User talk:Sc.helm/Human rights in Turkey

Comparison with current version, and some proposals

Current Version

1. International and domestic legislation
2. Common violations
   1. Political party bans, freedom of association
   2. Extrajudicial killings
      1. Violence against journalists and intellectuals
3. Individual rights
   1. Capital punishment
   2. Gender equality
   3. Freedom of expression and freedom of the press
      1. Legislation
      2. Trials
      3. Minority languages
   4. Freedom of religion
   5. lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender rights
   6. Disabled citizens
   7. Conscientious objection
4. Ethnic rights
   1. Kurdish people
5. Workers' rights
6. European Court of Human Rights judgments
7. See also
8. References

Sc.helm's draft

1. International and domestic legislation
2. Main Issues
   1. The Right to Life
      1. Capital punishment
      2. Extra-judicial executions
      3. Unsolved Killings
      4. "Disappearances"
   2. Torture
      1. Deaths in Custody
      2. Prison conditions
   3. Freedom of Religion
   4. Freedom of Expression
      1. Conscientious objection
      2. Quotes on Free Opinion in Turkey
      3. Further information on free speech
   5. Freedom of Assembly
   6. Freedom of Association
3. Further Issues
   1. Women
   2. LGBT
   3. Ethnic rights
   4. Kurdish people
   5. Disabled citizens
   6. Hate Crimes
   7. Internally displaced persons
   8. European Court of Human Rights judgments
4. See also
5. Weblinks
6. References

Sebastian’s changes

1. Commitment to international human rights law
   1. European Court of Human Rights judgments
2. The Right to Life
   1. Capital punishment
   2. Extra-judicial executions
   3. Unsolved Killings
   4. "Disappearances"
3. Treatment of prisoners
   • move part of what is now in Prison conditions here
   1. Torture
   2. Deaths in Custody
      • move text about deaths from Prison conditions here
   3. Prison conditions
4. Freedom of Religion
5. Freedom of Expression
   1. Conscientious objection
   2. Quotes on Free Opinion in Turkey
   3. Further information on free speech
6. Freedom of Assembly
7. Freedom of Association
8. Ethnic rights
   1. Kurdish people
   2. Hate Crimes
   3. Minority languages
9. Discrimination (other than ethnic)
   1. Women
   2. LGBT
   3. Disabled citizens
10. Internally displaced persons
11. Workers' rights
12. See also
13. Weblinks
14. References

I added a third column above with some changes that I would suggest. — Sebastian 18:16, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I readded the section "Workers' rights", because these are covered in the UDHR (Article 23). I also readded "Minority languages" because I believe at least its text should be somewhere under Ethnic rights. — Sebastian 18:37, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Your suggestions are fine overall. My general problem with the page is the fact that it is very long. A solution could be to have certain sections presented in detail on separate pages, some of which exist already. However, most of the existing ones would need a thorough editing. Examples are Human rights of Kurdish people in Turkey and Freedom of religion in Turkey. For the latter I drafted a new version under User:Sc.helm/Freedom of religion in Turkey, but find it hard to do that on all possible subjects ("Torture in Turkey" could become a separate page for instance).

The passage on "Minority languages" mainly concerns the Kurdish languages and as such is mentioned in a different form on Human rights of Kurdish people in Turkey. The section is incomplete on the current page Human rights in Turkey. "Workers' right" could be part of a page on "Trade Unions in Turkey" (a category but no such page exists). The page on Economy of Turkey has no such section either. In short, I agree on inclusion, even though this makes the article longer again.

To my mind, "torture" should remain a separate issue and no subsection of "treatment of prisoners" (the ban of torture is a specific provision in international conventions). The deaths in prisons can be moved to the "deaths in custody" section. "Hate crimes" are not only related to "ethnic rights" and should be a subsection of "discrimination". The move of the judgments of the ECtHR is ok. Thanks again. Let's see for how long you remain the only one spending visible thoughts on the subject. Sc.helm (talk) 10:20, 22 October 2009 (UTC)