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Please don't sneakingly delete content without discussion.

In this diff here [1] you wrote in the log that you reverted an edit, whereas in reality you reverted one edit and deleted a tag requesting a citation without discussion. I ~kindly ask you to please not do this anymore. Tpylkkö (talk) 20:05, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

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List of important publications in anthropology

Hi Schrauwers, it has been requested by Cnilep that List of important publications in anthropology be moved to Bibliography of anthropology. Your comments on this request are most welcome. Please see Talk:List of important publications in anthropology#Requested move. And thanks again for your work on Economic anthropology. Would you be interested in adding a section on economic anthropology as part of the list of important publications in anthropology? Anthrophilos (talk) 22:30, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

About gift economy

Hi, I noticed that after I arranged the lead so that it has intext attribution wikipedia:INTEXT, you noticed that "some" was not actually referring to Parry, and added another reference. While previously my request for such attribution may have seemed over-pedantic, I hope that you would now be more inclined to understand why I requested such input. When, for example, a paragraph has a source mentioned in a statement in its beginning, and then makes some middle statements and finally has a last statement, and two sources are mentioned at first and at last, it then leaves the "stuff in the middle" orphaned in such a way that it is not necessarily clear to the uninitiated reader which source in the paragraph they come from. Instead of using a boring citation style where every sentence is considered a "proposition" or something that has to be exactly sourced, even when the source is the same, one can simply write in a style in which gives attribution to the sources. Also, it is better, in my opinion to avoid weasel words wikipedia:weasel like "some say", "most people believe" and so on altogether. I hope you have no hard feelings about some of the disputes, I am new here, you know. Tpylkkö (talk) 07:46, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

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Hello, I'm 128.214.200.181. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions to Political Economy in anthropology because it didn't appear constructive. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Pleas always explain reverts you perform according to [2]

Hello anonymous IP address from Helsinki 128.214.200.181. I note that you reverted the same edit as anonymous IP address from Helsinki 62.142.58.210 and anonymous IP address 88.114.154.216 below. I can't help but notice that even when a valid reason for the edit is provided, it is reverted.Schrauwers (talk) 17:49, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I ask you to not revert other people entries without explanation. Please do so in the future. You can do this by giving an edit summary, or you can use the talk page. Here you did neither: [3] 62.142.58.210 (talk) 12:07, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Please always explain when you delete content.

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to gift economy, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.114.154.216 (talk) 16:49, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Hello anonymous IP address from Helsinki 88.114.154.216. I note that you reverted the same edit as anonymous IP address from Helsinki 62.142.58.210 below. I can't help but notice that even when a valid reason for the edit is provided, it is reverted.Schrauwers (talk) 17:49, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Please remember to explain removal of content

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did at gift economy, you may be blocked from editing. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.142.58.210 (talk) 15:27, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello anonymous Helsinki IP address. I changed the wording to clarify that intellectual property rights is an example. As I wrote the sentence, and it was judged not clear, this does not constitute a disruptive edit, but an edit.Schrauwers (talk) 15:44, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I was refering to undiscussed removal of content. Please be sure to give a reason when doing so. Thanks. 62.142.58.210 (talk) 16:33, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

There was no removal of content. I replaced "This is demonstrated" with "An example is the". The sources (3) are listed.Schrauwers (talk) 17:05, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

In this edit [4] you remove content that was recently added but don not explain this in the discussion, nor the edit summary. Please do not do this anymore. 62.142.58.210 (talk) 12:16, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Not able to log on

Schrauwers, I am not able to log on from this computer with my account, perhaps because this computer is already used by some other wikipedian. Just to make things clear. Tpylkkö 88.114.154.216 (talk) 11:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Now it works again. I was using a computer that is used by maybe hundreds of people, and this might be a part of the reason. I have no idea how Wikipedia deals with public computers like this. Tpylkkö (talk) 11:05, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Template:Anthropology

Hello, S. Please revert this if you disagree. Between you & CsDix, wow: -- great-looking sidebar already. My point was that shorter text lines provide permutations and combinations (other than alphabetic] for suggesting a narrative about the subject. Thx. --Thomasmeeks (talk) 20:19, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

That was queek. I understand your immediate concerns, but could I just have a chance to consider your comments in more detail. It's more than just that sidebar that's at issue, but I think that it would help maintain the integrity of what there. Thank you.

Oops. Too late. I've been in the heat of it before, so I know what it's like. Really this ought to be on Talk page of the sidebar of sidebar. Is it something that I could discuss with you, CsDix, et al. here or elsewhere after I've had a chance to consider your remarks? Thx. --TM 20:53, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

OK. A lot on your & CsDix's plate. Very sad. --Thomasmeeks (talk)

Kinship add on

Hey- thanks for your kinship side bar on the feminist anthropology page! It looks great. Only problem is I'm trained as a linguistic anthropologist and don't know terribly much about kinship (aside from Levi-Strauss, women are symbolic vehicles and not real human beings, etc.). I'd love it if you could work on the cultural anthropology section of the page regarding feminist kinship work! Also, if you're interested, and in the US, I'm organizing a workshop on writing women anthropologists into wikipedia at AAA this year - I'd love to have another wikipedian on the panel! Thebrycepeake (talk) 06:28, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

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Ritual

Just wanted to leave a note of appreciation for your efforts at Ritual. Too often, editors either avoid these basic but difficult topics, or dismantle them into content-fork fragments. What you're doing is really hard. Best wishes, Cynwolfe (talk) 18:57, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, the feedback is appreciated.Schrauwers (talk) 01:26, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

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	Hi Schrauwers, thanks for your expansion on the stub I created - It seems I hit an area in which you have considerable expertise! Overall I want to thank you for your many contributions to anthropology related articles, you really do great work. User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 15:35, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Polygamy in fiction and popular culture

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Hello, I actually agree this deserves speedy deletion. It was a section on the main polygamy page, and it made no sense to include fictional examples on an anthropology/sociology/history/religion page. Rather than blank the section I thought it might be best to give it a life of its own.Schrauwers (talk) 22:58, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

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polyandry

the souces brought don't discuss the issue, and as one of my sociology professors said "polyandry isn't a woman marrying multiple men, it's a multiple men married and subjugating one woman. Feminism is nice, but in descriptions of reality, we need to say it like it is. There should be a section there discussing this disconnect, but I have not the time to delve into it. 93.173.130.211 (talk) 08:19, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

The page is incomplete, and I will get back to it soon. The literature on the subject is largely anthropological, not sociological. Your professor clearly subscribed to the "universal subordination of women" thesis. However, as you say, we need to say it like it is. Cross-culturally, there are examples of polyandry where a woman marries two unrelated men. The source of women's subjection is not always through marriage - consider how it may be accomplished through siblingship instead in matrilineal societies with matrilocal residence.Schrauwers (talk) 14:13, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

marriage reversion..

What was the rationale for adding the unsourced addition to the definition of marriage back into the article? Nickmxp (talk) 17:14, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

The addition is not unsourced. I would refer you to the lengthy section in the article on marriage law.Schrauwers (talk) 23:51, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

a quick search for the word contract in the marriage law section is only found in a quip about common law marriages... and it is also unsourced...Nickmxp (talk) 00:23, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Odd, I get 19 mentions of marriage contract in the article. The source mentions culture; the article social and ritual ties instead. There is much to quibble about other than the contractual nature of marriage.Schrauwers (talk) 03:49, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

I agree, which is why I wondered about the reverting of my correction... to me there is just too many ors in the sentence in the first place... and the legal contract between two people just doesn't make grammatical sense.. I raised many points on the talk page with no response... so maybe you can explain the contractual nature of marriage... Nickmxp (talk) 12:10, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

I agree the grammar is a mess, but not in the deletion for that reason. I did a major edit of the page months ago, trying to bring order to chaos, and was not focussed then on adding additional references (what there was requires a major edit in itself). I have let the page sit since that first effort to allow the frayed nerves of those who lived through my slash and burn edit to settle. It may be time for the addition of material on marriage contract as you ask. It might help if someone went through the whole article and made a list of all the inconsistencies on the talk page.Schrauwers (talk) 13:31, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

But why do you support the inclusion of material that's not in the source cited... surely it would seem reasonable to use the definition provided... the lack of calling it a contract in the source gives the impression of original research being added to the source.. also I believe there is a misunderstanding on the phrase contracting marriage... it do believe it is more in the context of like contracting the flu.. not a statement of an actual contract between two people.. that's is a demonstrably false understanding... which might be why it's not mentioned in the source... Nickmxp (talk) 15:14, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

I have actually taught from Haviland for years, and the brief quotation given in the footnote is not all he has to say. Marriage is a legal contract - there are 21 legal rights and obligations in Canada associated with signing that marriage register. While some might liken marriage to contracting a cold, the metaphor shouldn't be taken literally.Schrauwers (talk) 00:55, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Awesome then you have some experience ... could you explain how it is a contract ? Take Canada for example... you state there are 21 legal rights and obligations associated with signing that register... tommorow there could be 22... or 21.. or none, but still a general recognition... now my understanding of a contract is that it is an agreement... Signing a registar isn't an agreement... it's not functional as an agreement... given that over our life times.. our marrige will not change... (making it a status) but the rights and obligations do...also when you factor in divorce (another status) it makes it even more apparent that the register is not a contract....also there is the issue of marriage cerificates... which are by definition a statement of fact...proof that you were married by someone... I guess what I am failing to see here is how this is view in any sense as an agreement between two people...(throw common law marriage into the mix and I'm completly lost) could you please explain?Nickmxp (talk) 01:15, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

I guess my main hang up is that I'm failing to see the difference between say, having a child and getting married...both get issued certificates...both grant rights and obligations...both can be dissolved... yet marriage is considered a contract.. and parenting isn't... surely it would seem reasonable to note it properly as a legal/social status, rather than a contract... would it not? it would seem that globally it is the status which is recognized by both societies and governing institutes...it also makes a more reasonable explanation as to why laws regarding marriage are so obtuse, when looking at it in terms of acquiring a legal status rather than terms of what constitutes a legal agreement... cause generally the law makes no stipulations on what agreements must be made but rather on what conditions must be met... yet we seem to steer clear of the word status... why? I'm sorry if I'm bugging you but this is truly puzzling to me Nickmxp (talk) 01:43, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

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Owenism Article

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I'm getting in touch as I work at New Lanark World Heritage Site, a village and cotton mill run from 1800-1825 by Robert Owen before he moved to the US to found New Harmony. I was hoping you might consider editing the Owenism wiki page to include information about New Lanark? The name of New Lanark is synonymous with Owen and his social philosophy in matters such as progressive education, factory reform, humane working practices, international cooperation, and garden cities, which was to have a profound influence on social developments throughout the 19th century and beyond. Owenism, utopianism, philanthropy, cooperation, communitarianism, industrial capitalism, concepts of the sublime landscape, and models for modern conservation partnerships were all shaped at New Lanark. It really was the birth place and testing ground for the ideas that led to the development of all other Owenite Utopian communities.

I would make the edits myself but I don't know how and don't want to make a mess of it!

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Article upgrade assistance request (Pre-translation stage)

Seasons Greetings,

Hi, i obsrved you have supported article Cultural anthropology well enough. I am looking for support for a relatively new umbrella article on en-wikipedia named Ceremonial pole. At this stage, undersigned seeks your help specially to improve defenition and lead sections of the article.

Ceremonial pole is a human tradition since ancient times; either existed in past at some point of time, or still exists in some cultures across global continents from north to south & from east to west. Ceremonial poles are used to symbolize a variety of concepts in several different world cultures.

Through article Ceremonial pole we intend to take encyclopedic note of cultural aspects and festive celebrations and dances around Ceremonial pole as an umbrella article and want to have historical, mythological, anthropological aspects, reverence or worships wherever concerned as a small part.

While Ceremonial poles have a long past and strong presence but usually less discussed subject. Even before we seek translation of this article in global languages, we need to have more encyclopedic information/input about Ceremonial poles from all global cultures and languages. And we seek your assistance in the same.

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