User talk:Sino-Malay
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penis removal article[edit]
I am sure you will be duly informed that people are trying to ressurect the list at Penis removal. If the editor complains on the talk page, we may need to put this up to a vote again.Bunser (talk) 02:18, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. TNXMan 15:15, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Sino-Malay (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I'm not abusing multiple accounts. Its not my fault if someone else uses the same proxy as me. (I am using one now, someone else probably signed in with an account on this proxy which is why i was just blocked) I ALWAYS use a proxy for all my internet usage, not just wikipedia, since I don't want my ip address to be snooped by advertisers when I visit websites, or recorded on internet forums, and believe me, this proxy is pretty open (to alot of people). Secondly, if the accounts you are talking about ARE my sockpuppets, I am still not in violation of sockpuppet policy, because I am not evading an existing block (I was never blocked before with this account, and I was not using multiple accounts to do things like vote many times) I will even give you the proxy ip address I am using- 199.19.108.153 If I am unblocked, I will agree to stop using the proxy. I have just taken a look at the other editors who I am accused of socking (Tnxman307 didn't inform me who they were i had to look in his edit history) they are User:Nufaiyrs, User:Sehidhen, and User:Beajhure. Our edit histories show no overlap, Nufaiyrs looks like he is definitly another person, I don't know about Beajhure and Sehidhen but if they are socks of each other, they are not in violation of the policy since they aren't using it for abuse (such as submitting multiple votes to gain concensus).Sino-Malay (talk) 19:34, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Use of open proxies to edit Wikipedia is not permitted. In any event, you are using multiple accounts, as checkuser shows more than just the IP address you're using. You, and a handful of other accounts, are all using the same computer at the same time. Hersfold (t/a/c) 03:32, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
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And I point out once more that none of us were involved in vote stacking, block evasion, so what was the rationale for the block? Why would I open another account to edit in a totally different topic area when I am not blocked and don't need to submit multiple votes?Sino-Malay (talk) 19:52, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
See -Wikipedia:SOCK#Sharing_an_IP_address and Wikipedia:SOCK#Inappropriate_uses_of_alternative_accounts, according to these rules, even if they were my sock accounts, I still would not have been blocked. And I mentioned above that I use a proxy, they are not my accounts, someone else (or several people) signed in on the same proxy.Sino-Malay (talk) 20:04, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
{{unblock|reason=I created this template because for some reason I am not showing up in the category of users with unblock requests on "Category:Requests for unblock". See above unblock template for first unblock request, which no one is answering. [[User:Sino-Malay|Sino-Malay]] ([[User talk:Sino-Malay#top|talk]]) 02:54, 27 March 2012 (UTC)}}
One unblock request at a time please - and be patient as it may take several days to receive a response. Bmusician 03:30, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry about that, I assumed that Beajhure was someone else far away (speaking iof cyberspace). I share this computer with other people (roomates), and I didn't realize they might be editing wikipedia with it. I never talked to them about my wikipedia activities, and they might have looked into my internet history and obtained the proxy as well as my computer. I will check on them to see if one of them did it.Sino-Malay (talk) 03:39, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Actually I know who Beajhure is already since I saw him using the computer.Sino-Malay (talk) 03:52, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Sino-Malay (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
Okay, I figured out what happened. Same explanation as my previous unblock request (none of the accounts were used for abuse, there was no block evasion, no multiple votes or attempts to sway concensus, and we edited in different topic areas), and I know who the other accounts are, I just talked with them.(Beajhure is a relative who lives with me, I'm not saying any more than that for privacy reasons) Beajhure is one person, Nufaiyrs and Sehidhen are also another person.(another relative, he claims he lost the password to his Sehidhen account so he created another one at Nufaiyrs). We used the same computer, but I was not aware they were editing wikipedia. They found the open proxy in my url history and also used it. the WP:NOP policy does not say you get blocked for using open proxies. It says "Open or anonymising proxies, including Tor, may be blocked from editing for any period at any time. While this may affect legitimate users, they are not the intended targets and may freely use proxies until those are blocked." I agree not to use this proxy when unblocked (not that I can, since the proxy was blocked too). Nufaiyrs also wants to get the Nufaiyrs account unblocked as well in case he wants to use it in the future. Sino-Malay (talk) 04:01, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Decline reason:
WP:BROTHER. It's amazing - all these people living in the same house, all editing the same article, all finding the same open proxy. Truly miraculous! (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 09:37, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
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I also point out again, no evidence of abuse (multiple voting, concensus shifting, block evasion), plus the policy on open proxies does not say that you get blocked for using an open proxy. It says you can keep using them until the proxy gets blocked.Sino-Malay (talk) 04:01, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
- They live with you, you all use the same computer, all edit Wikipedia... and you just now figured all that out? Hersfold (t/a/c) 04:12, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
- I don't watch over my computer or my relatives 24/7, and I only I have one computer in my house... I promise to ban Beajhure from using the computer for one month. I am not a frequent editor of wikipedia, by the way, but I do read it. The only reason I came across the message that I was blocked, was because it was left on my talk page (it makes the big orange banner come up when you visit wiki). I wasn't going to do any editing and would not have even noticed I was blocked if he hadn't left the message.Sino-Malay (talk) 04:16, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
"abuse"[edit]
To the reviewing admin, whether you believe I am telling the truth that I am not the sockmaster of the other three accounts, or you think I'm a big liar and those other accounts (who edited totally different topics and were created months after my accounts was created) are mine, that has no bearing at all on the block, since (If i am the sockmaster and a liar) owning multiple accounts is allowed according to policy if they don't abuse it, secondly, (If I am telling the truth and the other accounts are not mine), multiple users are allowed to edit from the same computer as long as they steer clear of articles which the other user edits.
I was not blocked for owning different accounts, Tnxman32 explicitly stated "Abusing multiple accounts" in the block summary. If those accounts are my socks and I am a liar, I have still acted entirely according to wikipedia rules and haven't acommited any abuse at all, since I #1 I haven't edited the same articles with different accounts, #2, I have never tried to evade a block, and I never received any blocks before, #3, I have never used the "socks" to vote multiple times and change concensus. #4 the blocking admin, Tnxman307 in his own words regarding another sockmaster- "Be that as it may, I still don't see abuse of multiple accounts. It looks to me like one account was abandoned and the other started up. Perhaps they forgot their password, or wanted a new name. Absent any consensus stacking, etc. I don't there's any action to take here. "
Txnman307 failed to mention or explain what "abuse" I was committing- I didn't do any vote stacking, none of the accounts edited at the same time, if you assumed we were socks and looked at our contribution histories you would think that Nufaiyrs, Sehidhen, and me (Sino-Malay) "abandoned" the account due to our infrequent editing. Txnman32 refused to ban another user for sockpuppeting and vandalizing the same article with both socks, but he bans me for doing the exact opposite.
It is exactly because none of these accounts are vandals, that I'm not lying about them not being me. Since Nufaiyrs has actually contributed constructive, sourced edits, if I would lie, I would gladly take credit for his contributions and say he is my sock. The Sehidhen and Beajhure accounts also show no vandalism or signs of abuse.
Sino-Malay (talk) 03:01, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Sino-Malay (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
The previous admin, User:Bwilkins who declined my unblock request claimed that me and the other accounts edited the same article. That is completely false. He did not even look at my edit history or the previous unblock request in which I explained that none of our edits overlap. He said " It's amazing - all these people living in the same house, all editing the same article, all finding the same open proxy. Truly miraculous!" and also provided a link to WP:BROTHER. I also forgot to mention this in the other unblock requests- check out my contribution history and those of the accounts I am accused of sockpuppeting- there is no history of "abuse", "vandalism", or anything remotely disruptive. To the admin reading this, please take time to firstly read all the previous unblock requests carefully, and then examine the edit histories of all the accounts involved. Because Bwilkins apparently did not when he declined my request. My edit history (Sino-Malay Nufaiyrs edit history Sehidhen's edit history Beajhure's edit history NONE of us have edited the same articles at all. Not only that, Wikipedia:BROTHER doesn't apply here, since none of the accounts have committed vandalism. Neither have any of the accounts received a previous block for any offense. Since none of the other accounts have committed vandalism, what motive do I have to lie and "blame" the accounts on them, especially Nufaiyrs, who actually contriubted good quality material?. If I wanted to lie, I would gladly claim I am the sockmaster of Nufaiyrs and take credit for his edits, none of which are vandalism. Neither did Beajhure or the Sehidhen account have any vandalism in their records, they haven't even added anything to article mainspace. If you (admin) get imptatient by reading the large paragraphs below, or get confused my explanation, see the three points I made beneath the unblock template which will help you understand the unblock request. I have already stated. #1, Beajhure and Nufaiyrs edit in totally different topic fields, and totally different style of editing than me. I never have used google books citations nor have I quoted in references like Nufaiyrs. Beajhure has never added anything to article mainspace. Have you even looked at our edit histories? And I was also questioned above about the other users using the same proxy as me. IF you use internet explorer, the history is easily accesible, and previous websites visited are recorded. Beajhure and Nufaiyrs found the proxy in the history. You can click the scroll down thing next to the address field and find previously visited websites. If I wanted to sock, i would have used DIFFERENT PROXIES. I could go type "open proxy" on google, and have hundreds of them at my disposal. WHY WOULD I USE THE SAME PROXY FOR SOCKS? I WOULD USE A DIFFERENT PROXY FOR EACH DIFFERENT SOCK ACCOUNT. #2, The reason Tnxman307 gave for my block was "Abusing multiple accounts", not for owning multiple accounts. If you look at our edit histories, even if we are the same person, no abuse occured. We never voted on the same topics ( and I was the only user who ever voted ), nor was I evading any blocks if I was Beajhure or Nufaiyrs, since I didn't have any blocks in my history. even if they are my socks, i have not abused multiple accounts. If they were my socks, I should still not be blocked per policy. I have never evaded any blocks with them or tried to vote multiple times. WP:SOCK says abusing multiple accounts is when you do things like edit in the same area, double vote and try to alter concensus, or try to evade blocks. If Beajhure is my sock, for example, I have never been blocked or even had a warning on my talk page before, which means I'm not practicing block evasion. See -Wikipedia:SOCK#Sharing_an_IP_address and Wikipedia:SOCK#Inappropriate_uses_of_alternative_accounts. Lets say for one second that they were my socks. I would still not be subjected to any penalty according to policy, since I haven't used the accounts for abuse like double voting or block evasion, and according to Wikipedia:SOCK#Sharing_an_IP_address we followed policy by only editing in totally different articles. None of us have ever edited the same article. IF I was blocked already, and then I created" Beajhure and started editing, thats a violation of policy. Neither Beajhure or Nufairys been used to submit multiple votes on any topic at all, I was recently involved on Talk:Taiwan and voted against moving the article to Taiwan. If Nufaiyrs and Sehidhen were my socks, why wouldn't I have tried to triple vote? And I don't mean to be rude to the admin reading this, I was just angry at the fact that Bwilkins didn't even look at the edit history and the fact that I explicitly stated that the other acocounts have never edited the same articles as me, and he somehow jumps to the conclusion that we edited the same article. I already explained how the proxy is reccrded in my url and other people using my computer can see what websites I visited.Sino-Malay (talk) 19:41, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Decline reason:
We're not going to unblock an open proxy, even if you did manage to convince an admin that there are really four editors living in the same house editing away on a shared computer without knowing that they were doing so. Which I don't. Nick-D (talk) 05:56, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
Three point expalanation of unblock request[edit]
And if you just skim over my explanation above and then decline, please consider these three points, essentially a simplified explanation of the unblock request-
- 1 I was blocked for "abusing" multiple accounts. What abuse? Did I use another account to evade a previous block or double vote or edit the same article? No, Tnxman307 just blocked all of us since all the accounts were registered from the same computer. per Wikipedia:SOCK#Sharing_an_IP_address different users sharing the same ipaddress/network/computer is allowed. He gave no evidence for abuse.
All of our block histories were clean before this happened- [1] [2] [3] [4] n
- 2- Why would I use the same proxy to open multiple accounts and edit totally different articles for no reason at all? If I wanted to sock, I would use different proxies for different accounts. If you want me to easily find another free proxy I will give you the link to it if you request.
- 3- None of us edited the same articles at all.Sino-Malay (talk) 22:08, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
{{unblock}},