User talk:Seckle

Dubstep

Please stop adding links to forums on Wikipedia. A forum is not acceptable as a link on a Wikipedia article. See the policy on Exteranl Links on Wikipedia. Escaper7 11:04, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

excellent work on the dubstep article today man! been a while since i've had a chance to do any serious development to it. i think maybe the lades of dubstep section could do with merging into a section (we don't have a 'ladies of techno' or 'ladies of grime' section in the relevant articles :P) but that's a minor thing. big up! --Kaini (talk) 17:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

i'm just gonna tidy up a bit for now, might have a go at restructuring tonight with a few biftas :) here's a very handy tool for making good references easily, by the way; i made all the martin clark refs in the article using it, cos well-formed and consistent refs are one of the prerequisites for a front-page article. again, great work man, keep it up! --Kaini (talk) 18:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

a few pointers from WP:MOS (a good read) - only wikilink the first instance of an article - ie if an article mentions skream 25 times, you only link the first mention of him. and don't capitalize genre nouns like Dubstep or Glitch. hope ya don't think i'm givin you shit cos i'm not, seriously chuffed to see the article getting developed. have a read of the manual of style i linked above! --Kaini (talk) 23:07, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

good to see you back around! i've done a bit of copyediting on your additions so they pass various wiki things - primarily WP:MOS and WP:NPOV... i've also been thinking about a rewrite of the intro paragraph. it doesn't really get across what it is supposed to get across, it's a very nebulous definition/intro - any suggestions are welcome :) --Kaini (talk) 21:35, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

i retitled the section too, but it's still a bit clunky. and to be honest i think the inclusion of the stagnation of a portion of the scene is worth mentioning too - whilst i'm loving joker and that new burial/4tet joint, there are a lot of skream/ruskspa-alikes out there ;) --Kaini (talk) 21:38, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Clunky is a good word for it. :) Its definitely too dense, and I'm slowly starting to find a way to condense things. Especially in the Yearly history sections. Thanks for you help Kaini! :) Seckle (talk) 20:58, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

December 2010

hey, seckle... indeed, the external links section has been added to and removed from many times since we last spoke - i do my best to keep a handle on it, but there's only so much one person can do. feel free to trim away external links at your discretion; it would be good for the article.
regarding the removal of the dubstepforum link and martyn's blog - if you check my most recent posts (a month or two back, iirc) on dubstepforum, i have discussed at least the former there. and whilst i may agree with you, the consensus of editors in general on wikipedia may be different (and dubstepforum is mentioned in the article, regardless). what this means? feel free to re-add both - i certainly won't revert your changes - but you may have a bit of a debate on your hands with other editors. --Kaini (talk) 23:19, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

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Dubstep - opening para

hey seckle/filelakeshoe... something i've spoken about with martin clark before - and that i am presently reconsidering - is the opening paragraph of the dubstep article. it could definitely use improvement. in a way it doesn't say much about what dubstep sounds like - instead, what it is busy doing is establishing notability, who coined the phrase, where the sound came from, and that sort of thing. here it is, broken down:

Dubstep is a genre of electronic music that has its roots in London's early 2000s UK garage scene.

this statement is fine - what this article is about, in a broad sense, and some context.

Musically, dubstep is distinguished by its dark mood, sparse rhythms, and emphasis on bass.

this could do with improvement - it's OK, i guess, and sort of explains the difference between, say, dubstep and psy-trance, but it could be a hell of a lot better.

Dubstep started to spread beyond small local scenes in late 2005 and early 2006, with many websites devoted to the genre appearing on the Internet and thus aiding the growth of the scene, such as dubstepforum, the download site Barefiles and blogs such as gutterbreakz.

this is where the problem becomes apparent - i'm reading this article for the first time. whilst things like sources, asserting notability, and the internet as a disseminating factor in the spread of the genre are undoubtedly important, a first-time reader of the article has no interest in this. his concerns are more along the line of "what is it?".

Simultaneously, the genre was receiving extensive coverage in music magazines such as The Wire and online publications such as Pitchfork Media, with a regular feature entitled The Month In: Grime/Dubstep.

same problem as before. i think i actually wrote this sentence :)

Interest in dubstep grew significantly after BBC Radio 1 DJ Mary Anne Hobbs started championing the genre, beginning with a show devoted to it (entitled "Dubstep Warz") in January 2006.

and again, same problem... notability paranoia..

it's now a big, stable article. there is plenty of space to include all this stuff. the opening paragraph should include more references to other musics, more descriptive stuff regarding what this music actually sounds like.

e.g.

House music is a style of electronic dance music that originated in Chicago, Illinois, USA in the late 1970s and early 1980s. It was initially popularized in mid-1980s discothèques catering to the African-American,[1] Latino,[1] and gay[1][2][3] communities, first in Chicago, then in New York City and Detroit. It eventually reached Europe before becoming infused in mainstream pop & dance music worldwide. House music is strongly influenced by elements of soul- and funk-infused varieties of disco. House music generally mimics disco's percussion, especially the use of a prominent bass drum on every beat, but may feature a prominent synthesizer bassline, electronic drums, electronic effects, funk and pop samples, and reverb- or delay-enhanced vocals.

Psychedelic rock is a style of rock music that is inspired or influenced by psychedelic culture, or attempts to replicate the mind-altering experiences of hallucinogenic drugs.[1] It emerged during the mid 1960s among garage and folk rock bands in Britain and the United States. Psychedelic rock bridged the transition from early blues-based rock to progressive rock, art rock, experimental rock and heavy metal; and also drew on non-Western sources such as Indian music's ragas and sitars.

Drum and bass (commonly abbreviated to d&b, DnB, dnb, d'n'b, drum n bass, drum & bass, dNb), also known as jungle, is a type of electronic dance music which emerged in the late 1980s. The genre is characterized by fast breakbeats (typically between 165–185 bpm, occasional variation is noted in older compositions), with heavy sub-bass lines. Drum and bass began as an offshoot of the United Kingdom rave scene of the very early 1990s. Over the first decade of its existence, the incorporation of elements from various musical genres lent to many permutations in its overall style.

before i make any big edits, i'm very open to suggestions on how to improve the lede of the article! --Kaini (talk) 23:34, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

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DJ Fresh

Hey, can I trouble you for your opinion on Talk:Dubstep#DJ_Fresh_-_Louder:_Not_Dubstep? - filelakeshoe 19:08, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

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