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Hello, Tim1357! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you foryour contributions. You may benefit from following some of the links below, which will help you get the most out of Wikipedia. If you have any questions you can ask me on my talk page, or place{{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or by typing four tildes "~~~~"; this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you are already loving Wikipedia you might want to consider being "adopted" by a more experienced editor or joining a WikiProject to collaborate with others in creating and improving articles of your interest. Clickhere for a directory of all the WikiProjects. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Happy editing! -MBK004 21:41, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
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HMS Archer (D78)

Hi, there is no need to have a flag at the top of the infobox as no single flag covers the ships' career. All the flags she served under are adequately covered under the Port of Registry. This is in accordance with WP:SHIPS practice covering this situation. Had HMS Archer only served with the Royal Navy then the flag would be appropriate. Mjroots(talk) 14:47, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Invitation to join WikiProject Ships

WikiProject Ships
WikiProject Ships
Hello Tim1357! I noticed your contributions to a ship article, and thought you might be interested in WikiProject Ships, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of ships of all kinds.

If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks and related articles. Thanks! ~~~~

-MBK004 20:44, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

On talk pages, new discussion goes at the bottom. Currently you are adding them above all of the assessment banners. This needs to be rectified immediately or else I will be forced to revert the edits en masse to restore the proper talk page ordering. -MBK004 21:32, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
I have no clue how to use AWB, since I don't use it. Plus, your AWB runs adding the infoboxes sometimes put the infoboxes above some items that are supposed to be above infoboxes per the Manual of Style. I have fixed the ones that showed up on my watchlist. Please take your time instead of trying to do it all at once automatically. There is a reason we do things manually sometimes. -MBK004 21:38, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Don't feel bad that you've done something wrong, we all do something wrong at first. I suggest that you take your time before digging straight in with something that is so advanced-level as adding infoboxes to articles using AWB. Get into some vandal fighting and content-building and then once you've gotten the hang of how wikipedia operates, then go back into the harder-level things. Also, my suggestion to join WP:SHIPS is a very good one. We are usually very welcoming and helpful, you only need to ask.-MBK004 21:45, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Citeshort

You are currently changing a lot of articles that uses the WP:CITESHORT citation style to named references. This is inappropriate because Citeshort is a valid citation style as per MOS and the citation style employed by the main contributors should be respected. Please be more careful when converting references in the future.·Maunus·ƛ· 02:49, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of MacStyles

A tag has been placed on MacStyles requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done undersection A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a company or corporation, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for companies and corporations.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk pageexplaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contactone of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. Lәo(βǃʘʘɱ) 00:10, 10 August 2009 (UTC)


Proposed deletion of The Inherited

The article The Inherited has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Non-notable film.

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or onthe article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{dated prod}} will stop the Proposed Deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The Speedy Deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, andArticles for Deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Joe Chill (talk) 01:45, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Articles without text

Hi. Please don't create articles which simply link back to an external source. Thanks.  :) --PMDrive1061 (talk) 04:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, yes it did. So did "The Inherited." I can "undelete" both of them if you'd like so that you don't have to go through the hassle. Only takes a second; hang tight and I'll be right back. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 04:31, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

No prob. Got you covered. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 04:31, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

OK, you're all set. Thanks for being nice about this.  :) --PMDrive1061 (talk) 04:35, 10 August 2009 (UTC)


File copyright problem with File:Big animal (movie poster).jpg

File Copyright problem
File Copyright problem

Thank you for uploading File:Big animal (movie poster).jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takescopyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the file. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their license and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by followingthis link.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. ww2censor (talk) 05:19, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

List

User:Rich Farmbrough/temp24 . what do you want to do with it? ~~

List

User:Rich Farmbrough/temp24 . what do you want to do with it? Rich Farmbrough, 22:18, 10 August 2009 (UTC).

AFD

An article of yours is in AFD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Inherited. Joe Chill (talk) 22:36, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Big Animal article

Hi!

I've done a little bit of work on the above article!

Using Variety, Chicago Tribune, The Seattle Times and (last but not least - perhaps!) the Hartford Courant, I have added more info to that particular film! It is now definitely more than just an infobox and a reflist! Still a bit of work required though... right, now I'm off to bed (after a quick cigarette!) - incidently, there are other sources of reference out there, I just found 4 useful ones via Google News Search (and there were more that I could probably used there).

I have also linked the following articles which mention the film, so that the film's name in them lead to the film's article:

I have also created the following redirects, so that if anyone types one of them, they'll get to the film's article:

Anyway, I really must go now - it's 01:54am here! Obviously, that page will be on my watchlist, so I hope that it can be developed more - at the moment it is still astub-class article, which with a bit more work could become a start-class article (see the article's talk page).

Regards, -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 01:00, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

wow you have done quite a lot! thanks for helping out--Tim1357 (talk) 01:10, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

The Inherited

If the article is deleted, please do not take it personally. Ask the deleting editor to place a copy of it in User:Tim1357/sandbox/The Inherited for safe keeping and so you can continue to improve it. As the film gets more press and favorable reviews, you can add them to the safeguarded article in anticipation of its return to main pages. If you have questions, feel free to ask. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 02:56, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

A long reply...

My "deletion" vote was with the caveat that it be saved and brought back. I like that you're making contributions to Wikipedia and wish to help in your learning of Wikipedia's often confusing ways... ways that can sometimes seem unfriendly.

The Inherited ia a good case in point. Not nine minutes after you placed in onboard, an editor from "new pages patrol" tagged it for speedy deletion[1] (see Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion for more information). Such tagging is not what new editors like to see. Admirably, you continued working on the article, and then, 10 minutes later, another editor came by and "seconded" the first editor's tag[2]. 2 1/2 hours later, a third editor came by who thought the article merited a chance for improvement, so he tagged it as "under construction" [3]. Then you came back some hours later and kept working on it. Again, quite admirable. An hour later, the original editor revisited the article and sent ti to "AfD" so its deletion could be discussed[4]. I myself came by 2 1/2 hours after than and began cleaning up the article to make it more presentable... adding a bit of sourcing to show it was not a hoax [5].

I like rescuing articles that others feel are unsalvagable... and am happy to have been able to give your article a better appearance. But unfortunately, and just as you could not, I was unable to find any reviews about the film... or any press articles. Those are the factors by which Wikipedia judges "notability" (See WP:NF for specifics).

But that is also why I opined a temporary delete at the AfD discussion and suggested the article be "userfied" to you in anticipation of its eventual return (seeWP:USERFY for more information). When the film gets more press, the reviews and articles should then be included to show the film's worthiness. Ask questions. ask for help. I'll be glad to assist.

And just so this does not happen again, before an article you are preparing is ready to be set loose, you might consider using a user workspace to put it together at your convenience (seeWP:USERSPACE and WP:SANDBOX for information).

You may create a personal workspace by the same method as creating an articlem except preface the article name with "User:Tim1357/sandbox/". Your sandbox for this film would then be User:Tim1357/sandbox/The Inherited (the redlink turns blue once you start adding content). Ask for input. Ask for help. Many of us here are happy to help. And so please, understand that my delete vote was done with the best of intentions. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 04:50, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

File source problem with File:A Date with Your Family.jpg

File Copyright problem
File Copyright problem

Thanks for uploading File:A Date with Your Family.jpg. I noticed that the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so thecopyright status is unclear. If you did not create this file yourself, you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, then a link to the website from which it was taken, together with a restatement of that website's terms of use of its content, is usually sufficient information. However, if the copyright holder is different from the website's publisher, their copyright should also be acknowledged.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their source and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by followingthis link. Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If the image is copyrighted under a non-free license (per Wikipedia:Fair use) then the image will be deleted 48 hours after 03:37, 12 August 2009 (UTC). If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. ww2censor(talk) 03:37, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

There, does that satisfy the requirements?--Tim1357 (talk) 03:56, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Helpdesk

It appears that a help desk request you submitted has been answered. Please take a moment a view the reply over there - if this doesn't quite help you, please feel free to ask for more information or clarification. Tiggerjay (talk) 05:04, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Please be sure

Before adding {{WP Vermont}} to an article, be sure the article has something to do with Vermont. Just because some thing is on the Connecticut River does not mean it has anything to do with Vermont. - Denimadept (talk) 05:58, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

What are you doing? Alice Lloyd College has nothing to do with Vermont. Nor do many of the articles containing the word "Appalachian" that you've just added.--Rbellin|Talk 06:59, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

  • Yes, please stop adding non-Vermont articles to the Vermont project. Topics like Appalachian Regional Commission and Appalshop have nothing to do with Vermont. If you've started an automated process to make these additions, please stop that process. --Orlady (talk) 12:31, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Film project banner

Thank you for reviewing the articles to see if they still require images or not. One quick request - if the "needs-image" parameter is no, then delete the entire parameter from the banner. Leaving it in recategorizes it to an error-catching category, and ultimately creates more cleanup work for the next editor who will have to delete it instead. Many thanks! Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 16:59, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

My sandbox

{{helpme}} I have created a lot of pages in my sandbox (User:Tim1357/sandbox) so i could get them right before posting them in the mainspace. How do i find all of the pages in this category (Emample User:Tim1357/sandbox/The_Inherited) so i can delete them?--Tim1357 (talk) 03:14, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Click here. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:15, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
So, you do it using Special:Prefixindex.
You can automate it, and put it in a nice format, with code like this;
<div class="infobox">Subpages for this user:{{Special:Prefixindex/User:Tim1357/}}</div>

This produces;

Subpages for this user:

You might want to add that to your talk page.

For more help, you can either;

  • Leave a message on my own talk page; OR
  • Use a {{helpme}} - please create a new section at the end of your own talk page, put {{helpme}}, and ask your question - remember to 'sign' your name by putting ~~~~ at the end; OR
  • Talk to us live, with this or this.

Best wishes,  Chzz  ►  03:20, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

WP:FILMS Welcome

Welcome!

Hey, welcome to WikiProject Films! We're a group of editors working to improve Wikipedia's coverage of films, awards, festivals, filmmaking, and film characters. If you haven't already, please add {{User WikiProject Films}} to your user page.

A few features that you might find helpful:

  • Most of our important discussions about the project itself and its related articles take place on the project's main discussion page; it is highly recommended that you watchlist it.

There is a variety of interesting things to do within the project; you're free to participate however much—or little—you like:

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If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask another fellow member, and we'll be happy to help you. Again, welcome! We look forward to seeing you around! Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk •contrib) 05:17, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for File:Weapons movie poster.jpg

Thanks for uploading or contributing to File:Weapons movie poster.jpg. I notice the file page specifies that the file is being used under fair use but there is not a suitable explanation or rationale as to why each specific use in Wikipedia constitutes fair use. Please go to the file description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'file' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at theMedia copyright questions page. Thank you. Killiondude(talk) 06:26, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for File:Freak Show movie poster.jpg

Thanks for uploading or contributing to File:Freak Show movie poster.jpg. I notice the file page specifies that the file is being used under fair use but there is not a suitable explanation or rationale as to why each specific use in Wikipedia constitutes fair use. Please go to the file description pageand edit it to include a fair use rationale.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'file' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at theMedia copyright questions page. Thank you. Killiondude(talk) 06:28, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Academy Awards

Hello, and welcome to WikiProject Films! I saw your comments at the talk page of the film awards task force, and you probably have seen my own about trying to make the Academy Award pages consistent. I will probably try to design a table in the next week or so to implement across all these pages. Would you be interested in helping me do this? I plan to create a template table which can be copied, and we can use the Oscars database to fill in empty cells. Let me know your thoughts! —Erik (talk • contrib) 11:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Sure! Im somewhat of a newbie, so I'm not sure how much help i can be, but i will certainly try.--Tim1357 (talk) 16:57, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
No problem! We all start somewhere, don't we? I responded at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Films/Film awards task force. —Erik (talk • contrib) 02:23, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Pillar bot framework

Hi Tim. You left me a message a couple of weeks ago about wanting help with my bot code. Sorry for the belated reply -- I've been busy with some real life stuff. If you can clarify what you'd like help with, I'd be delighted to do so. Best wishes, [[User:Sam Korn|Sam Korn]] (smoddy) 16:01, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Your Recent Edits

Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. You may also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you. -FASTILY (TALK) 03:41, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

The Bio-star
For making decent stubs about insects instead of my smelly breath. I dream of horses If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. @ 23:24, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Tineidae

Hello Tim, thumbs up for creating the Tineidae genus pages. Would you be interested in expanding them? There are tons on pages about genera without any useful info. A genus page should at least have some species and the genus authority listed if possible. If you're interested, a good source to start (it's not flawless nor complete) is: http://ftp.funet.fi/index/Tree_of_life/insecta/lepidoptera/ditrysia/tineoidea/tineidae/index.html If you could expand the articles to something like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trapezites that would be great! Ruigeroeland (talk) 08:12, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Heads up on these creations. Spelling is not "refrences", it is "references". Format is also off. LilHelpa (talk) 18:57, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Just needs a line break before ==References== LilHelpa (talk) 19:02, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Also referencing to a wikipedia article is against the guidelines. You should provide WP:Reliable sources, a valid moth database or something.. Himalayan 16:02, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of User Talk" Tim1357/archivelist/2009

Thank you for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and the page that you created has been or soon will be deleted. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. Clubmarx (talk) 16:21, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I think you have a typo? Clubmarx (talk) 16:22, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Stub asorting

Hi. New proposals are to be made at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2009/August. Perhaps you could list there the stub types you want created. Himalayan 21:11, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: A page that needs updating

I'm sorry but I don't have time to update the list at the moment. It used to be updated by my bot. I still have its source code somewhere in case somebody is interested in running it again. It will need minor modifications by somebody who knows basics of programming. Consider disussing it at WikiProject Albums. Jogers (talk) 20:43, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Stub creation

FYI you should probably not commence on another large-scale stub-creation task without filing WP:BRFA. See this discussion which seems to be winding down in favour of requiring this. Note also the stubs you created are inappropriately referenced, a Wikipedia article is not considered a reliable source. –xenotalk 14:20, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Running your bot to add some links

Hi Tim,

thanks for proposing to help here. As I've written on that page, the task was approved on the French WP, although I had to do it manually because I found nobody to run a bot for me. Oh and the controversial stuff about linking bios is over, there's no need to do it anymore. So it would be just about parsing the 2 listes of 20th and 21st century classical composers, check a SOAP web service to see if a link is to be added and do it if needed.

Should I wait for more posts on the Bot requests page or should we propose this on the Requests for bot approval page?--LeMiklos (talk) 08:21, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Films August 2009 Newsletter

The August 2009 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 04:24, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Tischeriidae

Any reason why you created this? It totally lacks context. I know increasing the number articles is more important, but you should include something that makes encyclopedic. We have wikispecies if your interested in building a database instead. Besides that, the one sentence it does have is completely wrong (it's a family, not a genus, you can tell that just by looking at the name). The "reference" is just a link to Coleophoridae again. AWB is for doing tedious and repetitive edits that take little or no user input. Creating articles should never be those things unless you believe in quantity over quality. This site is in desperate need of the latter. Rocket000 (talk) 03:05, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Error 57

You need to check these manually. A proper layout should be this; your edit turns it into this. Ironholds (talk) 03:30, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

No problemo; keep up the good work. The other articles I've seen your work on (Alfred Denning, Baron Denning, for example) have all been improved as a result. Ironholds (talk) 06:15, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Finished. It was an error on my part. I was testing for my bot [6]. I figured it out with xeno, converstation below.Tim1357 (talk) 23:31, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Re:

Hi. As noted at the BRfA, the bot is mostly closed source for a variety of reasons, mostly because it would be useless to anyone except someone running an identical setup to mine, and also because it is filled with crap, because it contains a ton of gunk from back when I was having trouble automating one of the tasks so I just made a macro. It also contains source code which I am currently not allowed to distribute. The only bit I am really willing to release is the resize batch itself for people to use if they wish to make something similar. If your want is to simply get the bot back up and running, I am still making fixes, and should have it up in a few weeks. — neuro(talk) 07:30, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Limits

Was that you in IRC? You need to enable the NoLimitsPlugin (only works for bot and admin accounts) and then use the appropriate option in makelist... –xenotalk 15:45, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Darn, that screws things up a bit. Can you make a list for me then? I need an intersection of A) What Transcludes this page: Template:Infobox officeholder and B) my contributions. I have a false positive that I want to go back and fix. Thank you so much. Tim1357 (talk) 20:17, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
No problem. 30196 uses of that template, email me and I can send it to you as an attachment. –xenotalk 20:55, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
56 intersections
  1. A. Ratnayaka
  2. A.R. Anjan Umma
  3. A.R.M. Abdul Cader
  4. Ahmad Ismail
  5. Albert Joseph Brown
  6. Albert Napier
  7. Alex Salmond
  8. Alexander Leitch, Baron Leitch
  9. Alexander Philip, Lord Philip
  10. Alfred Denning, Baron Denning
  11. Ali Ameer
  12. Ali Mirzad
  13. Aloysius Amwano
  14. Alvaro Antonio
  15. Amirthanathan Adaikalanathan
  16. Andrew McFadyen
  17. Andries Bicker
  18. Andries de Graeff
  19. Anil Karanjai
  20. Anthony McCowan
  21. Antonio de Guill y Gonzaga
  22. Antonio Di Pietro
  23. Antonio Sebastián de Toledo, 2nd Marquis of Mancera
  24. Anwar Ibrahim
  25. Gordon Coates
  26. Gordon O'Connor
  27. Gordon Samuels
  28. Gordon Slynn, Baron Slynn of Hadley
  29. Gordon Smith
  30. Gough Whitlam
  31. Leopoldo O'Donnell, 1st Duke of Tetuan
  32. Les Aspin
  33. Lester B. Pearson
  34. Levi Woodbury
  35. Liam Byrne
  36. Lianne Dalziel
  37. Lim Chong Eu
  38. Lim Guan Eng
  39. Lim Keng Yaik
  40. Lim Kit Siang
  41. Lincoln Alexander
  42. Linda Fabiani
  43. Linda Reid
  44. Lindsay Tanner
  45. Lionel Bowen
  46. Liow Tiong Lai
  47. Lisa Raitt
  48. Oskari Tokoi
  49. Otis Norcross
  50. Rafael Correa
  51. Terence O'Neill, Baron O'Neill of the Maine
  52. Terry Morrow
  53. Thabo Mbeki
  54. Thaddeus M. Buczko
  55. Thaksin Shinawatra
  56. Vladimir Lenin
Note also, you could have run in preparse mode on your own (last x number of contrib) skipping any page that didn't contain "Infobox officeholder". You may also consider having a bot task approved, so you can gain access to the NL plugin =) –xenotalk 20:55, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Yes I considered that, but infobox officeholder has a LOT of redirects. I dont mean to be lazy, but using preparse mode would have taken forever. I am getting a bot account just btw. Its on the approvals page now.Tim1357 (talk) 22:49, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Gotcha. You know you can match multiple criteria by enabling regex and (placing|words|like|so) right? –xenotalk 22:51, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Yes, in-fact i went out and bought a small regex book today. There are 105 diffrent names for this template seen here[7] so you can see why this would be easier. Soon ill have my bot account[8] and i wont have to bother anyone anymore:) Tim1357 (talk) 22:59, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Holy cow! Never mind what I said about preparsing, lol. –xenotalk 23:01, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Work smarter not harder. {{\s*(Infobox[ _]+officeholder|Infobox[ _]+Governor|Infobox[ _]+senator|Infobox[ _]+Mayor|Infobox[ _]+Politician|Infobox[ _]+Chancellor|Infobox[ _]+US[ _]+Chief[ _]+Justice|Infobox[ _]+Vice[ _]+President|Infobox[ _]+US[ _]+Associate[ _]+Justice|Infobox[ _]+Indian[ _]+politician|Infobox[ _]+Congressman|Infobox[ _]+Governor[ _]+General|Infobox[ _]+US[ _]+Cabinet[ _]+official|Infobox[ _]+Prime[ _]+Minister|Infobox[ _]+US[ _]+Territorial[ _]+Governor|Infobox[ _]+Congressional[ _]+Candidate|Infobox[ _]+CanadianMP|Infobox[ _]+Lt[ _]+Governor|Infobox[ _]+Eritrea[ _]+Cabinet[ _]+official|Infobox[ _]+PM|Infobox[ _]+President|Infobox[ _]+CanadianSenator|Infobox[ _]+Governor-General|Infobox[ _]+SCC[ _]+Puisne[ _]+Justice|Infobox[ _]+SCC[ _]+Chief[ _]+Justice|Infobox[ _]+Representative[ _]+Elect|Infobox[ _]+Senator-Elect|Infobox[ _]+Governor-Elect|Infobox[ _]+State[ _]+SC[ _]+Justice|Infobox[ _]+State[ _]+SC[ _]+Associate[ _]+Justice|Infobox[ _]+Politician[ _]+\(general\)|Infobox[ _]+US[ _]+Ambassador|Infobox[ _]+MP|Infobox[ _]+State[ _]+Representative|Infobox[ _]+State[ _]+Senator|Infobox[ _]+Judge|Infobox[ _]+Premier|Infobox[ _]+Secretary-General|Infobox[ _]+Ambassador|Infobox[ _]+President-elect|Infobox[ _]+Prime[ _]+Minister-elect|Infobox[ _]+AM|Infobox[ _]+Speaker|Infobox[ _]+First[ _]+Minister|Infobox[ _]+Minister|Infobox[ _]+Deputy[ _]+Prime[ _]+Minister|Infobox[ _]+Deputy[ _]+First[ _]+Minister|Infobox[ _]+Representative-elect|Infobox[ _]+Senator-elect|Infobox[ _]+Governor-elect|Infobox[ _]+QuebecMNA|Infobox[ _]+MEP|Infobox[ _]+MLA|Infobox[ _]+Congresswoman|Infobox[ _]+Senator|Infobox[ _]+Defense[ _]+Minister|Infobox[ _]+OntarioMPP|Infobox[ _]+Uruguayan[ _]+politician|Infobox[ _]+New[ _]+York[ _]+State[ _]+Senator|Infobox[ _]+First[ _]+Lady|Infobox[ _]+Chief[ _]+Justice|Infobox[ _]+Indian[ _]+government[ _]+official|Infobox[ _]+Doge|Infobox[ _]+MSP|Infobox[ _]+candidate|Infobox[ _]+Officeholder|Infobox[ _]+politician) *([\|}\n]) skip pages containing that lot. Rich Farmbrough, 11:04, 6 September 2009 (UTC).

OKBot

Hello, Tim. I really love bots! But I don't have very much time now for working on them. By the way, my bot didn't resize any image. it just added a resize template for any non-free +500px images. Some users didn't like it, so I stopped it. Anyway, I'll check this issue sometime soon, please reremind me if I forget. Happy Wikipedia editing!--OsamaKReply? on my talk page, please 14:52, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Error 59 in Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha (series)

Hi, your recent edit generated some feedback, so I would like to know your opinion to that... Thanks. ^^ --Koveras ☭ 10:32, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

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Adding blank lines

Just wondered what was the point of adding two blank lines between categories and stub template here? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:10, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

This fix is included in the general fixes that are tied into AWB. It is probably in the Manual of style. If you dont like the fix, or want more information about it id bring it up at Wikipedia Talk:AWB 67.142.130.33 (talk) 11:15, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
It spaces the stubs from trailing nav boxes. Without it they are butted up against one another. There is a request for a CSS fix. Rich Farmbrough, 15:43, 12 September 2009 (UTC).

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Proposed deletion of Phenomenon (software)

The article Phenomenon (software) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

This article is based off of a rumor. Its only refrences are forums. I Created this article before i knew about the policy on rumors.

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{dated prod}} will stop the Proposed Deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The Speedy Deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and Articles for Deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Tim1357 (talk) 18:19, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Brunobot

Hi there Tim. Just letting you know that per your request I have marked this BRfA as withdrawn. Best, - Kingpin13 (talk) 11:19, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Copyright question

{{helpme}} Hey guys, thanks for taking the time to answer my question. I have been trying to use the Randompages to improve articles. One of the first things i do is i google the subject, and I have been finding many pages with the same exact content. How do i know who copied who. How do i tell if the editor was the one who originally wrote the content, or the site owner/ Tim1357 (talk) 00:44, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

That should never be a problem, for two reasons - firstly, the referenced site should be an appropriate reliable source - if you think that it is a tertiary source, such as an encyclopaedia, then you should really look elsewhere for a better source. Secondly, we don't copy things verbatim - instead, we re-phrase and present the facts in our own neutral, encyclopaedic style - we don't copy, we only reference facts and paraphrase. By constructing an article from a number of reliable sources, a new work emerges - though, of course, we don't do original research.
Often, sources on the internet copy from each other, and many times they copy from Wikipedia itself. Such sources should be avoided, because of their self-referential nature.
If you ever have questions about whether or not something is a valid source, you can check by asking on the reliable sources noticeboard.
For more help, you can either;
  • Leave a message on my own talk page; OR
  • Use a {{helpme}} - please create a new section at the end of your own talk page, put {{helpme}}, and ask your question - remember to 'sign' your name by putting ~~~~ at the end; OR
  • Talk to us live, with this or this.
Best wishes,  Chzz  ►  00:51, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

db-nocontext in Newpages patrol

Hi Tim, thanks for helping out at Newpages! Some quick advice: please be careful about applying {{db-nocontext}} to new articles, such as here. That article was quite specific (if confusingly worded) and included an external link that unambiguously identified the context; a quick web search confirms the article's meaning. We don't want to bite the newbies! Cheers, Melchoir (talk) 05:59, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! im just getting into patrolling the new pages.Tim1357 (talk) 16:15, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
That's great, I hope you enjoy it! Melchoir (talk) 18:12, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

What to do...

{{helpme}}

Hey guys, thanks for answering my questions yet again. What do i do in the case of this page?Tim1357 (talk) 21:04, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

The version right now [9] is tagged for a proposed deletion, and if that is not contested, and notability is not established, then it will be removed after 7 days.
I checked on Google, and although there are mentions of the sim, I couldn't see any reviews, newspaper articles or other appropriate reliable sources, so I think that it is not possible to 'fix' the problem (which is always the preferred action, even with an article as poor as this one).  Chzz  ►  21:21, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


Fair use rationale for File:A Bedtime Stroy movie Poster.jpg

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 Done Tim1357 (talk) 00:50, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

re: SDPatrolBot

Hi there Tim, sorry I haven't been running SDPatrolBot for awhile, I rarely run it on Sundays, and on Saturday my computer turned itself off (automatic updates). But it's up and running again now. When I get around to do some more coding for it, I will make so it saves the list of old prods every so often, s that even if it does crash, it won't effect it, and even if a prod is removed while the bot isn't running, the bot will still pick it up (so long as the prod was on the page while the bot was running). By the way, if you do a lot of prodding, you may find WP:Dazzle! a very helpful script. And thanks for the heads up on the bot request, I'll have a look into it, although if ThaddeusB has already offered, I don't want to get in the way :) - Kingpin13 (talk) 09:19, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Spotlight newsletter

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Status on page

Tim,

I was wondering how things were going with this deletion that you started late last week...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mike_Pilat_%28Pilot%29

I tried to follow directions as best I could, please let me know what I can do to get this completed. I appreciate your help.

Thanks, Mike thamike —Preceding undated comment added 01:19, 13 October 2009 (UTC).

Mike, First thanks for your contributions to the encyclopedia, even if they get deleted they are much appreciated. Right now, it seems that nobody has made a comment on the discussion page-about weather or not they want to delete it. The discussion should be closed in a week. As of right now, i have no say in which way the conversation goes. If it does end up being deleted, dont give up! you can request to have it userfied, in which case they will make a copy of the article and give it to you so that you may start the article later if anything changes (ie, new sources). Oh yes, and one more thing, you can sign all of your posts by typing ~~~~. That way it will add a signature when you hit save. Please feel free to either 1) ask me any questions or 2) Copy and paste this: " {{helpme}} " on to your user page, followed by your question. When you use option 2, an knowledgeable editor will come along shortly to answer your questions. Tim1357 (talk) 01:26, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Removal of PROD from Between the screams

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Hey Tim. As I was saying before about SDPatrolBot saving the prodlist, I've just added this function to it this evening. So you should no longer miss notifications when my computer has automatic updates, or the dotnetwikibot fails to load a page history (as it has done this evening). It also means SDPatrolBot will now notify you about prods removed while it wasn't running. But it won't be able to tell you about the prods which are added and removed while it's not running. Hope that all makes sense, if not don't worry, basically it's better :) - Kingpin13 (talk) 20:01, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! thats a really great feature!Tim1357 (talk) 23:31, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

re Thanks

I see you changed your comment to "Keep". It is completely up to you, but you may wish to use <s></s> to strikeout your earlier "delete" comments, above up on the AFD page. Cirt (talk) 01:18, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

 Done Tim1357 (talk) 01:21, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Regex

Tim I would be glad to use the regex, maybe it could also be passed to the AWB developers to consider as a General Fix? I understood there was an issue with the Infobox office holder - is it that some titles are stand-alone and some should be on the same line as the name? Rich Farmbrough, 17:39, 7 October 2009 (UTC).

I was thinking the same thing! I tested the regex a lot (a LOT) and it seems that there are no other problem templates. I did find a problem, however, with {{nihongo}}, and i added it to the "skip if" field. ( I did this because Drilnorth told me to skip bugs more then what seems necessary). Actually, the only problem with the officeholder infoboxes are the honorific prefix parameter. Do you know how to write (in regex) skip if 1) has an officeholder infobox and 2) uses the honorific prefix?

Also, I was wondering why Smackbot dosen't fix duplicate references. Tim1357 (talk) 21:58, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

The reason I mention the infobox is that I can't have SB skipping all the articles with that in so it would have to be driven off the honorific... there is a regex for doesn't match, but I can't remember it offhand - say it is ##

(##honrific prefix) *= *

would then be a help ... or use advanced settings, or be an AWB GF.

SB does fix duplicate refs as far as AWB goes. I.E. not if they are already named differently I think. Rich Farmbrough, 11:07, 8 October 2009 (UTC).

 Done I gave the regex to the AWB team [10] Tim1357 (talk) 00:15, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Copy of Email to User:Cobi

Sorry cobi, I could not get any messages to you before Cluebot III archived them. I have two questions Question Number 1: How is the new Cluebot engine coming along? Crispy does not seem to be very active. Is the project dead? Question Number 2: I have noticed 'Cluebot 5' on some of the vandalism Irc channels. It looks like cluebot is the bot that adds users to the blacklist. I wanted to know if cluebot 5 could add a user to the black list if one of their edits was reverted as vandalism. Ie: look for summaries simalar to this:"(Reverted 1 edit by {username} identified as vandalism to ..." and add {username} to the blacklist. Tim1357 (talk) 02:45, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: AFD talkback

Hi, Tim. Got the AFD closed on the project end, we just need to remove the tags now. This may just be a job for {{helpme}}. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 01:03, 21 October 2009 (UTC) {{helpme}}

Hey Guys, (see above comments). I need someone to roll back all of my edits from the one at 23:04 (The Land That Time Forgot (2009 film)) to the one on 22:43 (King of the Ants). Im not sure how Rollback privelages work but I was under the impression that they could roll back edits in one click. Thanks Tim1357 (talk) 01:10, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Rollback is just a fancy thing for quickly undoing vandalism; that's all; it's really not needed for stuff like this. In 'history', you can click on an old version, and then click (newer) to see the difference between that version and the next edit; at the top-left of that is a link to 'restore this version'.
So, you can do it yourself, if it's appropriate.
I must admit here that, at this stage, I haven't looked into your specific q. - I shall do so now; in the meantime, please come and this or talk to us.  Chzz  ►  01:17, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
P.S. Having read the above...I'm not sure what you want doing...which article, etc. So, please, if you do need help with something, please give more specific details and use another helpme. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  01:20, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
I think you may have mis-understood me. I meant this feature. All admins have it BTW. Tim1357 (talk) 01:21, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Easily fixed :-) Cheers,  Chzz  ►  01:59, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Congrats

on getting rollback, hope you do good things with it!--Coldplay Expert 18:14, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! Tim1357-(what?...ohhh) 02:11, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
For protecting Chris Crocker (Internet celebrity) from vandalism and defamation by anonymous users and single-purpose-account vandals. Bearian (talk) 19:03, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! Tim1357 (talk) 01:24, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Dazzle!

Hi! I noticed that you have Dazzle! installed in your monobook.js page... I'd like to try to keep track of who has it installed, so I was wondering if I could add your name to Wikipedia:Dazzle!#Users... if you'd rather not be listed, I'm OK with that to. I just thought I'd ask. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 02:50, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't use dazzle all that much anymore. I use twinkle when I have to. Sorry. It is a great looking applet though! Tim1357-(what?...ohhh) 02:07, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Okay; thanks. I know it isn't a very complete tool yet; you may want to check back once 1.0 is released. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 20:16, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: Vandalism

You recently reverted something that had been flagged as vandalism on List of Yumeiro Patissiere Episodes. While I appreciate that it is important to ensure that vandalism is dealt with swiftly, had you actually looked at the page in question you would have noticed that my vandalism consisted of improving the quality of the English, adding wikilinks, adding external links (which admittedly probably should have been a set of references but there we go) and adding much needed content to a woefully underdeveloped article. You'll also notice that I explained all of my edits in the discussion page (signed by myself on one occasion and by sine bot on another). I've "deverted" the change and would appreciate that your friendly warning in the future at least explain what the issue was instead of just claiming something was in error.

The person who flagged my edits as vandalism looks like they may have taken the article under their wing as a pet project of sorts. This is an admirable enough thing to do but refusing assistance seems somewhat unwikipedian to me.

I realise that I am not nearly as active in tidying up wikipedia as yourself but when I do anything beyond fixing broken links or grammatical errors I try to always explain myself in the discussion area so that people can a)know what the problem was and b)look out for it if it happens again (assuming it was, indeed, a problem). --Shadebug (talk) 05:30, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Im terribly sorry! There is a certian vandal that has an obcession with pies. My vandal monitoring software flagged your edit as having the word 'I Hate' and when i saw 'Cakes' I immediately thought it was the 'Pie' vandal. I should have definitely look through the entire edit, and I should have caught myself when I saw that you were an experienced editor. In my defense, we (the anti-vandal people) have to look through 100 edits per minute, and quickly revert any of the edits that seem like vandalism. Please do not hesitate to tell me about these things. I need to learn as well. Good luck on your article cleanup! Tim1357-(what?...ohhh) 12:56, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Honestly, I cannot imagine a better explanation than falling foul of a pie vandal. Apology humbly accepted and keep up the good work.--Shadebug (talk) 20:11, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Your Bot Request

Hi there. Just letting you know that I have filed a BRFA regarding your Bot Request. Robert Skyhawk So sue me! (You'll lose) 01:16, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Note that the revised template I created at as a result of the VP discussion is already at {{dead links}}. It has some extra code to handle a |small parameter, and has documentation. I'd like to consolidate this somehow. We should use my newer code, I'm just not sure about the name. I was thinking "dead links" is more consistent with other maint. tag names, but it might be too close to {{dead link}}, which is a completely different template. Any thoughts? Equazcion (talk) 01:30, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Yes that was my thought when i named it "dead link header". And in response to Rob, I was hoping that you could test the RegEx for me, as I have no means to. The regex was given to me and I'm not even sure if it works. Tim1357--(what?...ohhh) 01:37, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
In response to the issues raised at the BRFA, the huge number of pages may be a problem; I can't run the bot 24/7 (in fact it can really only run for ~5 hours a day), so the huge amount of pages would take a lot of time, and could perhaps be better suited for another bot. Plus, I'm not sure that the consensus you got on the Village Pump is significant enough. Worse still, the RegEx is not standing up to the internet tester that I am using, and it's confusing enough that I don't immediately know how to fix it.
This all spells out work that needs to be done before we can run a bot, including an actual list of pages that have dead links, a functional regex and consensus to tag deadlink sections. Because of this, I'm considering withdrawing the request, but I'll wait for your input here. Robert Skyhawk So sue me! (You'll lose) 16:44, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
That seems like a reasonable idea. Thank you for your attempt! I will request more input at the Village pump. Ill try to fix the regex as well. Thank you again!Tim1357 (talk) 23:49, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

(outdent)Ok, I'm withdrawing the request for now, but I would be happy to help you with putting a regex together, or gather consensus for this template. I personally think it's a good idea. Robert Skyhawk So sue me! (You'll lose) 00:39, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

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Halavais edits at internet studies

WP:NPROV

Would you please look in on the edits of Alex Halavais at this article. I am trying to avoid escalation. Wreid (talk) 02:11, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Sure thing. What is the conflict? Tim1357 (talk) 17:21, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
It appears you have an edit war. There is a rule here on wikipedia about not reverting annother user's edits more then three times. It appears you both broke that rule. As for the claim of a NRPOV, you may have to explain to me how Halavis' edits do not have a Neutral Part of View. Tim1357 (talk) 17:27, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
Tim1357, Halavais and I have a long standing personal dispute that has nothing to do with Wikipedia. He has written some very disputable and unkind things about me. I am the founder of The Center for Internet research and He is a VP of The Association of Internet Researchers (AOIR). These are organizations with similar purposes and share participants. We are smaller and less well known than they are. The operable understanding is that we are interested in the same things. I have been simply trying to add a link to our website on the pages "Internet research" and "Internet studies". Each time I add Halavais, or his AOIR colleague Buridan, delete my link. I undo the deletion and they undo me. Recently Halavais has raised the Notability issue as the reason for his deletions. As I read the rule on notability they seem to apply pages and not to a link. That aside, IMHO we meet the requirements of the rule. In the end I assert that the deletions are the result of a personal dispute (NPOV) not a Wikipedia rule issue.
I have not asked that his link be removed because I believe that AOIR is a valuable source and reference. I am trying to add a link to our organizations website because, while we are similar, we are also different in our scholarly point of view. My NPOV complaint is based on his mis-application of the rules and his argument based on notability. I ask you to look at both my websites, the http://tcfir.org/bod.cfm/ board of advisors , the http://tcfir-blog.ning.com/ blog memberhip and consider the issue of "notability" and consider this in the context of allowing a simple link, not a page. IMHO the organizations should both be allowed or we should both be dis-allowed. I would be satisfied with either, but I would prefer that both be allowed, because both are important. In either case an NPOV would not exist.

In another matter, there is a biography of Alex Halavais (Biographies_of_living_persons, section 11, #2) there is a link ("Thaumaturgial Compendium") to his personal blog. My understanding is that blogs as sources cannot be allowed if they contain claims about "third parties". There is such a claim in that blog because it is about me and it is not kind. see: Dr. W. Reid Cornwell

Clearly I am guilty of an "undo war". In my defense, it is partly ignorance and partly frustration. I am asking for a fair application of the rules! Wreid (talk) 20:25, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, this seems like something for the Dispute Resolution Page. In my humble opinion, it seems that both of you have a conflict of interest, and should refrain from editing pages that you have a direct, real-world connection to. But I could be wrong, Im not entirely familiar with this. The message I left on your page a week ago was a standard "section blanking" message. I was not trying to get involved with a dispute that you and this other editor have. I encourage you to go to the Dispute Resolution page and choose an option from there. I will watch-list you both until the matter is settled. Good Luck! Tim1357 (talk) 21:14, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Tim, I agree that both Halavais and I have interests in the outcome. I will take your advice and refrain from editing. The intent of my request was to get advice from someone with a clear head. Mission accomplished! Putting us both on a watch list is clearly fair. I will use WP:DRR thank you Wreid (talk) 01:15, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Tim, thanks for weighing in. Naturally, AoIR members are going to have an interest in the internet studies article, just as ACM members will have an interest in computing articles, or ASA members in sociology articles. As noted on the talk page there, I think that the internet studies article is little more than a link dump right now. It's appropriate to link to associated articles in Wikipedia, Association of Internet Researchers among them. Please note that I never added the AoIR link here, and in fact have removed it from another article, and removed the external link from the internet studies article. I feel strongly that "the center for internet research" has misrepresented itself in other contexts, and Wreid's self promotion here doesn't add to the resource. But I have neither time for nor interest in edit wars, and will mark this up as a case where Wikipedia has done a poor job of "self-correcting." - Halavais (talk) 03:46, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

The operable notion in this rant is "According to Halavais" So Tim, apparently Halavais is abidicating to you and so am I. Oddly, I agree with him in that the page has too many links and too little substance. I suggest deletion of the scholarly organizations list. I suggest if you choose to leave the AOIR link in, you also allow TCFIR. "None or Both" That way neither of us get to self-promote. This has been my position all along.
I can't leave this discussion without noting there is only one of us who has misrepresented themselves in this context and admittedly vandalaized it. That person is not me. Now he bad-mouthes the editing checks and balances when it was that same process that detected his vandalism. Does "bad faith" have meaning here. So what do we do now? I will not dispute removing the "scholarly organizations" section entirely. I will not dispute both AOIR and TCFIR links. I will go to WP:DRR if there is one without the other and that means TCFIR without AoIR a well. Fair is Fair.
I do not abdicate the "Bio of Living persons" WP:BLP dispute and would appreciate help in getting it resolved. Wreid (talk) 21:50, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
So, Here is what I've come to. There is a rule here that there must not be original research. That, in short, means that you cannot add links that you to web pages that you created/had a role in creating. I agree that the page is a bit of a Link Dump, hopefully it can be cleaned up soon. I have tagged it with a template that requests that no more links be added. In addition, please keep your outside conflicts out of your editing. If you feel that you cannot work with a particular editor, either reach a resolution with them, or avoid him/her. I emplore you both to take a break from editing this particular article, and come back when you are less heated about it. Hopefully you find Wikipedia a fair place, and do not hesitate to ask me any more questions. (As a note, I recommended WP:DRR because I am unfamiliar with every policy on wikipedia, thus, I will ask another editor to review this decision) Thank You Tim1357 (talk) 02:27, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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