User talk:StanMarsh19

Release dates

Hi. I noticed you have been changing the release dates for songs from the general year to the date at which it entered a particular top 40 chart. This goes against both Wiki policy and logic. While in the SoundScan era many songs debut in the Top 40 in the week immediately following their release, this was not and is not always the case, and even when it is, it represents the date of the next chart and not of the actual release. It is Wiki policy for infoboxes to use the actual date the record company first makes the music commercially available anywhere and/or the date the music was first released in a major English-speaking market such as the U.S., UK, Australia or Canada if this is notably different (as this is the English-language Wiki; of course Wikis in other languages focus on availability in their own territories). When the date of release is notably different from one territory to the next, it is helpful to note this. There are lists and articles specifically about chartings which, appropriately, use the date of the charting.

Of course, if you can find a source for the actual release date for any article which states only a general year, that would be great. In the meantime, please undo your edits. Click on the link following this sentence for an explanation of an easy and effective way to do this. Wikipedia:undo

The information about the date it entered the Top 40 or, arguably more importantly, the week it made its peak, might be an improvement to add to the body of articles which do not already include dates for chartings.

Additionally, please do not blank your talk page. It is helpful for editors to see whether others have already discussed an issue with you, and to support, clarify or disagree based on their interpretations and/or your responses. Your user page is yours to do with as you wish. However, your discussion page is intended as a resource to allow constructive discussion begun by other editors to evolve. Thanks, Abrazame (talk) 07:25, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I have reverted the release date changes you made to This Is the Night (song), I Believe (Fantasia song), Sorry 2004, The Way/Solitaire, Breakaway (Kelly Clarkson song) and Since U Been Gone. These edits were made without an explanation (edit summary) or a reliable source. In fact, you made over 200 edits in little less than 2.5 hours changing release history dates with no edit summaries or reliable sources. You seem to be engaging in the exact same activities that Abrazame warned you about. I am going to give you a couple of days to either come up with reliable sources to back up your edits or revert your own edits, and if neither is done then I will go back and change them. Aspects (talk) 00:31, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

The song infobox has a section called Released. This is, of course, the location to insert the release date. A "release" is defined as when the entity which owns the recording (the record company) first makes that recording commercially available to the public. It is not when the public's acceptance of the material reaches a certain critical mass level, such as entering a chart or a region of a chart.

I am asking you to please respond to me and this other editor here before your next edit to explain your intentions, which I would like to believe are in good faith. We can discuss how to productively move forward and use the information you have to improve articles. Personally, I see the value in noting when a song does not chart within a couple of weeks of first release. I also see the value in noting how long it takes for a song to reach its peak and/or fall from that peak. However, by obliterating the actual release dates with your edits, your insertion of Top 40 entry dates are rendering themselves irrelevant by making it impossible to draw any useful contrast. As such, your edits do not add value to articles; in fact, your edits remove value from those articles, value the design of Wikipedia infoboxes explicitly intends for those articles to include. Worse, you are doing so without noting the difference between their intended release data and the chart data you are substituting (the sections still read "Released"). The effect is that your edits are putting false and misleading information into articles. This is obviously against Wikipedia policy.

I don't want you to waste your time by continuing these edits, and even more to the point, I don't want you to waste other editors' time in necessitating the mass reverting of your edits, which is the only recourse we will have if you will not respond here. Unless it is your intention to be vandalizing these articles, I'm sure you don't want that either. Again, Wikipedia could use an interested editor with data resources as you seem to have, working to improve these articles, and I'm hoping that we can discuss how you might redirect your efforts. Thanks in advance for your response, Abrazame (talk) 17:08, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Stan, let me reiterate what has been said before...please use edit summaries to describe what it is you've done, and why you've done it if it is unsourced. Your mass-changing of release dates is not acceptable, and considering the considering the comments here, your lack of a response isn't either. I would ask that you provide some indication that you understand what is being said about this situation. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 04:32, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi Stan, thanks for replying. While I appreciate the time you've put into this work, simply subtracting 18 days from the chart dates is highly inaccurate, and strictly not permitted on Wikipedia. This is called Original Research. The only dates that are acceptable are the actual, verifiable release dates, preferably accompanied by a reliable source. If you have any questions, please let me know. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 21:40, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

To be honest, I'm not exactly sure what you are referring to with "creating links that show when a single was released". Can you clarify this for me? — Huntster (t • @ • c) 21:52, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I think you are looking for Wikipedia:Citing sources, which explains how to provide a citation. In short, you simply provide something like this: <ref>[http://www.example.com/ Example website]</ref>. That Citing Sources link should provide all the info you need. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 22:03, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

<outdent>Could you please explain this edit, [1], once again changing a release date without a reliable source? Aspects (talk) 01:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

avril lavigne - my happy ending release date

hey there,

i changed your last edit, i hope its what you had in mind ;)

cheers,

Darth NormaN (talk) 21:33, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

List of Billboard Hot 100 top 10 singles in 1998

So I know you have everything up to 1999 up, are you gonna be able to do 1998? Arjoccolenty (talk)

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