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George Lyward

I have written an extensively expanded article on the educationalist and psychotherapist George Lyward* (3400 words) based on and including the one that is currently there (750 words). This being such a major change I did not want to just plonk it in there without any warning and thought I should run it by a senior editor first. Can you advise me please ? Many thanks.

• George Lyward Taraxacum44 (talk) 15:46, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Answered at WP:Help desk#Extensive replacement text for existing entry. In future, please post your question in the one best place you can figure out. If nothing happens after a suitable interval (at least 24 hours in most cases), you may consider posting somewhere else. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:23, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Moved draft

Hi, I've moved your sandbox draft into the draft name space, which is the preferred location for pending drafts. You can now find it at Draft:John Killick (writer). Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:32, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks for the speedy response ! Taraxacum44 (talk) 07:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

George Lyward

Hallo Taraxacum44 (or should I call you Dandelion?), thanks for all your work on George Lyward. I created a very basic stub back in 2012 after hearing the Great Lives episode. I see that in my initial edit summary I didn't say so but said "add further reading - scope to expand article greatly": I must have forgotten that I hadn't yet saved any version of the article, as I usually make a note of why I started the article, in the first edit summary. I was certainly aware that there was much more to be written about this interesting person, but hoped that the basic content I'd added, together with the references, further reading, and external links, gave a good starting point. It's great to see someone with real knowledge adding more references and expanding the article in a well-sourced way. Thanks.

A couple of little points: there shouldn't be a space before a reference, or between references, and Wikipedia doesn't use "curly" or "slanted" quotes/apostrophes. I've done a bit of copy-editing on those two counts, added a few links, and expanded on the listed building stuff (also added the Finchden Manor redirect to Category:Grade II* listed buildings in Kent and Category:Grade II* listed houses, while I was about it.)

I see above that you asked at the Helpdesk about just overwriting the existing article with your new version: thanks for not doing so but improving it incrementally based on the existing content. Happy Editing! PamD 23:10, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Pam,

--- should I call you Dandelion? --- I'd prefer Norman !

How great to hear from the creator of the original stub. That was me on the Great Lives programme along with Tom Robinson. Thanks so much for the encouragement and the formatting tips. In fact I am working now on fixing the references so they work properly (different page nums for the same reference). Figured out how to do this using the Source Editor. Should go live with the improved version today or tomorrow.

Yes I have wanted to expand the article for some time but struggled to assemble enough published sources. Lyward never wrote his magnum opus despite good intentions.(This is a whole fascinating story in itself). But I have a reasonable set now. His research assistant died a while ago and her husband passed on to me a treasure trove - a box of the background material she collected in her attempt to help G.L. write The Book (and an Autobiography) back in the 60s. And then a big help came in in 2019, when Alan Wendelken's widow published his (unvarnished!) account of life as a boy and then a staff member at Finchden.

Some the Finchden 'Old Boys' run a Facebook page, and I am very much looking forward to telling them the expanded entry is now available.

Best wishes,

Norman Alm Taraxacum44 (talk) 09:27, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Hallo Norman,

Good to hear from you, and how interesting that you were on the Great Lives programme!

I see that you've reshaped all the refs into a variation of the standard "sfn" system but some time when I'm not just editing on my phone I'll restore two elements of the original ref formatting: using {{NHLE}} which future-proofs against any rearrangement of their database and using {{ISBN}} which makes a clickable link to provide access to info about any book. There's a policy somewhere about retaining original choice of citation style.

Technically you've probably got a Conflict of interest in Wikipedia's terms, but so have many subject experts, I suspect. As long as everything is neutral and well-sourced, all should be well. PamD 14:04, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

I've tweaked the references, was puzzled by The New Era, and am falling into the rabbit hole of wondering whether the World Education Fellowship formerly New Education Fellowship, with its journal of varying title over the years but currently New Era in Education, is notable enough for an article. It's a red link in Beatrice Ensor already, with the journal mentioned as Education for the New Era. I think perhaps I'll put it in my heap of "Possible article ideas", as I have other stuff I ought to be getting on with today. ... Done: User:PamD/sandbox#World_Education_Fellowship_/_New_Education_Fellowship

It's a pity that the copies of the New Era papers on John Whitwell's site don't make any mention of the journal, because without it they look like random essays on a bloggish personal website, and someone might question whether they are reliable sources. It would be good to find an online source connecting author and title to the rest of the bibliographic info - Whitwell doesn't give a date or any other info. PamD 16:25, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Just spotted in the "Copyrights" section of https://www.newera.ijkie.org/about-the-journal/ that "Authors can allow others to share the work with an acknowledgement of the work’s authorship and initial publication in this journal.", so the publication on JW's website, with no such acknowledgement, is an infringement of those terms! Ah well. PamD 16:28, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Again,

Thanks for all the help with this. I have an actual hard copy of the New Era journal if that can be of use. And I see that the Finchden Manor website has reprinted three of the New Era articles, along with the cover and the title page. May I should switch the links for those three to that site. Just leaving one from the Whitwell site.

More anon !

Norman Taraxacum44 (talk) 16:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Ah, that page is excellent: I'd be inclined to include it, as well as the specific links to the papers, because it supplies the bibliographic info for the refs. The very fact that the magazine produced a special issue about GL is probably also worth a mention! PamD 21:01, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: John Killick (writer) (May 21)

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