted under criterium G14 as it is an article page with a disambiguation function, that is not required - the 3 articles linked to from this page (O3b MEO, O3b mPOWER and O3b Networks are related to one another and each contain "about" hatnotes to redirect readers if necessary.

I think the whole topic here is well described by the content of O3b MEO and that article would be better titled "O3b" so I wanted to rename (move) O3b MEO to O3b to achieve this - but as O3b already exists (to no purpose!), I couldn't do that. I don't want to just merge O3b MEO into O3b as this would effectively lose the large/valuable history of O3b MEO.

So, I propose deleting O3b so I can subsequently move O3b MEO to that title (and then sort out all the links!) ... but there may be a better way to achieve this?. Satbuff (talk) 16:56, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

@Satbuff, do you want me to go ahead and nom it for you under G14? — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 17:39, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Simply place a {{db}} template at the top of the page, which will categorize it into an appropriate Speedy Deletion category. Administrators who regularly check these categories may delete the page. In this case, under CSD G14, place the {{db-g14}} template at the top of the page and click "Publish changes". There exists different CSD templates for each criterion, i.e. {{db-u1}} for user-requested deletions and {{db-f8}} for local files on Commons. You can notify the creator of the page by placing {{subst:Db-disambig-notice|O3b|header=1}} on their talk page. TGHL ↗ 🍁 19:09, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Berrely and TGHL ↗ for your speedy and helpful replies. I have taken the plunge and now (hopefully!) done it myself. Satbuff (talk) 10:55, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

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