User talk:Thenonhacker

Welcome![edit]

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Some help about WP:A2[edit]

Hi Thenonhacker,

I realize you are fairly new to Wikipedia, and that the rules are sometimes complex. I'll explain why Sampernandu isn't going to be speedily deleted under "WP:A2".
"A2. Foreign language articles that exist on another Wikimedia project" means that it contains

text entirely in a language that isn't English
text that is entirely from another language's Wikipedia

If the English language Wikipedia page for Sampernandu looked like this:

Sampernandu[edit]

Ing Sampernandu (Inglis: San Fernando, Pampanga), yapin ing first class component city king probinsya ning Pilipinas king Pampanga. Sampernandu ing capital ning Pampanga, ampong ya ing manimunang rehiyon ning Central Luzon (Region III). Atin yang 285,912 a tau, ana ning 2010 census. Atui ya 67 kilometru (42 mi) tas king Menila, 50 kilometru (31 mi) wanan king Subic Bay king probinsya ning Zambales, at 16 kilometru (9.9 mi) lalam king Clark Air Base king Siyudad ning Angeles.

Then the WP:A2 nomination would be correct. That is because it contains exactly the same text as Sampernandu on the Kapampangan language Wikipedia.

But it doesn't. It contains a "redirect" to San Fernando, Pampanga, the title in English. That way someone who types "Sampernandu" in the English Wikipedia search box will find the article in English.

The decision not to delete it under WP:A2 has been made. Please don't nominate it again. If you still think it should be deleted, the correct place to continue the discussion is at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion.

I hope this helps. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask me, or at the Wikipedia:Help Desk. You might also be interested in participating in Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines.

Peter in Australia aka --Shirt58 (talk) 07:33, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This page contains text copied from pam:Sampernandu.

Regarding the "Sampernandu" Redirect[edit]

(Copied from here)

To Shirt58 / Peter / Admins: Here's the bigger problem why I nominated for the deletion of Sampernandu redirect page:

When I created a redirection word, "Sampernandu," Facebook Places belonging to "San Fernando, Pampanga" are now displaying as belonging to "Sampernandu", even if the Main Article title is set again to "San Fernando, Pampanga". Look at what happened here https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sampernandu/116063548407099 .

As we all know, Facebook relies on Wikipedia for its Place Pages. I know that this is Facebook issue more than a Wikipedia issue, so I already reported this Facebook, but we all know that Facebook doesn't guarantee a quick solution, you cannot even talk with them.

So now, the only option we've got to solve this problem, is by removing the very redirect I created this week (regrettably, because I didn't even know Facebook has this bug). Otherwise, all businesses and places in Facebook are permanently listed as from "Sampernandu", which is weird, because our addressing system in the Philippines is in English. Everyone who lives in "San Fernando, Pampanga" are also complaining why they are now living in "Sampernandu" and not "San Fernando, Pampanga".

If this redirect is Not deleted, here's what will happen on the Facebook side: People will start creating duplicates of Facebook Pages named "San Fernando, Pampanga" in an attempt to correct the issue. People will be confused why our place page in Facebook is entitled "Sampernandu" instead of "San Fernando, Pampanga". It will be a data nightmare and confusion.

I do not know if this reason even falls under the "Technical" category, but it's really needed. Here's the deal: Can we try temporarily removing "Sampernandu" for week, wait for Facebook to self-correct, then bring "Sampernandu" redirect back?.

- thenonhacker (talk) 08:50, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's a very good reason for deletion. As an administrator, I should be aware that Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy. I will exercise the discretionary editing privileges I have been granted by the Wikipedia community. Will this be a dereliction of my editing privileges? Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead. --Shirt58 (talk) 09:58, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]