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Is Assamese tonal?

Hi Stevey,

I didn't think Assamese was tonal, but you have tonal transcriptions at Digaro languages and Digaro Mishmi language. — kwami (talk) 16:49, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

It's not tonal, but the Chinese source still gives tonal transcriptions (and I'm kjust as confused as you are). I have a feeling that the tonal ones might be unidentified Tani languages instead. You can make a note on the Wiki article if you'd like. — Stevey7788 (talk) 04:11, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

More metadata on Russian population map

Hi Steve,

There isn't much in the way of metadata on the map you provided of Russian-Americans here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_American#mediaviewer/File:Russian1346.gif. I was thinking of updating/upgrading, but would like to know more about how your map was made. With what data, exactly, was this map made? As in, which table column from the Census 2000 data? I'm looking through my Census 2000 tables here and I'm not seeing anything related to the Russian population. Thanks in advance! EDIT: Ah, I bet it came from the American Community Survey. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Cheers. -- Burnsr77 (talk) 17:17, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

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Micha

Hi Stevey,

The info in the Micha entry at List of lesser-known Loloish languages bears little resemblance to the article Micha language. Are these two different languages, or just bad info in the dedicated article? (Please ping or notify me if you answer.)

Thanks, — kwami (talk) 04:34, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

ID "Nung"

Hi Steve,

Intercontinental Dictionary Series is marked for expert attention due to ambiguity of "Nung". Looks like s.t. you could answer. Bit of OR in the outline which I'll clean up. — kwami (talk) 21:29, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

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Arawakan language tree

Hi Stevey7788, I'm hoping to get your thoughts on here, since you created the original Arawakan language tree. Thanks! --Victar (talk) 16:55, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Mok

Hi,

I merged Mok and Muak Sa-aak because you coded them as the same language. However, your edits suggest maybe that was a mistake. (You added codes from the wrong language to another article you created.) If they shouldn't be merged, please undo and correct the codes (keeping the Glottolog code). If they are the same, but you want it at the other name, we can make a move request, so we keep the article history. — kwami (talk) 23:55, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi Kwami, that's right, they're the same, thanks. — Stevey7788 (talk) 23:59, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Man Met language redirects to Mok. Should it go to Kemie? Should the Ethnologue & Glottolog codes be added there? Population recalculated? (I did the first two, but assumed the pop. figures were duplicates. Pls fix if Man Met is just coincidentally the endonym.) — kwami (talk) 00:48, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Theen

Is Theen[1] perhaps the "Tai Then" at Khmuic languages? Worth an article? — kwami (talk) 23:58, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Not sure about that, I wouldn't create an article on it right now. — Stevey7788 (talk) 20:57, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Waxiang

Hi, Stevey7788. Would you care to respond at Talk:Waxiang Chinese#Classification? Kanguole 10:03, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

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Population update project

Hi. The 18th edition of Ethnologue just came out, and if we divide up our language articles among us, it won't take long to update them. I would appreciate it if you could help out, even if it's just a few articles (5,000 articles is a lot for just me), but I won't be insulted if you delete this request.

A largely complete list of articles to be updated is at Category:Language articles citing Ethnologue 17. The priority articles are in Category:Language articles with old Ethnologue 17 speaker data. These are the 10% that have population figures at least 25 years old.

Probably 90% of the time, Ethnologue has not changed their figures between the 17th and 18th editions, so all we need to do is change "e17" to "e18" in the reference (ref) field of the language info box. That will change the citation for the artcle to the current edition. Please put the data in the proper fields, or the info box will flag it as needing editorial review. The other relevant fields are "speakers" (the number of native speakers in all countries), "date" (the date of the reference or census that Ethnologue uses, not the date of Ethnologue!), and sometimes "speakers2". Our convention has been to enter e.g. "1990 census" when a census is used, as other data can be much older than the publication date. Sometimes a citation elsewhere in the article depends on the e17 entry, in which case you will need to change "name=e17" to "name=e18" in the reference tag (assuming the 18th edition still supports the cited claim).

Remember, we want the *total* number of native speakers, which is often not the first figure given by Ethnologue. Sometimes the data is too incompatible to add together (e.g. a figure from the 1950s for one country, and a figure from 2006 for another), in which case it should be presented that way. That's one use for the "speakers2" field. If you're not sure, just ask, or skip that article.

Data should not be displayed with more than two, or at most three, significant figures. Sometimes it should be rounded off to just one significant figure, e.g. when some of the component data used by Ethnologue has been approximated with one figure (200,000, 3 million, etc.) and the other data has greater precision. For example, a figure of 200,000 for one country and 4,230 for another is really just 200,000 in total, as the 4,230 is within the margin of rounding off in the 200,000. If you want to retain the spurious precision of the number in Ethnologue, you might want to use the {{sigfig}} template. (First parameter in this template is for the data, second is for the number of figures to round it off to.)

Dates will often need to be a range of all the country data in the Ethnologue article. When entering the date range, I often ignore dates from countries that have only a few percent of the population, as often 10% or so of the population isn't even separately listed by Ethnologue and so is undated anyway.

If Ethnologue does not provide a date for the bulk of the population, just enter "no date" in the date field. But if the population figure is undated, and hasn't changed between the 17th & 18th editions of Ethnologue, please leave the ref field set to "e17", and maybe add a comment to keep it so that other editors don't change it. In cases like this, the edition of Ethnologue that the data first appeared in may be our only indication of how old it is. We still cite the 14th edition in a couple dozen articles, so our readers can see that the data is getting old.

The articles in the categories linked above are over 90% of the job. There are probably also articles that do not currently cite Ethnologue, but which we might want to update with the 18th edition. I'll need to generate another category to capture those, probably after most of the Ethnologue 17 citations are taken care of.

Jump in at the WP:LANG talk page if you have any comments or concerns. Thanks for any help you can give!

— kwami (talk) 02:13, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Kwami, it's quite exciting to see all this new stuff coming out! — Stevey7788 (talk) 08:03, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Basum language

Hey,

Any idea what we should do with Basum? (Glottolog: basu1243.) — kwami (talk) 02:52, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Since Glottolog refs Tournadre, does Basum fit in one of his 25 groups? That might be worth mentioning. — kwami (talk) 16:46, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Not sure about that, I'll need to get access to Tournadre to see. — Stevey7788 (talk) 22:36, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

"What links here"

FYI, when you split an article, as you did at Phunoi language, you might want to check "what links here" (hide the links, so you can scan the redirects). In this case, "Singsali language", "Laopang language", and "ISO 639:lbg" continued to redirect the reader to Phunoi, even after you created articles for Sinsali and Laopan. — kwami (talk) 19:28, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Kwami. — Stevey7788 (talk) 19:39, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Oh, I added a population figure to Laopan, since Ethnologue has cleaned up their article. You might want to verify it's correct. — kwami (talk) 19:48, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

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Laopang language

Hi Steve,

Glottolog has this as a spurious distinction, or at least not demonstrated to be a distinct language. Hammarström (2015) says,

[Ethnologue] has an entry Laopang [lbg] as an unclassied Loloish/Ngwi language of Myanmar (E16)/Laos (E18) with the alternate name Laopa. There appears to be only one language in the literature that can match these characteristics, namely Xa-Pho of Abadie (1924:185-186) who testifies they call themselves Lao-pa. However, this language already has an entry in [Ethnologue] as Laghuu language [lgh] (cf. Edmondson & Ziwo 1999).

Is he right? Should the articles be merged?

Thanks — kwami (talk) 01:54, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

No, I'm am absolutely sure that Laopang and Laopa are two completely separate languages belonging to two separate branches. I'll need to talk to Harald about this. — Stevey7788 (talk) 17:29, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. You might want to check the entries at User:Kwamikagami/sandbox3#Eurasia. in case there are others you disagree with. I'm using this list to review our articles, but some are confusing. — kwami (talk) 05:02, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

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Lang'e

Hi. I added Lang'e [yne] as a dialect of Lavu per Glottolog. Please create article or move links if I got it wrong (or let me know and I'll do it). — kwami (talk) 03:57, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. — Stevey7788 (talk) 13:41, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Pu Ko

H couldn't attest that Pu Ko [puk] actually exists. Should the article be retired? Thanks, — kwami (talk) 00:09, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Also Southern Lolopo [ysp], and Kuanhua [xnh] which I assume is legit because you've edited the article. Thanks. — kwami (talk) 00:31, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

I have no idea what Kuanhua is to be honest, and I have not found any autonyms or non-Chinese names that could correspond to it. As for Pu Ko, I would vote to keep it there. — Stevey7788 (talk) 13:39, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Okay, Southern Lolopo is merged with Lolopho.

Do you have a page number where Li (2005) attests to Kuanhua?

The pages right before the word list appendix. I'll see if I can look it up. — Stevey7788 (talk) 03:59, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Is Lopi [lov] distinct or even attested?

Some sort of Northern Yi lect. I'd say keep it. — Stevey7788 (talk) 03:59, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Is Lama [lav] a variety of Nung [nun], or is it the Laemae (lɛ˨˩mɛ˨˩) within the Bai branch? (It currently redirects to Bai.)

It's a mixed language, cf. Bradley's papers. — Stevey7788 (talk) 03:59, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Maybe outside your area, but can you confirm if Inpui/Kabui Naga [nkf] and Puimei Naga [npu] are varieties of Rongmei Naga [nbu]?

Not exactly outside my area, I've been doing some work on NE Indian languages as well. I believe those should all get their own articles. However, they're all Zeme languages. — Stevey7788 (talk) 03:59, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks — kwami (talk) 02:59, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

What of Norra [nrr]? H says Norra "is listed as a Nungish language of Northern Myanmar (no more precise location) with the dialects Nora, Byabe, Kizolo. The information almost certainly derives from Voegelin & Voegelin (1965:15), but Voegelin & Voegelin (1965:15) list Nora, Byabe, Kizolo as dialects of Nung ... Indeed, eldwork conrms Nung in China and Nung across the border in Myanmar are mutually intelligible (Sun & Liu 2009:8)." — kwami (talk) 23:43, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

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Norwegian Americans map

Hi Stevey7788. In 2005 you uploaded a useful map that illustrates the geographical distribution of Americans with Norwegian ancestry: File:Norwegian1346.gif. As far as I can tell from the image description page and its history, you created this map yourself. Please could you put something on that page to say where you sourced the data that allowed you to create it? And what the different shades mean. I brought this up on the image talk page File talk:Norwegian1346.gif in 2011 so any reply is best put there for the benefit of future editors. Many thanks! Beorhtwulf (talk) 13:49, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

I got that from the US Census' American Factfinder a long time ago. The legend was not in the image though. — Stevey7788 (talk) 07:48, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. So did you create the image on the basis of tabular data you got from the census, which is what is suggested at the moment, or did you take the image itself from a census website? Beorhtwulf (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:29, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

The image itself was taken from http://factfinder.census.gov/ However the site has since been completely updated. I was interested in US demographics more than 10 years ago, but currently I am primarily focusing on linguistics. — Stevey7788 (talk) 17:11, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Is this Yi?

Hello,

I see that you've contrubuted to the article on the Nuosu language (aka Yi), and I wonder if you can figure if these signs are in Yi, or in some other minortity language of Yunnan. The signs were seen in Lihaozhai Township, in the northern part of Jianshui County. There are more signs like this around Jianshui county seat.

(This book (page 150) claims that Yunnan gov't recognizes 15 languages' written forms). The syllabic characters look very much like those of Yi, but the alphabet doesn't look like the one described in Nuosu language: it appears to use letters f and q at the end of the syllable to indicate the tone, while Yi is said to use p, x, and t.

May there be actually 2 minority languages in the signs, the syllabic script being Yi and the alphabetic, something else (Zhuang? Dai? Mien [aka Hmong]? Hani?). The zh.wiki article, zh:建水县, says that besides Han and Hui, the county has Yi, Hani, Dai, and Mien people. (彝族、回族、哈尼族、傣族、苗族). Thanks much for any insight! --Vmenkov (talk) 07:11, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

The Roman script is Hani. Things like the final -q, -f, etc. and especially the "ss" show that this is Hani. The symbolic script is Yi. Both are in the government-promoted standardized versions.

Thanks for letting me know about this. Quite interesting. I've been all over Yunnan and have seen quite a few interesting signs like that. Most locals don't actually know how to read them, and the multilingual signs are actually more for decorative purposes. — Stevey7788 (talk) 08:37, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks much for resolving the puzzle! I am not surprised at the signs' little practical value; from what I saw over 3 weeks in Yunnan and Guangxi these scripts only seem to appear in government sponsored situations (signs at government offices, historic monuments, etc), and indeed are mostly "decorative". I've never seen those scripts used in any "practical" sign (e.g. people selling something). -- Vmenkov (talk) 16:20, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks for all these! Just a suggestion, but it might be a good idea to look at these for synonyms and to check whether the names were up to date. I tried linking some to articles on other language wikis (which tend to do species before us as they're created by bot) and didn't find a lot of them, also some I tried to link and found that pages were linked to other species - for example, the Cebuano Wikipedia article on Zamia nana links to our Encephalartos horridus article. Perhaps ask around for an up-to-date list of species? Blythwood (talk) 17:15, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Cool thanks. The French and Italian Wikipedias often have up-to-date species lists, so I'll be sure to check those as well. — Stevey7788 (talk) 17:45, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

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Hi Steve, I have seen your latest edits to the Enggano article. Good to see this hot topic on a state of the art level here in WP. Have you already seen what Alexander Smith has to say about Enggano (among a lot of other things) in his latest article in Oceanic Linguistics, "The Western Malayo-Polynesian Problem" (OL 56(2), Dec 2017)? Basically, he agrees with Nothofer and sees Enggano closely related to Nias, the Batak languages etc. Based on my personal research on the verb morphosyntax of Enggano, I totally agree with this classification. So, while admitting the highly aberrant lexical nature of Enggano, I think we can safely assign it to "full membership" status in the Austronesian family. But in this case, I refrain from "being bold" with another edit in the infobox section because of my WP:OR bias. Austronesier (talk) 15:07, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

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