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Happy editing! Cheers, Netherzone (talk) 15:26, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Chemical X[edit]

The following Wikipedia contributor has declared a personal or professional connection to the subject of this article. Relevant policies and guidelines may include conflict of interest, autobiography, and neutral point of view.
Their edits to this article were last checked for neutrality on 15 July 2023 by SirMaryFoodcupboard. Error: Disclosures that use the |checked= parameter should also use |editedhere=yes for at least one contributor.

SirMaryFoodcupboard (talk · contribs) This user has declared a connection. (My connection to the subject is through assisting on a film about the Chemical X and contributing some photography services to his company Chemical X Industries Ltd.

I have created this page independently of the artist and his company as I feel that he and his work deserve to be a part of the great Wikipedia knowledge base.

Through my previous work I was able to contact Marc Woodhouse who was a director at Third Planet International Ltd and is now a director at Chemical X Industries Ltd in order to clarify the ownership of some of the images used. He, nor anyone connected directly with Chemical X has been involved with this page beyond that.

I have tried to state the facts about Chemical X's work without bias or favour using citations for all facts. I understand that, as a first time contributor to Wikipedia, I am bound to get it wrong sometimes but, thanks to a host of helpful volunteers I have taken on their combined expertise and experience.)

SirMaryFoodcupboard (talk) 12:16, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Chemical X has a new comment[edit]

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Chemical X. Thanks! Robert McClenon (talk) 19:01, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Chemical X has a new comment[edit]

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Chemical X. Thanks! Netherzone (talk) 21:06, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Question re: photos in Draft:Chemical X[edit]

Hi @SirMaryFoodcupboard, I left you a note regarding how to improve your draft on Chemical X. I noticed that the photographs were uploaded and licensed as your own work. Is the draft an autobiography? Netherzone (talk) 21:17, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I used to be a photographer and film maker and worked with a guy, Will Woodward who was making a film about Chemical X. I amassed some photos from the shoots and even did some studio work to photograph some of the pieces. I always thought he should have his own Wiki page as I became a big fan of his work and I'm one of the few people who know his timeline so I've finally got round to it. SirMaryFoodcupboard (talk) 04:33, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Photos you shot of Chemical X themself (the person) are ok to use, but the ones of their artwork are copyright violations unless the artist releases their copyrights to their work. They would need to contact Wikipedia Commons' Volunteer Response Team with permissions/consent under the correct license before the images can be used. (You own the copyright to the photos, but they own the copyrights to their work.) More info here: [1].

Their direct email is here: permissions-commonswikimedia.org Netherzone (talk) 10:57, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I've emailed them - awaiting response. SirMaryFoodcupboard (talk) 11:37, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

...and I've added in some more citations - found some more source material too. SirMaryFoodcupboard (talk) 11:38, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that this image is licensed by Getty Images (published in Juxtapoz), is that your photograph too? If so Getty will need to release it.

https://www.juxtapoz.com/news/street-art/the-street-where-luxury-and-poverty-meet-chemical-x-s-skid-rodeo-drive/ Netherzone (talk) 22:31, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

hello again! I saw the note you added to the draft, thank you for declaring your connection. I'm pretty sure this needs to go on the Talk Page of the article, not on the Draft page, and also (very important) a version of that needs to go on your user page too. Thank you very much for following our guidelines for COI editors.

I noticed you don't yet have a user page. You will need to create one. It's been ages since I created a user page, however, I think if you click on this link: User:SirMaryFoodcupboard and follow the instructions there to "Start the User:SirMaryFoodcupboard page" that should work. If it doesn't, let me know, or ask at the Wikipedia Tea House.

Once the draft is accepted and a reviewer moves it to article space, you need to stop editing the article directly and instead use the "Edit Request" system to make further changes.

I don't think there will be any problems with his notability being recognized. His work is amazing and important and this is well documented in reliable sources. Best of luck, Netherzone (talk) 01:32, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think I've put it on the correct page now but I don't know why it is repeating my statement. Html isn't my forte...any help/advise is appreciated.

I will take a look at setting up my user page now. SirMaryFoodcupboard (talk) 11:47, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I might have found a workaround... SirMaryFoodcupboard (talk) 12:08, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@SirMaryFoodcupboard: I made some modifications for you. I put the {{connected contributor}} template with the longer explanation of your COI on the draft talk page (Draft talk:Chemical X). On your userpage, I replaced the existing content with the {{UserboxCOI}} template. That should suffice. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 13:07, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@SirMaryFoodcupboard, I've left you a formal Welcome at the talk of this page containing helpful links for new editors for contributing to the encyclopedia. It's a lot of information to take in, and it takes a while to learn how things work here. Please know that your contributions are appreciated, and hope to continue to see you around in the future. Netherzone (talk) 15:30, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Chemical X (August 24)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Tutwakhamoe was:

This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Tutwakhamoe (talk) 12:48, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, SirMaryFoodcupboard! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Tutwakhamoe (talk) 12:48, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Chemical X (September 27)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Netherzone was:

The draft is written in a highly promotional tone and content WP:PROMO; it also appears to be an autobiography (see info on image files) which may be what is driving the promotional/advertorial orientation. It is not acceptable as it is because it seems to exist just to promote the subject.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Chemical X and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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Netherzone (talk) 15:14, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chemical X artist[edit]

Hi Netherzone. I think I may be out of my depth trying to write this page about Chemical X. It's not me (as I have stated) but I obviously don't have the correct skillset to write the text without sounding like a fan. I thought I'd done OK on the last version but it appears that I'm still off. Not sure what you mean with the photos though? I have taken some, I have some from another photographer and I sought permission from Chemical X Industries Ltd who work with the artist and I have one photo provided by them.

Can you advise me, or point me in the right direction as to how to put this page together as it's not something I've done before and, perhaps misguidedly, I thought that I could put one together about Chemical X as I saw he didn't have one and I really rate his work.

What should I do? I've come this far so I don't want to give up yet... SirMaryFoodcupboard (talk) 11:55, 28 September 2023 (UTC) Netherzone (talk) 13:45, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I can't even get THAT right... SirMaryFoodcupboard (talk) 13:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's clear that your intentions are good. You did not do anything wrong by posting on my talk page, however I am a volunteer editor (like 99% percent of us) and have a very full time job in real life, so do not have the time to personally mentor you. It's probably best to ask at the WP:TEAHOUSE for help. Writing a biography of a living person is probably the most difficult task someone can do on Wikipedia.

It is OK to promote someone on a personal or commercial website, but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not the right venue to promote something just because you really like something. WP has biographies on notable people, not advertisements for how great they are. That's what Fandom is for. Please read WP:PROMO.

The article is written very promotionally, like an advertisement for the artist, and is filled with tons of name-dropping, embedded bare urls that point to vimeo videos, to other artist's websites, and sales sites for NFT's and the like. It's not his notability that is in question, it is the tone and style and much of the content that is not appropriate for an encyclopedia. I hope that helps! Netherzone (talk) 14:10, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that - I appreciate your time. I'll take a look through that info. I think I added too many links thinking that was needed to back up stuff. I'll see what to do. Thanks again. SirMaryFoodcupboard (talk) 14:14, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A good place to start is to remove all of the name-dropping, as it does not matter how many famous people Chemical X associates with or has been in shows with, or who likes their work. Then start getting rid of all the embedded bare urls. Then see what is there. Please do read WP:PROMO when you have a chance.

I also had a look at the photos again, and see that the VRT put a permissions note on some of them, which is good. Overall there are too many photos that are redundant. Try selecting no more than 3 to use. Cheers, Netherzone (talk) 14:30, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Chemical X (October 19)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Seawolf35 was:

Please remove ALL external links from the body of the article and be sure to avoid peacock terms.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Chemical X and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Seawolf35 (talk) 22:51, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Chemical X (artist) has been accepted[edit]

Chemical X (artist), which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for creation if you prefer.

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Thanks again, and happy editing!

WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 04:58, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]