User talk:Trojani
THE QUESTION OF ILLYRIAN-ALBANIAN CONTINUITY AND ITS POLITICAL TOPICALITY TODAY
Wikifree Facts about ALEXANDER THE GREAT.
Balkan peoples[edit]
There was an common racial feature of old Slavs, old Illyrians/Thracians and old Greeks - all of them originally were people with yellow hair and blue eyes. When Indo-European Greeks, Illyrians and Thracians settled in the Balkans they mixed with descendants of native Pelazgians who had dark hair and dark eyes, so the Illyrians, Thracians and Greeks mentioned in ancient sources were already an large ethnic mix. Later, after Roman conquest these peoples were romanized and were known under name of Vlachs, and after arrival of the Slavs, those Vlachs mixed with Slavs, thus present-day south Slavs are descendants of both, old Slavs and Vlachs (and thus also descendants of old Illirians/Thracians and Pelazgians). Of course, the Slavic racial component among South Slavs is much stronger in the north (Slovenia, Croatia, Vojvodina) than in the south (Bosnia, Montenegro, Central Serbia, Macedonia, Bulgaria), so the genetic research that you saw was simply conducted in the part of Croatia in which population preserved strong Slavic racial feature. PANONIAN 22:17, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Trojani, I must warn you against revert-warring. You obviously have no consensus for your changes at Arvanites and elsewhere. People do get blocked for persistent edit-warring even if they technically remain below the 3RR level for a while. Please don't push it. There is a well-established consensus on that page, arrived at after a huge amount of debate and literature-checking. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:19, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Illyrians[edit]
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Illyrians. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a consensus among editors.
Specifically, you're reverting without any effort at resolving the dispute while inflaming the situation with comments like, "Greeks and serbs should stay away from our history" in your edit summaries. --Ronz 18:39, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Talk pages[edit]
Please refrain from deleting other users' comments from discussion pages, which is considered a form of vandalism. You are not getting anywhere with this style of editing and right now you are working hard towards a block. --Chlämens 19:50, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Your knowledge on Balkan history (to put it politely) its hardly at a level of scientific level. I strongly advice you not to intervene on topics which are to complex/distant for a person from Canada.
One more thing you might ban me but that dosent make wikipedia more reliable source, Bizzare things like Caucasian Albania and their origin to Illyrian Albanians, or Caucasian/Aanatolian origin of Albanians are only a few examples which seem to pass by unnoticed here.Trojani 18:20, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
- You might have noticed that the article dealing with the suppossed caucasian origin of the Albanians makes it clear that there is no basis for that theory, anyone in their right mind can tell that that theory is nonsense. You are trying to kick in an open door here.
- My knowledge of Balkan history and Balkan linguistics is actually probably more extensive than yours; I have actually read the relevant books dealing with the topic, while your grasp on the subject seems to be based on bogus websites and romanticized national epics.
- Right now you are trying to prove that the Albanians are an ancient Balkan people (which no one disputes) by using racial research from the 1930's (!) to support your view that Albanian is a descendant of the Illyrian language; that logic is barely more than a source of amusement so far. Edhe ti duhet do gjesh një arsye më bindës se qe jetoj ne Kanada...sidomos sepse nuk jam nga Kanada dhe kam jetuar ne Shqipëria për tetë vitet; do që te dergoj një foto ku kam veshur kostumi shqiptarë? Diskutoj si i rritur unë, dhe jo me ofendimi dhe akusimi. --Chlämens 03:49, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Mr Chlämens! You really do not understand my point, the Caucasian theory simply do not exist, ther isnt a single source on that, ther isnt a single resercher, ther isnt a single quote which suggest any connection with Albanian of the Balkans, in other words this is how far Greeks and Serbs will go if wikipedia let them run the show. The Caucasian "theory" its a pure invention, worse no one seem to bother, the Concept of Caucasian theory was part of Origin of the Albanian article for over 2 years while people like you and others did not seem to bother, i took that sorry ass of a "theory" out of wikipedia and today simply do not exist.
Ti si albanofon duhet të jesh ma rigoroz ne raport me tentativat antishqiptare qe jane pjese vetepërbërse e Grekve dhe Serbëve (Shkieve). Ju lutem zotri ne Shqipëtaret nuk disponojmë frenesi gjeopolitike, fqinjët tane jane problemi me i madh qe ka sot qënia Shqiptare, dikur kanë qenë Aziatikët Turq sot jane ortodoxët e krisur Greko-sllav. Nuk jam paranoid por pragmatik, ka fakte te mjaftueshme qe mbeshtesin pohimet e mia, nuk ka nevoje per nje diskutim te zgjëruar Përshendetje Trojani 16:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
- The Caucasian article in no way supported the theory that the Albanians are from the Caucasus, on the contrary, it clearly stated that this "theory" is based only on the fact that a place which happens to have the same name existed in the Caucasus and that no one takes it seriously. In other words: that article actually supported your view! Jam kunder te gjithe nacionalistet dhe ekstremistet, pavaresisht si jan greket ose shqiparet. Por per momenti, nuk mund shikoj asnje komplot antishqiptare ketu. --Chlämens 04:32, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Mr. Chlämens!
Answer to Chlämens[edit]
This is the article which is still alive here; "The concept of a Caucasian origin of Albanians was first expounded by Renaissance humanists (such as Enea Silvio Piccolomini) who were familiar with the works of the classical geographers and historians; it was developed in the 1820s by the French diplomat and influential writer on the Balkans, François Pouqueville; and in 1855 it was presented in a polemical response to the work of Johann Georg von Hahn by a Greek doctoral student at Göttingen, Nikolaos Nikokles. By the late 19th century this theory was in retreat." http://www.answers.com/topic/concept-of-a-caucasian-origin-of-albanians
My point is; Ther was no "Renaissance humanists" and ther was no "French diplomat" or a "influential wrighter on the Balkans" or a "Greek student". The story is invented, a pure fiction, why did´t anyone bother to look for this facts and belive me ther was not much debate on the discussion page, no one even thought that it was a bogus story?The member who created the article is today banned (Winona_gone_shopping)
More over look below the map, notice how tha information if manipulated, notice what is wrighten; "Caucasian Albania and the city of Albana (Albanopolis)shown on the map printed in London ca 1770"[1]
Ther is no city of Albana, look at a bigger version of the map: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/1729.jpg
Ther isn´t any city of Albana mr Chlämens, my question to u is: how can this things pass by unnoticed???? Trojani 13:00, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
- There is an area in the Caucasus called Albania, that people have tried to link the Balkan Albanians to it is common sense. --Chlämens 20:50, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Did u even bother to read my message???Trojani 10:39, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- Sure I have. --Chlämens 20:27, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
More re: Talk pages[edit]
Please do not add comments like, "I would like to see less Greeks and Serbs editing/abusing the article of Illyrians (Albanians)" to talk pages [2]. Everyone is invited to edit articles in Wikipedia. See WP:TALK for more information. We have policies and guidelines for addressing biases and disputes. --Ronz 18:31, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- "However you as a Greek have hard time accepting" applies as well. --Ronz 20:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Why is it so hard for you people to understand that wikipedia its not an isolated place where politics dont matter? How many Albanians are editing the Greeks page, what would it happen if we all Albanians,Greeks,Serbs ~engage in editing eachothers article? You have to show 0 tolerans twards this people, regardles of their nationality, if a Serb shows an interest in articles such as Illyrians it only means trouble, the same goes for a Greek or a Mecedonian (such as Edrigu-Half Macedonian half Polish), I stay away from their history whay cant they do the same??????Trojani 18:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- Politics matter. It's just we have policies and guidelines for addressing these biases. We also have policies and guidelines for dealing with incivil behavior. --Ronz 20:06, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- Trojani, please stop it now. Your continued attacks against other contributors on the basis of their nationality ([3]) and your baseless accusations of "vandalism" ([4], [5]) are not going to be tolerated for long. If you continue to disrupt the discussion on the Illyrians article I will ask for a block. Fut.Perf. ☼ 05:50, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Three revert rule block[edit]
This is a slightly longer than normal block because of your aggressive talk page edits which include nationalist insults. Sam Blacketer 11:05, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Sam Blacketer 08:58, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- For renewed block evasion using the IP 84.217.199.106 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), I have reset the block on this account to another week. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:42, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Blocked... again[edit]
Phaedriel - 12:54, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Due to your new attempt to evade your block using 84.217.111.152 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) as seen here, I've reset your block again, this time extending it to 2 weeks. I urge you to reconsider your behavior, as you're rapidly using up all your second chances. Regards, Phaedriel - 00:18, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Mr. Trojani, you have once again tried to evade your block by using IP addresses, this time 84.217.35.43 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), as seen here. For this reason, and for the fourth time, I've had to reset your block and extend it further, now to 6 weeks. I can't emphasize enough that this is you last chance before facing a possible community ban. Furthermore, tho the idea of blocking you indefinitely right now wouldn't be rejected by many, I've decided to grant you this last oportunity to reconsider. I'm sorry, but your behavior is proving disruptive and contrary to the very spirit of our project. Please, think it twice before doing it again. Regards, Phaedriel - 19:39, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
You have been blocked indefinitely[edit]
After your fifth sixth evasion of your block under 84.217.35.43 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) that took place just minutes ago, you have unfortunately worn out your welcome at our project, and hence you have lost your editing privileges. Therefore, it is with sadness that you have been blocked indefinitely from editing Wikipedia. If you wish to contest this block, please post {{unblock}} at this page with a rationale for another admin to review. Regards, Phaedriel - 07:02, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Sockpuppetry case[edit]
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