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Predatory journals

Hi. In this edit you introduced a citation to a predatory open access journal. Can you please familiarise yourself with WP:NOTRS? Predatory journals are pay to play with minimal to no editorial oversight, so are considered self-published. There's a long history of abuse of these journals to publish crank ideas, and the consensus of the community is that we can't trust them. Thanks. Guy (help!) 09:53, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Will do, thanks Guy.

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Hello Diannaa, I am the sole author of the prose that was copied.

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Diaanna, please check better before handing out messages like the above. The content you refer to is under the Creative Commons licence. The Perennial Hugger (talk) 13:45, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

I did check carefully, as many papers are compatibly licensed nowadays. But this one is marked as "© 2016 Elsevier Ltd. All rights reserved."— Diannaa (talk) 13:49, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

You are correct, I searched for the words "creative" and "commons" and "ccc" now and could not find anything relevant. I must have jumped to the conclusion that it was ok to use the article because of the green open padlock, which is always there when the article is under the creative commons licence. The Perennial Hugger (talk) 14:04, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

It can be deceptive. Typically the "open access" indicator means only that the article is not behind a paywall.— Diannaa (talk) 14:17, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

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I have never received any payment or other kinds of compensation from any person, group, company or organization, either directly or indirectly, or expect to do so in the future, for editing wikipedia pages.The Perennial Hugger (talk) 18:16, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

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Do you have an affiliation with Bioenergy Europe or other groups in the biomass industry? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 02:33, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

I own and work full time in a music studio, and have never received any economic compensation for any written material other than editing work in a newspaper 15-30 years ago (on unrelated matters), but have an interest for the subject and an academic background so feel at home in research articles. What about you, do you work for any anti-bioenergy groups? The Perennial Hugger (talk) 11:54, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

You have been mentioned here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#Biomass_editing Snooganssnoogans (talk) 16:13, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

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Spaces between numbers and units of measurement

Hello, The Perennial Hugger. At Miscanthus x giganteus, I noticed that, in your recent large edit Special:Diff/1028680977, in expressions of physical quantities such as 100 mm, you replaced non-breaking spaces ( , as in 100 mm) with normal spaces (as in 100 mm). Please note that the non-breaking spaces are what the Manual of Style says to use. —2d37 (talk) 08:14, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, I was not aware of this. Will correct it.The Perennial Hugger (talk) 12:04, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, that was rather many spaces to fix and I hadn't expected you to go back and change them back. —2d37 (talk) 02:05, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Miscanthus × giganteus

I hope you have plans to correct some of the typos that I fixed in Miscanthus × giganteus. In particular, the use of x rather than × and the decapitalization and deitalicization of Miscanthus in numerous places. Abductive (reasoning) 10:29, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Regarding x rather than ×, the "normal" x is used here since this is common practice in scientific articles (at least this is how I remember it). The word "Miscanthus" is decapitalized and deitalicized when the word is used more informally, that is, as an English and not Latin word. This I'm sure of. It is normal practice in scientific articles, search for miscanthus in some of the referenced articles and you'll see.The Perennial Hugger (talk) 10:41, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

It is incorrect in all instances to use x, any such usage by ag folks is merely a reflection on the sorry state of their education. Abductive (reasoning) 11:26, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Since many experts in the field follow this practice, I think we should too. But if you provide a link to a scientific article that explicitely are saying what you are saying here, I'll change the x-es in the wikipedia article text to ×-es (although not in the quotes of course). I agree that we should strive for everything in the text to be as correct and up to date as possible.The Perennial Hugger (talk) 11:46, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Leaving mistakes in quotes is embarrassing for the persons quoted, so by all means leave them in. Abductive (reasoning) 13:19, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

I've researched a bit and it seems you are correct. So I changed to ×-es in the article text itself (about half had this form already).The Perennial Hugger (talk) 09:32, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

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Biomass

It's difficult to overstate how completely that article is in WP:TNT territory. Reverting back in overlong off-topic sections isn't going to solve the issues. VQuakr (talk) 21:06, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

See Talk page. The Perennial Hugger (talk) 21:07, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Also please avoid creating unnecessary section on talk pages like [1]. See WP:THREAD for more information. Thanks! VQuakr (talk) 21:08, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

See WP:OWN. Is your intention to obstruct any editing of the article? VQuakr (talk) 22:58, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Of course not. However, massive, unwarranted deletions is not ok. The Perennial Hugger (talk) 22:59, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Reality check: massive removals are a given on that article. It is absurd in its current state. If you commit to stonewalling improvements I'll pursue a topic ban to stop your disruption, but I'd prefer you cease voluntarily and help with the cleanup instead. VQuakr (talk) 23:02, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

The article is informative and on point. Please try the topic ban, I think it will be useful if administrators have a look our situation. The Perennial Hugger (talk) 23:06, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

It sure is informative! On point, not so much. VQuakr (talk) 23:09, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Are you willing to participate in any dispute resolution at WP:DRN? VQuakr (talk) 23:11, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I think that could be a constructive move. The Perennial Hugger (talk) 09:30, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

To use an example: here you reference climate change. But that content shouldn't be in the biomass article; it should be at climate change. Going into the content: As a consequence of both natural causes and human practices, carbon continually flows between carbon pools... wrong article; that should be at Carbon cycle. And so on, ad nauseum. This is the fundamental point of summary style and it's why much content is being removed from this article. A good article has nothing left to remove; that's editing. VQuakr (talk) 23:28, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

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Please stop. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Biomass, you may be blocked from editing. VQuakr (talk) 22:38, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Vandalize? I actually increased the quality of that article. It is you who delete large sections that clearly belongs in the article. The Perennial Hugger (talk) 22:48, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

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