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Johann Dzierzon[edit]

Please see this discussion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Johann_Dzierzon#Requested_move If you would like "to remove the resultas of "Kulturkampf" ", please first gain consensus on the discussion page. The simple fact is that English language sources use Johann Dzierzon more than they use the Polish name and that is what matters to WP: politics are irrelevant. Varsovian (talk) 15:49, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The simple fact is that English language sources use Johann Dzierzon more than they use the Polish name - except that is completely false: "Johann Dzierzon" bee - 96 hits [1], "Jan Dzierzon" bee - 389 hits [2], other Data dredging Google books searches not withstanding.radek (talk) 16:05, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Do feel free to use that evidence in a request for a move of the article. And kindly refrain from following me around wikipedia. The type of aggressive wikistalking that was one of the hallmarks of the EEML will not drive me away, so don't even bother trying it. Varsovian (talk) 16:14, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop making personal attacks, it's getting really tiresome. This isn't your talk page.radek (talk) 16:30, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Stop following me around WP. You have edited in response to every single one of my edits today, that is close to wikistalking (although it is not actually wikistalking quite yet). Varsovian (talk) 16:36, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Historical facts no puzzling rules for manipulation[edit]

>>>Please see this discussion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Johann_Dzierzon#Requested_move

And who is the PeterSymonds (talk) 11:46, 7 April 2010 (UTC) that he set up some restrictions.

>>>If you would like "to remove the resultas of "Kulturkampf" ", please first gain consensus on the discussion page.

Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia and I need not any consensus to introduce historical facts.

>>> The simple fact is that English language sources use Johann Dzierzon more than they use the Polish name and that is what matters to WP: politics are irrelevant.

And vice versa you act is political too. Maybe you do not like Polishes.

>>>Do feel free to use that evidence in a request for a move of the article. And kindly refrain from following me around wikipedia. The type of aggressive wikistalking that was one of the hallmarks of the EEML will not drive me away, so don't even bother trying it. Varsovian (talk) 16:14, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

I do not see it as aggressive I welcome Radek here. Varsovian please answer in scientific way with historical facts not by puzzling and doubtful “rules”.

>>>Please stop making personal attacks, it's getting really tiresome. This isn't your talk page.radek (talk) 16:30, 20 July 2010 (UTC) Stop following me around WP. You have edited in response to every single one of my edits today, that is close to wikistalking (although it is not actually wikistalking quite yet). Varsovian (talk) 16:36, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Dzierzon said: “prawda, prawda ponad wszystko, falsz i klamstwo przemina a prawda pozostamie” If it remind you somthing Varsovian? But I think you know actually nothing about Dzierzon you act politicly. Instead historical fact however you use "political correct rules".

--Showasw (talk) 18:15, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You seem not to fully understand how Wikipedia works. Disputes on Wikipedia are settled by achieving consensus. If undisputed historical facts are on your side, then you will have no trouble building the required consensus. Baldly asserting that you don't need consensus because historical facts are on your side is not going to help you, however. You have to convince people that your understanding of the facts is correct.

Personally, I don't know anything about Dzierzon and don't care at all about either beekeeping or Poland. I do care, however, about Wikipedia, and about good article structure. The lead sentence of the article must start by using the name that is the title of the article. If you want to change the first sentence to highlight the Polish version of his name, you must get consensus to move the article to the corresponding title first. There is no other option here.

Now, as to the facts: I'm open to argument that the Polish form of his name should be used (both in the lead, and in the article title). You have to make a good argument for the change, though, and it has to be based on English sources, not Polish ones.--Srleffler (talk) 03:34, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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I think you Srleffler do not understand how Wikipedia works. I make change give a historical fact, if sombody has resonable contadiction should give one and build discussion. You say you know nothing about Dizerzon but block discussion and taht it is. It is radiculous cut off changes. Please give up you action Srleffler. --Showasw (talk) 17:04, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]